30 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

That and how very clearly it was a case of a 'Yes And' story and when it got to Rian instead of continuing with the story he just completely went his own way making the film feel nothing like a middle chapter. Really, I wouldn't even be surprised if the boy from the end ends up being the main character of his trilogy if he still gets it.

This is my biggest issue with the ST. Ive enjoyed both movies as movies, despite flaws, but from what I’ve seen/read, there’s NO overall plan for the trilogy. How do you spend billions of dollars on a franchise, decide to make a new trilogy, and NOT plan out the main points of the story and just let each director do whatever?

Double post

Triple fail

2 hours ago, Schu81 said:

Star Wars should be for the fans, who have kept this whole thing alive for almost 40 years now.

41 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I call BS on this entitlement.

What's wrong with you?

My statement was clearly PRO all the people who put passion and love into whole universe, which includes everyone on this board for example.

You call that "BS entitlement"? You should be applauding to that. It would be for a greater good, for a large community of millions of people. But you've literally called that entitlement. Shame on you.

1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:

This is my biggest issue with the ST. Ive enjoyed both movies as movies, despite flaws, but from what I’ve seen/read, there’s NO overall plan for the trilogy. How do you spend billions of dollars on a franchise, decide to make a new trilogy, and NOT plan out the main points of the story and just let each director do whatever?

Rian Johnson has said that in interviews that he was allowed to do pretty much whatever he wanted for the film, yet shortly after the complaints started filing in after the film came out Daisy Ridley came out saying how JJ had a plan for the trilogy that was written out that Rian threw out, so take that for what you will. What we do know is that JJ wanted Luke using the force at the end of TFA, with him levitating boulders to show how he had advanced from ESB but Rian wanted Luke to have closed himself off from the force so that was changed to what we got. And, Collin Trevorrow, based off comments that Mark has said was going to heavily feature and use Luke in episode 9, but because of Rian's film obviously wanting to kill him off that become a major point of contention that led to him walking away. Granted that last bit is more based in rumors than the other points.

9 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

This  is my biggest issue with the ST. Ive enjoyed both movies as movies, despite flaws, but from what I’ve seen/read, there’s NO overall plan for the trilogy. How do you spe  nd billions of dollars on a franchise, decide to make a new trilogy, and NOT plan out the main points of the story an  d just let each director do whatever? 

Worked for the OT.

11 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Rian Johnson has said that in interviews that he was allowed to do pretty much whatever he wanted for the film, yet shortly after the complaints started filing in after the film came out Daisy Ridley came out saying how JJ had a plan for the trilogy that was written out that Rian threw out, so take that for what you will. What we do know is that JJ wanted Luke using the force at the end of TFA, with him levitating boulders to show how he had advanced from ESB but Rian wanted Luke to have closed himself off from the force so that was changed to what we got. And, Collin Trevorrow, based off comments that Mark has said was going to heavily feature and use Luke in episode 9, but because of Rian's film obviously wanting to kill him off that become a major point of contention that led to him walking away. Granted that last bit is more based in rumors than the other points.

This is the problem. Even if JJ had a plan, that doesn’t do any good when he’s. It in charge of the whole trilogy. Disney should have had a plan and given the directors freedom how to tell the story “within that framework”.

6 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Worked for the OT.

The OT has Lucas behind the whole thing. And no one had spent billions to buy it before making em.

8 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Worked for the OT.

OT was new and there weren't years of material preceding it; ST is part of a saga.

9 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Worked for the OT.

Well, the OT also had a pretty clear end goal line for a happy end. You have a small rebellion vs a large evil empire, the run through end to that is the good guys winning and toppling the empire. Guess what, we got that. Lucas then scripted out a whole plot line for the PT and shows the fall of a Republic. I still question where the ST wants to go, I remember coming out of TLJ and going "Well, I have no idea how they plan to end this cleanly as a trilogy." They have two choices now, technically three, they topple the FO in the next film, they say screw clean trilogies and instead plan to do a longer running film series or the odd choice would be submitting and joining the FO for the sake of peace in the galaxy at a cost.

1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:

This is the problem. Even if JJ had a plan, that doesn’t do any good when he’s. It in charge of the whole trilogy. Disney should have had a plan and given the directors freedom how to tell the story “within that framework”.

If only someone gave them a story treatment and layout for a sequel trilogy, oh wait...Lucas did.

Just now, Animewarsdude said:

If only someone gave them a story treatment and layout for a sequel trilogy, oh wait...Lucas did.

Has he "leaked" that treatment or whatever exists of that yet? Has anyone tried to piece it together from various interviews and such?

19 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Has he "leaked" that treatment or whatever exists of that yet? Has anyone tried to piece it together from various interviews and such?

Pretty sure Lucas can't due to NDA's; afaik he hasn't said anything concrete about it.

50 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

What's wrong with you?

My statement was clearly PRO all the people who put passion and love into whole universe, which includes everyone on this board for example.

You call that "BS entitlement"? You should be applauding to that. It would be for a greater good, for a large community of millions of people. But you've literally called that entitlement. Shame on you.

Aaaaaand another one for the ignore list.

25 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

The OT  has Lucas behind the whole thing. And no one had spent  bill  ions to buy it before m  aking em.

