Listened to this week’s Mynocks, and they were saying something about only the ships that had been released as ships in 2.0 would be legal for OP and the conversion kits were just for funsies as we wait for re-releases.

Where did they hear this? Did I miss a stream somewhere? Are we really doing a phased back release so you can own dozens of ships but still can’t use them most of the time until ffg catches up putting them in the black packaging and selling us more card packs?

Or is this just more podcast speculation.

This isn't all speculation. The devs did say in the streams that OP will have multiple formats for 2.0, one where all converted ships are legal and another one for 2.0 re-released ships only. The reason to have the limited format is to have an even playing field to brand new players. A new player won't have a large collection and would be left behind.

However, what is unclear is how often each of these style events will be held.

Personally, I can't wait to go back in time a bit and play in the wave 1 only wholesomeness. My tie swarm is quite happy about it.

9 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Listened to this week’s Mynocks, and they were saying something about only the ships that had been released as ships in 2.0 would be legal for OP and the conversion kits were just for funsies as we wait for re-releases.

Where did they hear this? Did I miss a stream somewhere? Are we really doing a phased back release so you can own dozens of ships but still can’t use them most of the time until ffg catches up putting them in the black packaging and selling us more card packs?

Or is this just more podcast speculation.

FFG said there will be a number of events at release with a restricted ship pool to not overwhelm new players, but no overall soft-ban until ships are rereleased.

3 minutes ago, Innese said:

FFG said there will be a number of events at release with a restricted ship pool to not overwhelm new players, but no overall soft-ban until ships are rereleased.

I believe this is the correct read. That you can use your converted ships but only from that limited pool of ships and upgrades.

It's a bit of both.

On the one hand yes, there will be limited formats, including official FFGOP ones, where only ships released in full in the 2e release cycle will be legal, and there will be other events where anything 2e legal released is fine.

Some of it's just salt, speculation, and misinformation.

11 minutes ago, Innese said:

FFG said there will be a number of events at release with a restricted ship pool to not overwhelm new players, but no overall soft-ban until ships are rereleased.

This I would be ok with - different formats is fine, including different OP formats.

I will admit to becoming pretty salty if the majority of events or especially Adepticon 2019 System Open is limited to only that which has been released in 2.0 expansion boxes. The point of conversion kits was we could keep playing with our ships.

I'd be fairly surprised if anything System Open and above was wholly limited. The vast majority of players who go to any of the really big events are not brand new players.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if instead of offering one giant free for all at big events (particularly in hangar bays and side events) going forward, they instead offer a number of smaller events with a range of formats to suit more tastes and collections.

It’s gonna be fun either way.

From what I remember from the tone of the OP guys in the announcement panel, it sounded like the top-level tourneys would be fully open and it would be the intro tournaments (so I guess kit tourneys) that are comped for new players to be on a more even playing field.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd be fairly surprised if anything System Open and above was wholly limited. The vast majority of players who go to any of the really big events are not brand new players.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if instead of offering one giant free for all at big events (particularly in hangar bays and side events) going forward, they instead offer a number of smaller events with a range of formats to suit more tastes and collections.

I hope its this, like Destiny, they offer different events for different release pools.

Worth noting as well that the evs did say they were planning on getting all the existing ships released for 2nd Edition ASAFP. We could well see 3 to 4 2nd Edition waves on the shelves before Christmas. At least.

I wonder if the restricted Wave I events will allow the U-wing or the TIE Reaper.

I would imagine so. They're 2e releases that are out at that time. I suspect that's the defining factor.

What I really wonder is if the reaper and saw will be repacked once 2e drops.

2 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

This I would be ok with - different formats is fine, including different OP formats.

I will admit to becoming pretty salty if the majority of events or especially Adepticon 2019 System Open is limited to only that which has been released in 2.0 expansion boxes. The point of conversion kits was we could keep playing with our ships.

I don't think you're alone, and I suspect locally that events which are only for 2.0 Re-Released ships will generally be duds. It's a nice in-theory way to get new players an easier point of entry, but I think it's a very open question as to just how many new players 2.0 will actually bring into the fold.

I think this will just divide the community. All the old guard who were playing in 1.0 will mostly only attend the "Conversion Kits" events or whatever where newbies will be afraid to tread, while on the other hand the 2.0 Re-Release events will likely only have a handful of newbies with most old guard having priorities their time for the Conversion Kit events. Of course there will be some cross-pollination, but it seems like it might just in effect segregate the X-Wing community.

Personally speaking, I'll likely skip the 2.0 ReRelease Events. I played back in Wave 1, I remember the tedium that was a bunch of Howl Swarm vs Howl Swarm mirror matches and Howl Swarm vs X-Wings/Y-Wings. Even if the game is radically more balanced now (e.g. TIE Swarm won't always obliterate Rebel salad) it's still likely just a big joust fest where both squads basically just fly right at one another and roll dice.

