I'm lookin forward to a solidly okay movie.

So far the only Disney Star Wars film that's dissapointed me is The Force Awakens.

Love Rogue One, to me its place in the frachise balances a lot of the mistakes of Return of the Jedi.

Love the Last Jedi because it did something wildly new.

I hope I adore Solo. I hope it's a movie I can pop in a couple dozen times throughout my life. But I'm not going to go into it expecting the moon and the stars.

8 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I hated it. And that's putting it mildly. It was awful in all sorts of ways. I don't know you though.

This isn't aimed at you so don't take it personally.

One thing I really hate about the hate towards the Last Jedi is not that people hate it. Thats an opinion and thats absolutely fine. No it's the attitutde many who do hate it have that the film is objectively bad, the anti Citizen Kane if you will, and will try to prove that through any means from box office scores to Rotten Tomatos. Like it's not enough to personally dislike it, you're so angry you have to fight those who love it.

Again not you personally, but being a Star Wars fan these last six months has been hugely depressing and it really shouldn't be.

Maybe I wasn't paying attention but the Prequels never recieved this level of vitriol when they came out.

Just now, Forresto said:

This isn't aimed at you so don't take it personally.

One thing I really hate about the hate towards the Last Jedi is not that people hate it. Thats an opinion and thats absolutely fine. No it's the attitutde many who do hate it have that the film is objectively bad, the anti Citizen Kane if you will, and will try to prove that through any means from box office scores to Rotten Tomatos. Like it's not enough to personally dislike it, you're so angry you have to fight those who love it.

Again not you personally, but being a Star Wars fan these last six months has been hugely depressing and it really shouldn't be.

I think that the film is objectively bad. If you liked the film and enjoyed your time there great. I have liked and enjoyed some bad movies. I don't try to defend them as not being bad movies though.

16 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Maybe I wasn't paying attention but the Prequels nev  er     recieve  d t     his level of vitr  iol when they ca  me o  u  t  .

really? TPM was beginning to be hated roughly a week or two after release. TAOTC was hated as soon as the title was released. The bar had been sent so low that’s RotS looked so good by comparison that we were totally fooled into believing it to be ‘good’. If not ‘great’. All in all the prequels also had the stench of buyers remorse very shortly after the initial releases.

I didn't dislike TLJ. Has some awesome stuff. has some less that awesome stuff. I'd say good/ bad= 70/30

So I've been avoiding major Solo spoilers for the most part, but this one that just came out about a certain character cameo in the movie is soooo awesome.

The character is:

12 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

really? TPM was beginning to be hated roughly a week or two after release. TAOTC was hated as soon as the title was released. The bar had been sent so low that’s RotS looked so good by comparison that we were totally fooled into believing it to be ‘good’. If not ‘great’. All in all the prequels also had the stench of buyers remorse very shortly after the initial releases.

Its probably because I'm younger then. I was probably 5 when TPM came. And honestly going to see it and that whole day is one of the happiest memories of my life.

Most people who saw them when they were kids understand their flaws but actually really enjoy them still as adults. Like every Star Wars fan my age quotes those movies more then the originals.

Prequel popularity amongst my group is why Battlefront 2 had to have Clone Wars content added even though the team was adamant during rhe first game that the prequels sucked and would only do OT material. Then they realized who their playerbase was and had to switch tunes.

And what will be even scarier to some on here is the same will be true of The Last Jedi.

14 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Like every Star Wars fan my age quotes those movies more then the originals.

Are you counting prequel memes? I'm not sure those count...

5 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

That was my take from TLJ as well. The reviews had me optimistic, but after watching the film I simply couldn't believe some of the rhetoric being spouted. "best Star Wars film since Empire Strikes Back"? It wasn't even the best Star Wars film of the last twelve months.

I'm not sure Disney are putting quite that much muscle behind Solo, though. In fact, most of the pre-release coverage has been playing down expectations. I'm hyped for Solo, though - the stand alone, anthology stuff in the Original Trilogy era is what interests me the most right now.

I really think TLJ really just appealed more to film-y types and those who are into narratology and whatnot. Critics are going to look at it from more of an artsy perspective. Personally, I liked it for a lot of what it tried to do in terms of ideas though don't think it executed well on all of it. Intellectually I love the take on Luke and what it does for the universe, but emotionally, it doesn't quite feel like Luke. Anyway, I think it's the most complex Star Wars film we've had in some ways, unless maybe you pull together all the bungled threads of the prequels, and that leads to a lot of variation. I really don't believe they paid people off. Disney might be an all-consuming corporate hydra, but it ain't no Michael Cohen.