George DIRECTED ANH. Others directed the rest of the trilogy. There was no plan other than make as many movies as possible. Hence you get Return to Tatooine and a literal Death Star 2. And why bring up what Disney paid for a 35 year old franchise? They got it for a steal, loose change for the Mouse. Fox spent 10s of millions on each OT movie and 100s of millions on the PT, and the latter had George in complete control and with a plan he had been writing for decades. How did that trilogy turn out?

24 minutes ago, impspy said:

OT was  new and ther  e weren't years of material preceding it; ST is part of a saga.

Actually....the seemingly endless rewrites of the ANH script left George with ideas for multiple movies but not an actual trilogy, just ideas and dressings that gave the illusion of a rich background. A happy accident. And he didn’t have the legacy that Disney is burdened with when making that first movie. He didn’t even have to worry about planning more movies in the series, just make enough money for another movie down the road like Willow or Red Wings or something. But The ST directors have it much much worse. 4 decades of lore that is mostly mediocre, fan expectations and a broken base that will hate you no matter what. Even when you make a plan for a new trilogy you might be forced to abandon it thanks to weird audience expectations because ‘the first one was just a copy of ANH’ so the second one better be different! Thanks a lot TFA haters, YOU are responsible for TLJ.

(wait, is that an example of blaming the victim?)

55 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

You call that "BS entitlement"? You should be applauding to that. It would be for a greater good

This thread has become HILARIOUS. If the Solo movie is half as entertaining as this, it's money well spent!

4 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

This thread has become HILARIOUS. If the Solo movie is half as entertaining as this, it's money well spent!

But.....it’s not just a forum, it’s a battle! We are fighting for the very soul of SW! Right?

oh wait. Wasn’t there something about a miniatures game in there?

Just now, GrimmyV said:

But.....it’s not just a forum, it’s a battle! We are fighting for the very soul of SW! Right?

oh wait. Wasn’t there something about a miniatures game in there?

Between Star Wars, Star Trek, and Ghostbusters, I just sit back and enjoy the show as a fandom attacks each other like a zombie outbreak at a fat camp. In the end, no one gives a flip about the other person's opinion unless asked and less so when its presented as hard facts.

I'm glad the initial reviews have been pretty positive as, in my opinion, the trailers have made the film look fun!

And no one should care about that previous statement.

6 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

But.....it’s not just a forum, it’s a battle! We are fighting for the very soul of SW! Right?

oh wait. Wasn’t there something about a miniatures game in there?

You ever wonder, if just maybe sometimes the guys at FFG sit back and just watch these threads with a chuckle?

9 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

But.....it’s not just a forum, it’s a battle! We are fighting for the very soul of SW! Right?

oh wait. Wasn’t there something about a miniatures game in there?

I'd love to stay on topic but someone somewhere in the world has expressed an opinion that I disagree with

27 minutes ago, nexttwelveexits said:

I'd love to stay on topic but someone somewhere in the world has expressed an opinion that I disagree with

Obligatory:

1 hour ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

This thread has become HILARIOUS. If the Solo movie is half as entertaining as this, it's money well spent!

That's the prime concern, though

Everything about internet hyperbole is entertaining or at least baffling to the point of fascination

Meanwhile, imo the BIGGEST problem of the Disney movies is you could cut half of Rogue1's and TLJ's respective runtimes without losing much of anything

And that's the worst thing a movie can be, time wasting boredom

I'd take a flame war over that any day.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Hear frakkin' hear, praise be to this post.

And this one.

...And if this doesn't earn Hobojebus a spot on pretty much everybody's ignore list, I have no idea what to say.

It did seem like a post that got lost on the way to the Brightbart comments section didn’t it? I can’t remember where the ignore function is though, they hid it off in settings somewhere didn’t they...

5 hours ago, Forresto said:

Then you haven't been paying attention to how nasty it got after the Last Jedi.

For a good two months here and anywhere on the internet if you expressed an enjoyment or love of the film you were verbally berated for it.

Thats why there's a contention towards people who dislike the film because a cohort of them jammed it down all our throats how awful they thought it was and how dumb others were for enjoying it.

There was no room for positive opinions in those days to the haters. So the fans pushed back, hard.

So now we have this narrative that the haters of the film are under attack.

So if you're not the type putting Kathleen Kennedy in a Slave outfit or calling male fans of the films cucks or Soy, don't personalize it like we're going after you, cause we arent. We're going after the haters are spewing vitriol and nastiness at fans for enjoying something.

So let’s not lower ourselves to their level with unpleasant labels, ad hominem attacks and questioning people we don’t know’s honesty and motivations, because a) doing that you catch honest people who didn’t love TLJ in the crossfire, and b) it’s the path to dark side.

My advice would be debate with people who make reasonable points, ignore people who say things that wind you up, and download a cam of Solo

21 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

It did seem like a post that got lost on the way to the Brightbart comments section didn’t it? I can’t remember where the ignore function is though, they hid it off in settings somewhere didn’t they...

Top right, drop down under your name after clicking, under settings- third option.

39 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

That's the prime concern, though

Everything about internet hyperbole is entertaining or at least baffling to the point of fascination

Meanwhile, imo the BIGGEST problem of the Disney movies is you could cut half of Rogue1's and TLJ's respective runtimes without losing much of anything

And that's the worst thing a movie can be, time wasting boredom

I'd take a flame war over that any day.

You know I'll see you one better, I feel a whole bunch of films made nowdays could have an hour or so cut out without much harm. What happened to having 90 minute films be the norm? I know it is still used for animated ones but generally it seems most live action flicks have to at minimum be 2 hours if not longer.