... what will happen to Clan Crab?

Will the entirety of ? eventually cease to exist? Will their Great Clan Status be taken away? Will the Clan splinter in some way? ???

The majority of its military, led by its Clan leaders, will continue to fight on, I’d guess. But will the loss of the Wall bring enough shame/ridicule/dishonor/etc. onto ? that they would eventually fracture? Will the Emperor take some sort of action against the Clan and ‘strip’ it’s standing within Rokugan? Will Kasada be given gift cards to Home Depot so that he can buy proper materials to fix the Wall in the future?

Thoughts?

(I was rewatching the season ender for GoT and I wondered what would become of the Wildlings after the Wall fell, and decided to post this question)

Generally speaking, I think a lot of that would depend on A) how many actually survive the wall's breach, B) how far/destructive the invasion is after the breach, and C) what precisely the survivors from the wall contribute to stopping/turning back the invasion force.

...and I think that applies to both the Crab and the Wildlings.

I think the cycle is: Breach happens > Empire is kicked into action > Shadowlands repelled > Crab: "We told you so." > Empire: "We should have listened, Crab-sama." > Grim respect for Crab becomes the in thing > Generation dies, fad fades away > "Those brutish Crab, what do they do again?" > Centuries pass > Repeat.

My guess is that they would be dishonored by failing to fulfill their duty (aid from the other clans aside), and be given a new duty of pushing the Shadowlands back as a means of salvaging their status as a Great Clan.

Would the rest of the clans care that it was their fault for not taking the Shadowlands threat seriously? Probably not. Crab clan had one job, and that's all that really matters to everyone else. It's sort of the position the Phoenix are in right now. There's something wrong with the elements, but the Phoenix won't admit it, because even if it's not their fault, it's their one real responsibility.

There has been breaches on the wall in the past, but the Crab managed to repel the invasion, so nothing happened. Now, if the whole wall breaks, that means all the Empire disappears. I’m not sure the combined forces of the rest of the clans (assuming the vast majority of the Crab clan has been destroyed defending the wall) will be enough to stop a Shadowlands Force big enough to break the entire wall, and that’s not counting that the other clans don’t really know how to fight the Shadowlands’ creatures.

Me when the wall falls

"And we would'a gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those dang kids and their dog" -Fu Leng to the Emperor after the Scooby gang stops him after the wall falls

25 minutes ago, kempy said:

Nnnnnoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Bad Kempy. Bad, bad kempy. (I can’t believe you found a card that explicitly restates the title of this thread) ?

2 questions;

-When did the Shadowlands have Titan-sized (hope you get the reference ? ) creatures?

-When did Clan Scorpion ever care enough about the plight of Rokugan to sacrifice their military in order to fight/turn back the hordes of craziness eminating from ‘beyond the Wall’?

Lastly, it’s all up to Phoenix when and if this happens... all the other Clans will be too wrapped up in their own stupidities to form a front against the evils pouring into the realm. ?

26 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

-When did Clan Scorpion ever care enough about the plight of Rokugan to sacrifice their military in order to fight/turn back the hordes of craziness eminating from ‘beyond the Wall’?

I believe it was when the Scorpion got their own Wall to defend. Could be mistaken.

47 minutes ago, Swordbreaker said:

I believe it was when the Scorpion got their own Wall to defend. Could be mistaken.

Exactly.

http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Ki_no_Oni

http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Scorpion_Wall

1 hour ago, LordBlunt said:

(I can’t believe you found a card that explicitly restates the title of this thread  )

I associated it becasue this card was so powerful and well known in Emperor era (and was banned later). But it's still great stuff in Legacy meta (eg. in Modern format).

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=1220,#hashid=154d8db8c4f9d257d67b63a114ee87d4,#cardcount=2

I think this is the correct wall. Wasn't the Scorpion wall put up after the Carpenter Wall got breached for the second time and the 2nd Festering Pit got created? My knowledge of the old lore is spotty at best.

Yeah, rub it in...::sigh:: In the old lore, when the Carpenter wall would fall, the Crab would just build a wall... behind the wall. And destroy connected sections. That's why Hiruma lands are on the bad side of town. E.g. south of the wall IN the Shadowlands.

9 hours ago, Ishi Tonu said:

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=1220,#hashid=154d8db8c4f9d257d67b63a114ee87d4,#cardcount=2

I think this is the correct wall. Wasn't the Scorpion wall put up after the Carpenter Wall got breached for the second time and the 2nd Festering Pit got created? My knowledge of the old lore is spotty at best.

So, funny story, true story in fact. The Carpenter Wall has been breached multiple times in the timeline of the CCG, not including that time the Crab Clan made an alliance with the Shadowlands to conquer the Empire.

The Scorpion Wall was created after the Second Festering Pit was created, in the middle of Yogo lands. Long story short, it was where Fu Leng died a third (and final?) time at the hands of Kali-Ma, then Kali-Ma (then Champion of Jigoku) died at the hands of Daigotsu, who himself had just died and gone to Jigoku with the explicit plan of usurping Kali-Ma’s power with the help of Fu Leng’s death. Daigotsu punched his way out of Jigoku, killed Kali-Ma, and the punches his way back into Jigoku.

So, a combination of demon-gods dying, being created and punching the world caused there to be a new opening to Jigoku in the middle of Scorpion lands.

And no, none of this was decided by player action.

And yes, that actually is the short version of it.

The old lore is weird and full of terrors. I would know. I read all of it.