36 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Are you counting prequel memes? I'm not sure those count...

At this point it's hard to distinguish the memes from the lines. I've taught kids who quote the memes but have never seen the movies, which is more bizzare of all.

But no I mean in person like actually quoting dialogue.

Especially Palpatine, and the dialogue between Obi wan and Anakin on Mustafar. The amount of people I've quoted the Mustafar duel with is absurd.

The prequels are rough movies but because they're Star Wars and have some great elements to them they are at least enjoyable. And people love movies of far worse quality. Throw in nostalgia some beers and the phenomenon of watching bad movies for enjoyment and you have a niche I suppose.

Of course this is all anecdotal but it is my experience.

3 minutes ago, Forresto said:

At this point it's hard to distinguish the memes from the lines. I've taught kids who quote the memes but have never seen the movies, which is more bizzare of all.

But no I mean in person like actually quoting dialogue.

Especially Palpatine, and the dialogue between Obi wan and Anakin on Mustafar. The amount of people I've quoted the Mustafar duel with is absurd.

The prequels are rough movies but because they're Star Wars and have some great elements to them they are at least enjoyable. And people love movies of far worse quality. It's a niche I suppose.

Of course this is all anecdotal but it is my experience.

No, I understand, believe me

You can pretty much write out the entire script of the prequel trilogy from my messenger quotes... but then again, I'm a junkie who grew up on star wars, this is the only way to behave that makes sense to me

Also:

I quite liked TLJ, but it definitely had quite a few flaws. Almost the entire canto bight sequence could have been cut without losing anything important to the movie for instance.

For the prequels, I was 14 when TPM menace released and quite enjoyed it when it released. Think I saw it 5 or 6 times in theaters that summer. Last time I went to rewatch it, not sure I even made it all the way through the movie...

This sounds great. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually excited to see SOLO.

13 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

I quite liked TLJ, but it definitely had quite a few flaws. Almost the entire canto bight sequence could have been cut without losing anything important to the movie for instance.

For the prequels, I was 14 when TPM menace released and quite enjoyed it when it released. Think I saw it 5 or 6 times in theaters that summer. Last time I went to rewatch it, not sure I even made it all the way through the movie...

I didn’t love TLJ, and while I feel the Canto Bight sequence was especially poor, the necessity was in showing the viewer the resistance fighters seeking to protect/fight for something more than themselves. In the end I am assuming that seemingly “small” interaction will pay bigger dividends than any of the larger galactic confrontations, because that’s how these things usually go.

And agree on Phantom entirely. I don’t think I ever realized how fully the lightsaber duel carried me through that film as a youth.

And I was a sucker for the pod racing too. Maybe even more so due to my love for the N64 racer game than the movie scene though.

37 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

I didn’t love TLJ, and while I feel the Canto Bight sequence was especially poor, the necessity was in showing the viewer the resistance fighters seeking to protect/fight for something more than themselves. In the end I am assuming that seemingly “small” interaction will pay bigger dividends than any of the larger galactic confrontations, because that’s how these things usually go.

I actually disliked the whole thing with Rose saving Finn too. As things stood at the time, I'm pretty sure sacrificing himself to stop the battering ram actually WAS the right call based on the information they had. Instead she could easily have gotten them BOTH killed for no benefit.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

This sounds great. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually excited to see SOLO.

Is it bad that I’m more excited to see Lando than Han in Han’s own movie?

*whispers* Maybe you just disagree with many critics on TLJ and that's alright because people can have different opinions of a movie

Difficult

The main problem with some of the movies is if they are re-watchable or not. TFA has the same problem as Star Trek, while you could re watch the first movies several times, JJ Trek is good the first time in cinema and get worse and worse each time you watch it again. JJ is just good in making it impressive the first time but than you should forget about it. And he just Copy&Paste existing stories, change the details (destroying the Death Star after he destroyed the planet) and get kind of a remake instead of something new. TLJ is just the evacuation of Yavin ending with the battle of Hoth and the next movie will be about destroying the next apocalyptic weapon (or any other variation from ROTJ)

