So.

You are playing a ship, it has the action chain: focus into red boost.

Then you equip engine upgrade, which adds a white boost.

Question: can you do that, or does it require an independent boost to equip EU?

If you do that, will you get a white boost in addition to whatever you might have, or, it turns your boost white? If it does, what happens on your boost with the action chain? Can you do 2 actions and not get stressed?

#AskingTheRealQuestions

Edit: i was mistaken below it exists but not in its old form

There is no Engine upgrade in 2.0

So no?

Edit: if it gives you white boost it does not change your boosts it just gives you the white boost action so would not change the linked actions. so no?

Just now, Icelom said:

There is no Engine upgrade in 2.0

So no?

Eh. Just do your research man.

I'm pretty sure you can do that, but it doesn't change the colour of the linked boost.

The upgrade requires red boost, but it doesn't change the colour of your existing boost, it gives you a new, independent white one, I suspect.

So you can stil do the red one if it's helpful, and it might well give an independent boost to ships that only have boost as a linked action.

1 minute ago, Icelom said:

There is no Engine upgrade in 2.0

So no?

Engine Upgrade exists. It requires red boost, and it gives white boost.

So you can no longer give boost to ships without it, but you can make it better on ships that have it.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

I'm pretty sure you can do that, but it doesn't change the colour of the linked boost.

The upgrade requires red boost, but it doesn't change the colour of your existing boost, it gives you a new, independent white one, I suspect.

So you can stil do the red one if it's helpful.

That is correct. You have a red boost in the chain, and a white boost added to your bar

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

That is correct. You have a red boost in the chain, and a white boost added to your bar

If you listen to Alex at 40 mins in. Millenium Falcon, discussing engine upgrade. The card "turns the red boost white" not, adds a white boost to the bar. I'd be surprised if upgrades , of this type, added anything to the ship rather than changed it.

16 minutes ago, Andyh19 said:

If you listen to Alex at 40 mins in. Millenium Falcon, discussing engine upgrade. The card "turns the red boost white" not, adds a white boost to the bar. I'd be surprised if upgrades , of this type, added anything to the ship rather than changed it.

ehhh, that's probably loose wording. Elsewhere in the game the use of that symbology (an action icon in an action bar on an upgrade) just flat out grants that action to the ship. C.f. Krennic, all turret upgrades.

24 minutes ago, Andyh19 said:

If you listen to Alex at 40 mins in. Millenium Falcon, discussing engine upgrade. The card "turns the red boost white" not, adds a white boost to the bar. I'd be surprised if upgrades , of this type, added anything to the ship rather than changed it.

We’ve seen the card. We know exactly what it does. It’s just short hand to say it changes it because in most cases that is the practical result.

From my understanding Engine Upgrade (like Expert Handling) requires to have a red Boost (Barrel Roll) and turns it into a white action.

36 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

ehhh, that's probably loose wording. Elsewhere in the game the use of that symbology (an action icon in an action bar on an upgrade) just flat out grants that action to the ship. C.f. Krennic, all turret upgrades.

Yep, that's why I said of this type, wasn't including weapons. But in your first post you mentioned you would still have the red boost and could use it if it was beneficial. Forgotten said about having a red symbol in your chain and a white boost added in the bar. My understanding is the same as C3gorach, the red action becomes a white action. You are not adding anything to the bar, you are overwriting the red boost in the chain. If there was a benefit from the red action, you therefore lose that and gain the white action benefits because the red action has been overwritten. Also It's not really to short hand to say it changes because that's the practical result, it's the actual result of the way the card works based on what the designers are saying.

Maybe all this discussion is pointless cause the requisite of "red boost" needs to be a main action instead of chained one? We need rulezzzz

I hope that the Engine Upgrade changes a red boost action white, but won't change a linked red boost white.

The Engine Upgrade card has "Red Boost" as a prerequisite and adds a white boost to the ship.

We don't know if linked boosts count for the prerequisite at this time.

Thank you. I was just about to post the picture myself.

Either way though, that upgrade is adding another action to your bar (using the old parlance), so it isn't going to change a red linked action as they're in a separate action box.

But yeah, in terms of the prerequisite for equipping it that's a bit fuzzy. Is there a ship with a boost only as a linked action?

Edit: Nope, not yet. So that might just be a question for another wave.

I'd be almost certain it won't change the colour of linked boosts. Linked actions are PTL, and EU making it possible to PTL without stress would be super stupid.

10 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd be almost certain it won't change the colour of linked boosts.

Yeah, though I would even remove the 'almost'.

They would have to have completely screwed up their visual design already for that to be the case.

2 hours ago, C3gorach said:

From my understanding Engine Upgrade (like Expert Handling) requires to have a red Boost (Barrel Roll) and turns it into a white action.

Exactly.

Just think about old precidence, guys.

Crits used to say stuff like "treat all turns as red manuevers".

It seems perfectly logical that the card was meant to change a built-in, non-chained RED action into a WHITE action.

Any other interpretation causing additions immediately leads to all kinds of fluffy and unnecessary action bar shenanigans like still choosing to do a red action instead of your special new white one. That doesn't strike me as in line with the trends and focus of 2.0.

I'm no doctor, but I'm gonna assume these upgrades have no bearing on linked action colors. I'd actually assume the opposite:

That NO upgrades or cards can alter the state of an action chain.

If you're a super-awesome named pilot, maybe the devs would bless you with a built-in double white action chain.......but that's the ONLY example I can imagine as likely regarding action chain difficulty.

I hope it doesn’t change a linked red boost into a white boost. And I kind of doubt it does.

Pretty sure the new rules would state something like: ‘upgrades like EU and EH require a lone red action. Linked actions cannot be used to satisfy upgrade requirements’ or some such. Maybe in the future specific linked actions could have upgrades that require, say, an focus and red B-roll action to do something like change the red action to white or use another linked action.

Are there any examples where this question matters?

TIE Bomber and B-Wing: Focus linked to red barrel roll, but also has a white barrel roll.

TIE Interceptors and A-Wing: The linked actions are all in their ship ability text and not on their action bar.

I think it's a good question, but right now either ruling would have minimal effect.

Going by just the engine upgrade card, I'd say it does not turn your red boosts white. It simply adds a white boost to your bar, so those ships still actually have a red boost action as well. It doesnt modify your actions at all, it just has a prereq and adds a white boost action.

The rules aren't going to clarify this as the restriction is from the App. If a ship has a red linked action and the App doesn't let you equip this card, then it doesn't matter how the card works in this situation.

IOW, any ship with a Focus->Red Boost will already have a white boost and, thus, be unable to equip Engine Upgrade.

For there to be a confusion, you would need a ship that has a red boost/barrel roll and also have a linked action into a red boost/barrel roll. I don't think any ships will have this setup.

As written the card adds a white boost, so you could still use the red one if you so desired.

There may be a rule in the rulebook that states if a ship has two copies of the the same action the white overwrites the red but it seems unlikely to me.