as everyone mentioned the only reason I am not buying this is because of it looks, it is the most un-Star Warsy looking ship at the moment. On the other hand I enjoyed the unbalanced Rebel fleets with lack of it in early waves. It was true to the spirit of the movies where Rebel fleet consist of bunch of misfit small and big ships.
If they redesign it or introduce Mk I at some point I will considered using it.
20 minutes ago, LostFleet said:as everyone mentioned the only reason I am not buying this is because of it looks, it is the most un-Star Warsy looking ship at the moment.
A lot of us probably agree with you, but have fond memories from using it in Empire at War. Definitely a good ship if you can get past the looks.
1 hour ago, LostFleet said:as everyone mentioned the only reason I am not buying this is because of it looks, it is the most un-Star Warsy looking ship at the moment. On the other hand I enjoyed the unbalanced Rebel fleets with lack of it in early waves. It was true to the spirit of the movies where Rebel fleet consist of bunch of misfit small and big ships.
If they redesign it or introduce Mk I at some point I will considered using it.
So what makes the Mk I more star wars looking?
Damnit i really dont get the hate for the looks of it, i really love it. Its actually one of my fav ships in the game and i think its VERY star wars looking. I mean its partly build by mon cal engineers so it basically is a typical mon cal shape combined with the neb b extender and some fancy fins. I really LIKE IT.
You just have to repaint it because the wash is pretty bad on it, but thats a problem a lot of the early wave 1 prints have.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IHwrIQMRLUCcHelspI2hGdaoGR0dujnt/view?usp=drivesdk
What I think is brilliant about the Assault Frigate Mk. II is that while yes it is a jack-of-all-traits, it has flexibility to be modified around whatever your fleet build necessitates.
9 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:So what makes the Mk I more star wars looking?
The ship. The mk1 looks like it belongs on the table with other ships from the movies, especially the mk1 from Mel's miniatures, while the mk2 looks like someone brought a toy from some other game, and plopped it down beside a bunch of Star Wars miniatures.
11 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:So what makes the Mk I more star wars looking?
Well coastcityo explained it for me
2 hours ago, coastcityo said:The ship. The mk1 looks like it belongs on the table with other ships from the movies, especially the mk1 from Mel's miniatures, while the mk2 looks like someone brought a toy from som e other game, and plopped it down beside a bunch of Star Wars miniatures.
Also I really like its history where it is a Dreadnough from Republic era ( EU ) and Rebels stripped and automized it to make it a more efficient ship.
However as coastcityo said, it fits in with other ships on the board. Mark II looks more like a Reavers ship from Firefly series.
12 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:A lot of us probably agree with you, but have fond memories from using it in Empire at War. Definitely a good ship if you can get past the looks.
I have nothing against the capabilities of the ship however I have never played Empire at War so I dont have any connection to the ship. For Mark I, I played in Rebellion and thats how I am familiar with it.
3 minutes ago, LostFleet said:I have nothing against the capabilities of the ship however I have never played Empire at War so I dont have any connection to the ship. For Mark I, I played in Rebellion and thats how I am familiar with it.
I highly recommend giving Empire at War a chance. Pretty cheap on Steam, especially if you get it as part of the Star Wars bundle. Great game with amazing ship and squadron battles, not to mention a great galactic conquest-mode.
3 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:I highly recommend giving Empire at War a chance. Pretty cheap on Steam, especially if you get it as part of the Star Wars bundle. Great game with amazing ship and squadron battles, not to mention a great galactic conquest-mode.
Suprisingly I never played it, from time to time I still play Rebellion but I guess it is time to move on to newer games ?
I think I may have liked this ship if it didn’t look like a gundam has a baby with a potato. At this point I can’t remember if I’ve played with it in The last year. Stats wise it always screamed jack-of-all-trades, which should be good in a fleet designed around most ships trying to be j ack- of- all- trades. But it is so lackluster-of-all-trades that I just stopped using it. I personally found GH-Yav 2-3 to be inferior to Defiant-Yav 2-2 for my playstyle so I couldn’t even like it for that.
Dont like the gundam/potato comment? How about it looks like the Hindenburg got stuck in one of the anomalies from Primeval and the designer said “**** it, print that.”
I understand and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that good looks are only skin deep, but this ship is ugly to the bone. And not the awesome tough ugly like an A-10 Warthog. Just... ugly.
Edited by Church1453 minutes ago, LostFleet said:Suprisingly I never played it, from time to time I still play Rebellion but I guess it is time to move on to newer games ?
One game on skirmish mode and you’ll be hooked. Still need to play Revellion though, even though it’s more than a little dated...
It's Jack of all trades until you design it to focus on one of those. Want a carrier? Shove Gallant Haven and Flight Controllers on it. Want a death dealer? Caitken and Shollan and Ackbar. Want a different death dealer? Sato and OE.
If you shove a squillion upgrades on the thing, yeah it's a worse MC80/MC75. Keep it cheap and it'll serve you quite well.
