10 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

I'm going to spoil this movie for you, obi wan lives at the end and was in no danger at any time.

There is nothing wrong with a story where the good guys win. Knowing that Obi-wan comes out the other end doesn't mean the story can't be suspenseful and exciting. Hollywood became Hollywood making those kinds of movies. Those are the movies that inspired Star Wars in the first place.

On 5/11/2018 at 6:30 AM, eMeM said:

I hope it's about that business on Cato Neimodia and not some boring hermitting on Tatooine.

Nah, it would be great to have two hours of staring at the desert watching tumbleweeds blow by.

I liked the Kenobi novel -- it works in the current canon and would do OK as a movie. In fact, there's a whole bunch of Westerns that could be converted and used for an Obi-Wan movie on Tatooine ... the scripts write themselves.

Whether Kenobi or Boba Fett are better as the Man With No Name is left as an exercise for the reader.

... though in truth I'd still prefer stories in the universe about new characters, or minor characters (Wedge in Top Gun!), more than revisiting core characters, but if they have to go there I can see how they can make a Kenobi movie work OK.

I'd be interested in the story of Obi-wan, Qui-gon, and The Duchess being on the run on Mandalore that we got mention of in Clone Wars animated.

15 hours ago, Frimmel said:

There is nothing wrong with a story where the good guys win. Knowing that Obi-wan comes out the other end doesn't mean the story can't be suspenseful and exciting. Hollywood became Hollywood making those kinds of movies. Those are the movies that inspired Star Wars in the first place.

Sorry but that's exactly what it means it's the problem all prequels share you know who lives so there's zero tension and so you can't get invested.

It's kinda the same issue marvel has we know certain characters from a movie I won't spoil because it's really good are going to be fine because they have a movie already announced.

10 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Sorry but that's exactly what it means it's the problem all prequels share you know who lives so there's zero tension and so you can't get invested.

It's kinda the same issue marvel has we know certain characters from a movie I won't spoil because it's really good are going to be fine because they have a movie already announced.

I don't get that at all. There can be things on the line other than the main character's lives. There are other things for stories to be about than who is alive and who is dead at the end. That John Wick wouldn't be dead at the end of his second movie didn't make me any less invested in seeing him go on his journey for example.

As Neil Gaiman pointed out fairy tales aren't important because they tell us dragons exist but because they tell us dragons can be beaten.

On 5/13/2018 at 5:26 AM, Hobojebus said:

I'm going to spoil this movie for you, obi wan lives at the end and was in no danger at any time.

It’s not Obi-wan that’s in danger, it’s gonna be some other character or characters that need his help that will provide the drama. But if it’s jedi-babies or something then you know they will die.

Not every movie has to have life or death stakes, there’s plenty of drama to be had with exploring characters interacting in ways that don’t lead to violence.

Yeah, the conflict of the story could well centre around something other than Kenobi's life.

I really like the idea mentioned earlier of a much weightier, western/samurai style movie. Lots of shots of Kenobi pondering the failures of the Jedi, the losses of the clone wars, the rise of the Empire, as he stares stoically into the desert. Lots of suspense, action being kept short but sweet. I love it.

8 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Not every movie has to have life or death stakes, there’s plenty of drama to be had with exploring characters interacting in ways that don’t lead to violence.

That's one of the things I complain about with movies. They all have to be so "BIG" in all kinds of ways.

I would certainly be up for a riff on "Yojimbo" with Obi-wan getting drug into some conflict in some out of the way even for Tatooine settlement. Maybe on his way back from the incident in Rebels with Maul.

On 5/14/2018 at 7:45 AM, Hobojebus said:

Sorry but that's exactly what it means it's the problem all prequels share you know who lives so there's zero tension and so you can't get invested.

It's kinda the same issue marvel has we know certain characters from a movie I won't spoil because it's really good are going to be fine because they have a movie already announced.

Tell me...there's no tension during any point in these movies:

The Battle of The Bulge

Tora, Tora, Tora

Waterloo

War and Peace

The Count of Monte Cristo

Those just off the top of my head...Aren't you being a bit simplistic?

11 hours ago, Scopes said:

Tell me...there's no tension during any point in these movies:

The Battle of The Bulge

Tora, Tora, Tora

Waterloo

War and Peace

The Count of Monte Cristo

Those just off the top of my head...Aren't you being a bit simplistic?

Apples and oranges there mate, obi wan is a hero with magic powers you know is alive in hope.

Soldiers in a war film have no guarantees of survival and those films are historical not prequels.

It applies to the prequels of other genre as Well like the bumble bee movie think he'll be destroyed and not be in transformers 2007? Was the man with no name not going to make it through the good the bad and the ugly?

There's precious few good prequel movies exactly because you know certain characters are immune to death so you never get caught up in the situation, you know that seismic charge won't hit obi and that grevious can't possibly win.

3 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

Apples and oranges there mate, obi wan is a hero with magic powers you know is alive in hope.

Soldiers in a war film have no guarantees of survival and those films are historical not prequels.

It applies to the prequels of other genre as Well like the bumble bee movie think he'll be destroyed and not be in transformers 2007? Was the man with no name not going to make it through the good the bad and the ugly?

There's precious few good prequel movies exactly because you know certain characters are immune to death so you never get caught up in the situation, you know that seismic charge won't hit obi and that grevious can't possibly win.

Right. I agree with you for the most part; however Obi-Wan doesn't have to be in any real danger himself in order to have a good, edge-of-your-seat movie. In the examples I cited the main protagonists weren't always the ones in the most danger.

I think Kathleen Kennedy just said in an interview that Lando would be getting a film next, whether that means Obi-Wan being pushed back or that it will be the next Star Wars story I don't know. Still, I guess this means we will get movies for all those more marketable characters rather than trying to tell stories set in different periods. I'd expect we get that Boba Fett film at some point.