The Prequels were not that bad, but they did not keep the quality over time ans some scenes were just annoying if you saw them more than once. Their advantage is that they are re-watchable if those scenes are removed, (and there are enough scenes available to replace them to get a full length movie)

So for Solo we would see if this comes up as a generic but good gangster/Anti-Hero movie, a one time good Star Wars prequel or good Star Wars Scum movie. But the only thing that is important is that you can watch it over and over again without the plot holes getting bigger and bigger each time

5 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

really? TPM was beginning to be hated roughly a week or two after release. TAOTC was hated as soon as the title was released. The bar had been sent so low that’s RotS looked so good by comparison that we were totally fooled into believing it to be ‘good’. If not ‘great’. All in all the prequels also had the stench of buyers remorse very shortly after the initial releases.

That was my experience as well- so much so that I'm astounded when people say the prequels were better than the sequel series. It hasn't held up in recent re-viewings either when I'm older- Hayden Christensen is too awkwardly unbearable to take seriously as our protagonist in 2 and 3. Wonky as Jar-Jar is, he's nowhere near the level of uncomfortable viewing that we're forced to watch with Anakin. Say what you will about The Last Jedi, at least it spares us the creepy leering vibes emanating out of the romantic plotline in II.

Something fans need to keep in mind with The Force Awakens is that the prequels were derided because they were a departure from Star Wars. TFA plays safe by re-treading the path of the original story... and it's derided for being too close to ANH. Now the sequel series breaks new ground and does something different and fans are even more unhappy about it? What's the ideal outcome for the cinema universe here- do you want original content or not? Because TLJ is original.

Solo seems to get better and better with each preview I see, so I'm excited for it (even if my significant other isn't). This kind of is the Edge of the Empire movie if Rogue One was the Age of Rebellion film.

31 minutes ago, Kodos said:

Difficult

A good Star Wars Scum movie.

Not to gloss over everything between, lol, but this was a snip not to be missed.

I like watching Star Wars, full stop. Just to get that out of the way.

I would love a good SW Scum movie but I can't see how we'd ever get one from Disney. The closest to what I'd like to see would end up like a SW Suicide Squad...

Now thats an awful film.

I'm looking fwd to Solo but the best I'm hoping for is a fun, pacy, SW heist movie that happens to have people pretending to be Han and Lando in it. And has Dengar pop up at some point. I'd rather they didn't mess up my Scum vision for me.

I'm not reading that review, I don't like being told the odds

Tlj made 300 million less than Tfa that's not opinion it's objective fact, unlike previous star wars movies it didn't get repeat viewings from its audience.

It's okay to like bad movies but trying to make out that most people liked it is disingenuous in the extreme.

Don't underestimate Disney. Yes they are the family friendly company, but than a good Scum movie is not achieved because there are a lot of bad words, body parts and blood around (compare Oceans Eleven to John Wick, there is a lot of space in between for a good scum movie)

on the other hand, they adressed some of the plot holes of ANH in one of their kids shows (Phineas and Pherb), so they are aware of what they have and what they can do.

And failing at the box office make a movie not necessarily bad. I would say all Transformers are bad movies, but they sell well. TLJ is just not a movie but more like an extended episode between 2 movies (like making a movie instead of showing us the text to introduction text)

4 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Tlj made 300 million less than Tfa that's not opinion it's objective fact, unlike previous star wars movies it didn't get repeat viewings from its audience.

It's okay to like bad movies but trying to make out that most people liked it is disingenuous in the extreme.

It depends on your bubble!

Somewhere like this forum, where most people are hardcore sw fans who dislike the way tlj handled plot points, a visitor would get the impression that its a terrible film, and it would be disingenuous to say that most people like it.

However if a visitor came to my film school, where most people enjoyed tlj, and its subversion of expectations, they'd come out thinking it was a good film, and would find it disingenuous to say otherwise.

It depends on your bubble

****! This post is about Solo, not TLJ.

Let the past die...

I'm personally looking forward to Solo and this first reviews are encouraging.

46 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Tlj made 300 million less than Tfa that's not opinion it's objective fact, unlike previous star wars movies it didn't get repeat viewings from its audience.

It's okay to like bad movies but trying to make out that most people liked it is disingenuous in the extreme.

And AoTC made $400m less than TPM and RoTS made $200m less, and both ESB and Jedi made less than ANH