As for your aesthetics, well, I can't force you to like it, but I can tell you it's a great support ship for your plans.
Don't listen to the bad people, AF2! You're beautiful and you know it! They're just a bunch of meanies, and they're wrong! I love you, AF2!
*cuddles AF2, softly humming that Titanium song*
This has all been said before, but one of the reasons I don’t like the design aesthetics is that single puny engine bell. You expect me to believe that will push that ship to speed 3? I think not.
So I added a few thrusters. I can at least believe speed 3 is attainable now. But I still prefer using Mel’s AF Mk 1 model in casual games...
https://imgur.com/gallery/zMCyHmE
I find with aesthetics, if the first time you encounter a ship (or alien or whatever) is in it's miniature form, your response is often "What the heck is that? That's not Star Wars!"
But if the first time you encounter it is in a game, comic, TV show or some other 'canon' source (and I use the term loosely since the old EU was decanonised) then when you find it as a miniature it's a source of joy and nostalgia. The AFMK II were a hardy little ship that was important as a rebel player in Empire at War, so seeing them on the tabletop is cool, for me anyway.
23 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:A lot of us probably agree with you, but have fond memories from using it in Empire at War. Definitely a good ship if you can get past the looks.
Even in Empire at War I did not use it, not because of looks there but to me it just was not enough better than the Nebulan-B to justify the extra cost.
I never had a problem churning out credits, so cost was rarely an issue. The only problem I had with that game was the ground battles. Could never get the hang of them. I could play the space battles all day, but the ground battles were painful.
32 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:I never had a problem churning out credits, so cost was rarely an issue. The only problem I had with that game was the ground battles. Could never get the hang of them. I could play the space battles all day, but the ground battles were painful.
Yeah, I didn't care for the ground battles either. So long as there wasn't an enemy hero on the ground, I always auto-calc'd it (because C-3P0 and R2 would somehow always crush my ground forces without my direction).
On May 21, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Chucknuckle said:I find with aesthetics, if the first time you encounter a ship (or alien or whatever) is in it's miniature form, your response is often "What the heck is that? That's not Star Wars!"
But if the first time you encounter it is in a game, comic, TV show or some other 'canon' source (and I use the term loosely since the old EU was decanonised) then when you find it as a miniature it's a source of joy and nostalgia. The AFMK II were a hardy little ship that was important as a rebel player in Empire at War, so seeing them on the tabletop is cool, for me anyway.
To be honest, my first visual encounter with either version of the Assault Frigate was in miniature form. I never played the video game, so had no connection whatever to the Space Guppy, and the mk1 was only presented to me in text by Timothy Zahn until I started seeing them from Shapeways. So, it's not that I had a connection to one over the other, I simply saw the mk1 and thought "that looks like a Star Wars ship" instead of seeing the mk2 and thinking "why does it look so fat and short?"
On 5/20/2018 at 10:14 PM, LostFleet said:as everyone mentioned the only reason I am not buying this is because of it looks, it is the most un-Star Warsy looking ship at the moment. On the other hand I enjoyed the unbalanced Rebel fleets with lack of it in early waves. It was true to the spirit of the movies where Rebel fleet consist of bunch of misfit small and big ships.
If they redesign it or introduce Mk I at some point I will considered using it.
Mel's... There you go.... I run two different variants, but this one's painted... just a side note, look how well Mel's bridge and guns fit... really is a nice mod kit
On 5/21/2018 at 7:42 PM, Maturin said:This has all been said before, but one of the reasons I don’t like the design aesthetics is that single puny engine bell. You expect me to believe that will push that ship to speed 3? I think not.
So I added a few thrusters. I can at least believe speed 3 is attainable now. But I still prefer using Mel’s AF Mk 1 model in casual games...
https://imgur.com/gallery/zMCyHmE
I don’t hate the ship, but like you said that single bell just does not look right. I like seeing retrofits like this that make it look Space worthy.
40 minutes ago, Lobokai said:Mel's... There you go.... I run two different variants, but this one's painted... just a side note, look how well Mel's bridge and guns fit ... really is a nice mod kit
It does look good, nice
is that a modified Dreadnought?
5 minutes ago, LostFleet said:It does look good, nice
Yep, canon-wise what the original Assault frigates all were to my knowledge.
On 5/21/2018 at 10:01 AM, Admiral Calkins said:I highly recommend giving Empire at War a chance. Pretty cheap on Steam, especially if you get it as part of the Star Wars bundle. Great game with amazing ship and squadron battles, not to mention a great galactic conquest-mode.
I can second this! I've got over a thousand hours on the game, and it still doesn't get dull. I do recommend checking out some of the mods, after you get your fill of the vanilla game. Try Thrawn's Revenge, if you're a fan of the Legends EU.
On 5/21/2018 at 5:11 AM, XR8rGREAT said:It was the thing I bought for Armada ive used it a lot. As they say its not the looks Its how you use it.
That's lucky for these ugly orcas.