On 5/11/2018 at 3:02 PM, Trghpu1994 said:

Not sure about this. I like obi wan but the book was meh. Plus spending 90 minutes watching him be a hermit??

90 minutes? Try more like 2 to 2 and half hours and expect them to play it as a Summer or Winter blockbuster.

A Lando movies is typical studio thinking. Black Panther is still doing huge box office and Lando is getting the most traction from the previews for Solo (haven't read any reviews yet.) A Lando movie probably looks like something they think they can sell. And if anyone doesn't like the idea of it or isn't interested or a critic gives it a bad review they can call them racist and shame them into seeing it.

11 hours ago, Frimmel said:

A Lando movies is typical studio thinking. Black Panther is still doing huge box office and Lando is getting the most traction from the previews for Solo (haven't read any reviews yet.) A Lando movie probably looks like something they think they can sell. And if anyone doesn't like the idea of it or isn't interested or a critic gives it a bad review they can call them racist and shame them into seeing it.

From the non-spoilerly reviews I've heard so far its run of the mill forgettable that hits every beat to explain how Han gets his stuff and that Lando is the best bit. At this point I'm sort of expecting we see how Han gets his blaster, how he gets the falcon, how he and chewie first meet, how they turn Lando's falcon into the classic falcon and likely how he gets his vest/outfit we see him in later on.

And quite frankly I hate that mentality that they pull, instead of questioning if maybe it wasn't a film people wanted to see or the like they just call the audience/critics/fans racisit/sexist/enter other ist here. Is it so much to ask for fun enjoyable films? I mean Marvel seems to be able to do it with the MCU flicks for the most part.

See if I had any faith in Disney's ability to make a watchable star wars movie is he interested in a lando movie we know far less about him, but no way can they make something of black panther quality, they can't even match Thor 2.

I think I would be more interested in a bounty hunter/smuggler tv series be it animated or live action that starred Lando. I think it would be more interesting if done well. There are so many characters out there to pick from a series could do more justice to a character development. Not that the mouse ears are concerned with that

Well soylo is at 70% and dropping as more reviews from professional critics come in so not much danger of that lando film after all.

5 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Well soylo is at 70% and dropping as more reviews from professional critics come in so not much danger of that lando film after all.

The more professional critics that pan the movie, the more I'm interested in seeing it. Critics loved TLJ, and I thought it was a steaming pile of garbage.

5 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

The more professional critics that pan the movie, the more I'm interested in seeing it. Critics loved TLJ, and I thought it was a steaming pile of garbage.

Really I think it shows how bad it is that even being a Disney flick they can't bring themselves to the point where they'll destroy their own credibility to please the mouse.

They've described the star of the film as a plank of wood quite openly, which goes 100% with what I've heard about the production.

Join the boycott we need to show them Kennedy is a cancer eating at the franchise.

At this rate it'll take them a decade to get back that 4 billion the spent.

8 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

See if I had any faith in Disney's ability to make a watchable star wars movie is he interested in a lando movie we know far less about him, but no way can they make something of black panther quality, they can't even match Thor 2.

Not Disney, its Lucasfilm. Disney just owns the property and distributes it, all the creative decisions are being done by Kennedy and those she hires to write and direct the films. The only big issue that I imagine coming from Disney is that they likely put a specific timeframe on when the first new Star Wars dropped, TFA, and it was likely rushed and led to no real trilogy plan which has continued to cause issues for the ST.

We can't say that Disney is fully to blame when they have the MCU under their umbrella breaking hollywood. Its all about who is in charge of the brand/studio. Kevin Feige is clearly a big fan of the comics, has years of experience working with older Marvel flicks, and his love for them has brought forth the MCU that people really enjoy. Kathlene Kennedy has instead been groomed to run a business by Lucas, and I don't really think all that involved with the creative elements of the films themselves, and is very outgoing on her desire to push politics on and behind the screen. I don't want ANY politics in my film, let people have their political leanings but when I go see a film it is for enjoyment and escape not a platform for people to preach. Some people might complain that the MCU films are dumb and repetitive but they are at least generally fun and I'm now much more looking forward to their films than I am LFL ones, hopefully Solo will change that.

We've had multiple sources now the latest being simon pegg confirming there was a plan rian just threw it out.

I certainly think that Kennedy is not getting nearly enough blame for the troubled productions and sub-par product that I've been seeing or won't be seeing in the case of Solo.

They rushed out TFA and they just hired the director hack du jour to direct it and all of the films are paying a price for it. They needed to spend a whole lot of time creating a real writer's handbook for the universe and figuring out all sorts of things that would govern the tech and what they could and couldn't do with the Force and what it costs to use the Force and the governmental structures and such before they even started on the first scene of the first film.

There is forty years of stuff on all this already but they couldn't be bothered to filter it out into a cohesive universe for the characters to inhabit and that would hold all the stories they wanted to tell together. I think that failure is on Kennedy as much as on the genitalia-nosed hack.

They probably could have been less tied to a trilogy structure as well.

On 5/18/2018 at 3:34 AM, Hobojebus said:

Well soylo is at 70% and dropping as more reviews from professional critics come in so not much danger of that lando film after all.

Oh come on. At first I was like "Gee, he's a bit salty" but Soylo? Really? Next you'll be calling it SJW Wars.

12 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

Oh come on. At first I was like "Gee, he's a bit salty" but Soylo? Really? Next you'll be calling it SJW Wars.

It's been confirmed lando hits on soylo, and there's a shower scene between soylo and chewie.

It is sjw star wars.

2 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

It's been confirmed lando hits on soylo, and there's a shower scene between soylo and chewie.

It is sjw star wars.

I don't even know where to start with this.