I’m not saying I have any concrete information, but I am entirely not convinced the large OP events are going to focus on the larger conversion kit card pool. Every discussion on it seems to dodge the real question of “what is going to be THEE standard format?”. The dodgy answers usually come out like “there will be something for everyone!” or “I kind of like the idea of only using the smaller card pool, don’t you?”.

That doesn’t give me a ton of confidence either way. Even if they do do the format a and format b thing, I’m not sure that’s going to be lovely either as it will split the player base, unless they are able to do it eloquently enough to allow players to play both formats without time restraint/overlap issues.

1 hour ago, Kdubb said:

I’m not saying I have any concrete information, but I am entirely not convinced the large OP events are going to focus on the larger conversion kit card pool. Every discussion on it seems to dodge the real question of “what is going to be THEE standard format?”. The dodgy answers usually come out like “there will be something for everyone!” or “I kind of like the idea of only using the smaller card pool, don’t you?”.

That doesn’t give me a ton of confidence either way. Even if they do do the format a and format b thing, I’m not sure that’s going to be lovely either as it will split the player base, unless they are able to do it eloquently enough to allow players to play both formats without time restraint/overlap issues.

For the sake of having new players enter the game, I hope the "standard" premier format is only what has been officially re-released in 2.0 expansion packs.

It would legit be burdensome to a incoming player to have to go buy a 1.0 expansion pack + a conversion kit to play a list. But if they can just pick up whatever has been re-released in 2.0 expansion packs, because that's what's 'standard' tournament legal, that's awesome.

Also, i'm actually pretty excited at the prospect of having a more limited ship pool for awhile for premier events - so I'm a little biased/selfish on this one, but definitely the new players thing too.

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I don't think you're alone, and I suspect locally that events which are only for 2.0 Re-Released ships will generally be duds. It's a nice in-theory way to get new players an easier point of entry, but I think it's a very open question as to just how many new players 2.0 will actually bring into the fold.

I think this will just divide the community. All the old guard who were playing in 1.0 will mostly only attend the "Conversion Kits" events or whatever where newbies will be afraid to tread, while on the other hand the 2.0 Re-Release events will likely only have a handful of newbies with most old guard having priorities their time for the Conversion Kit events. Of course there will be some cross-pollination, but it seems like it might just in effect segregate the X-Wing community.

Personally speaking, I'll likely skip the 2.0 ReRelease Events. I played back in Wave 1, I remember the tedium that was a bunch of Howl Swarm vs Howl Swarm mirror matches and Howl Swarm vs X-Wings/Y-Wings. Even if the game is radically more balanced now (e.g. TIE Swarm won't always obliterate Rebel salad) it's still likely just a big joust fest where both squads basically just fly right at one another and roll dice.

I 100% disagree,

I am looking forward to both formats, it's going to be fun to play in a fully open tournament and really fun to play with just the 2.0 released ships.

My guess is the 2.0 content only tournaments will be a much bigger draw at least locally even from the "old guard" its fun to have all your ships but it's also fun to force yourself out of your comfort zone and fly something else.

I think "big joust fest" is over even in a pure 2.0 environment the new x-wing can move around the board if it wants to, clumping up your forces in a clump to charge the enemy is going to be 100% loss vs the scum lists that will be out there. This is not 1.0 to expect it to play like 1.0 is a mistake. To be good with a tie swarm, you are going to have to know how to fly them out of formation and in formation, you cant just point at the enemy and go straight at them (boba fet is going to eat you alive). The tie reaper and u-wing also bring a lot more diversity to the party.

5 minutes ago, Icelom said:

I 100% disagree,

I am looking forward to both formats, it's going to be fun to play in a fully open tournament and really fun to play with just the 2.0 released ships.

My guess is the 2.0 content only tournaments will be a much bigger draw at least locally even from the "old guard" its fun to have all your ships but it's also fun to force yourself out of your comfort zone and fly something else.

I think "big joust fest" is over even in a pure 2.0 environment the new x-wing can move around the board if it wants to, clumping up your forces in a clump to charge the enemy is going to be 100% loss vs the scum lists that will be out there. This is not 1.0 to expect it to play like 1.0 is a mistake. To be good with a tie swarm, you are going to have to know how to fly them out of formation and in formation, you cant just point at the enemy and go straight at them (boba fet is going to eat you alive). The tie reaper and u-wing also bring a lot more diversity to the party.

Time will tell.

It'll be more interesting to see if Regionals/Nationals/Worlds/SystemOpens use the Converstion Kit content or only the released 2.0 content. Whatever FFG does about events at the Store Champ and on up level will become the "community standard," as everyone will want to be practicing for those venues. If those venues use only 2.0 released ships (as I suspect they will), then expect the "conversion kit" format to basically dry up, since the old guard competitive players will focus almost exclusively on the format that is relevant to the tournament series.

I will be playing the release tournaments because if I wanted to play a *********** I’d have played 1.0. Think about this too, how fast will ffg be to balance 40 ships interacting together or 6? Hmm, yeah the assumption they will focus on unlimited play is probably not likely. The biggest reason being, if you wait long enough limited becomes unlimited.

Also don’t expect break neck speeds on these releases. How many people raged when they just shoveled stuff down our throats. Yes converts don’t care but a newbie, and this is exactly what they want, will be crazy overwhelmed to buy a stack of stuff at inflated prices. Yeah I’m not seeing 2.0 going the route old competitors want. It’s a fresh start and catering to existing customers is just dumb frankly. They have our money they want new money.

2 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Time will tell.

It'll be more interesting to see if Regionals/Nationals/Worlds/SystemOpens use the Converstion Kit content or only the released 2.0 content. I suspect it'll be only the 2.0 Released content.

Whatever FFG does about events at Regionals or Larger will become the "community standard," as everyone will want to be practicing for those venues. If Store Champs and on up will be only officially released 2.0 ships, then expect the "conversion kit" format to basically dry up, since the old guard competitive players will focus almost exclusively on that format.

I play in lots of events...

But I play in tons of fun random home games as well.

I guess I am just not concerned as all my ships will be played lots no matter the format. There is a part of me that hopes the kit and up events will be 2.0 release content only just to make it easier for new people to get in, I still get to have fun at those events and play all my old stuff all I want at home until its re-released.

With the game completely redone there is going to be a lot to take in and learn and it might be better to limit the competitive environment for a while so people are not hit in the face with tons of different combinations and mechanic interactions they have yet to learn about.

I guess what I am saying is either way I would be happy. I think at least some people feel as I do.

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

What I really wonder is if the reaper and saw will be repacked once 2e drops.

I believe they are considered Wave 0. They're coming with both 1e & 2e content.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Personally speaking, I'll likely skip the 2.0 ReRelease Events. I played back in Wave 1, I remember the tedium that was a bunch of Howl Swarm vs Howl Swarm mirror matches and Howl Swarm vs X-Wings/Y-Wings. Even if the game is radically more balanced now (e.g. TIE Swarm won't always obliterate Rebel salad) it's still likely just a big joust fest where both squads basically just fly right at one another and roll dice.

In that case, Scum will mop up.

18 minutes ago, Icelom said:

My guess is the 2.0 content only tournaments will be a much bigger draw at least locally even from the "old guard" its fun to have all your ships but it's also fun to force yourself out of your comfort zone and fly something else.

I think "big joust fest" is over even in a pure 2.0 environment the new x-wing can move around the board if it wants to, clumping up your forces in a clump to charge the enemy is going to be 100% loss vs the scum lists that will be out there. This is not 1.0 to expect it to play like 1.0 is a mistake. To be good with a tie swarm, you are going to have to know how to fly them out of formation and in formation, you cant just point at the enemy and go straight at them (boba fet is going to eat you alive). The tie reaper and u-wing also bring a lot more diversity to the party.

I can't wait. I wasn't in OP when this first released. I only got into the game in earnest when Scum was released. Although I will definitely being flying Scum for "serious tournaments," for casual tournaments I want to try running TIE Swarm. I have the TIEs, but have never done it. Should be hilarious to watch my first match or two with them.

Yes. I am aware I will need 2 Empire C-Kits. My collection demands 2 for Rebel and 2 for Scum as well.

While I would be excited to play in both formats, there is a sort of excitement in the idea of everything being legal at the highest competitive level. The mass chaos that first month or so when everyone is bringing original lists of all variates would be awesome to participate in and follow. I know my mind would just be flooded with excitement at that first big event.

“Wow that guys flying Deci Soontir! And look! A straight up Tie swarm over there! Is that Biggs walking the dogs?? Lots of throwbacks! What is that?? 3 Quadjumpers and a Shadowcaster?! Oh man, look at this dude! 3 Tie Phantoms! Is that a misthunter supporting a scyk swarm?? Never thought I’d see the day!!! WHAT?!! Tie Punishers and Tie Bomber thematic list at a tournament? And that guys a serious player!!!”

*head explodes*

Idk if it'll be a consistent format

Way FFG presented it, wave 1 only format is just to build hype for new players that won't have access to conversion kit material. Sounds temporary

Of course, once the app rolls out your local group can place whatever restrictions they want on list building for themed tournaments

At least according to the 2.0 faq