I would actually consider a Resistance A-wing fairly likely. I realize that the A-wings in TLJ were RZ-2s, but it is in canon that the Resistance also used some RZ-1s as well, especially earlier on. For that matter, I wouldn't be too surprised if they get a Z-95 (Poe flew one) or even a T-65.

Though I doubt the same would go for the First Order re: bombers, interceptors, etc.

I'm wrong.

On 5/10/2018 at 8:06 AM, Duciris said:

What are we expecting out of First Order and Resistance Conversion Kits? They can't be the same price or size as the other 3. I'm spotting them as each only missing:

First Order

• 2x Upsilon-class Shuttle (Large)
• 2x TIE Silencer (Large)
• 2x TIE/sf Fighter (Small)
• 4x TIE/fo Fighter (Small)

The Resistance

• 2x B/SF-17 Resistance Bomber (Large)
• 2x YT-1300 Millennium Falcon (Large)
• 2/3x T-70 X-Wing (Small)

Also, Wave XIII (TIE Silencer & Resistance Bomber) just released in December. Will those ships, and all of the above, be unfieldable at launch?

Looking at your suggested numbers (which seem very reasonable) I believe they may bring out both factions together in one conversion kit. That would be a total of app. 26/27 ships. The current conversion kits have between 34 and 39 ships at the moment.

Assuming they will sell resistance/fo separate I think the cost of 30$, that some people bring up here, pretty expensive. They probably also bring out a new Core Set as well with the conversion packs - that will convert technically one t70 and two fo's already. Looking at my collection now (no silencer, one sf, two fo, three t70 and one yt1300) I'm probably doing better buying left over conversions from others then the whole kits myself.

On 5/10/2018 at 5:41 PM, fhdz said:

I think there's nearly no chance of the Rebel A-Wing being a Resistance ship too. Why do that when they can just release a brand new Resistance A-Wing instead?

Yes, but we have to spend $20 on the “new” ship. ?

Gotta be glad that it’s only $20. Praise FFG for not raising it higher!

12 minutes ago, warmdown said:

Looking at your suggested numbers (which seem very reasonable) I believe they may bring out both factions together in one conversion kit. That would be a total of app. 26/27 ships. The current conversion kits have between 34 and 39 ships at the moment.

Assuming they will sell resistance/fo separate I think the cost of 30$, that some people bring up here, pretty expensive.

I agree that it seems reasonable to offer them together for 30USD.

However, I believe that if they do that, the outcry of people who only play 1 faction and are upset at having to purchase both for, "things I will never use," will be tremendous. It's a paradox, the gamer geek. I fully believe that if they release them separately at 30$ each they'll receive less blowback than if they released them together at 30$. I'm serious. And I don't get it. But I've watched these threads before. It's theoretically about being too expensive, and yet...

1 hour ago, Duciris said:

Without buying a new silencer, I (hoping here) expect that you'll still be able to fly the bigger than life version of it on a small base. You may need to jerry rig the peg a bit.

Why would you have to mess with the peg? the current silencers are already on small bases.

9 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

Why would you have to mess with the peg? the current silencers are already on small bases.

Ah, I don't I have one, and assumed that it was on a large size base. Never mind that then.

1 hour ago, PanchoX1 said:

Why would you have to mess with the peg? the current silencers are already on small bases.

Ah, so they are not moving to it to a medium base? I must have caught that wrong skimming the thread.

The good thing about 2.0 is that they can also address the Silencer not having a missile slot if they wanted. They could even give it access to a missile slot for a season and then remove it if they feel it was a little bit too much, but as people have already said, its definitely staying as a small base ship and they are taking the time to re-model it, just like they are doing to the Y wing, Fang Fighter and I think I have heard the B wing at some point.

As for conversion packs, I know they are going to address the "squadron name leader/ace" naming problem and associate some named characters to the more iconic abilities so that will be a much welcomed change. With no more cross faction, perhaps they too will gain access to a "Howlrunner" like ability to help TIE F/O swarms.

If Sabine's ability gets changed or becomes "Republic Only" or something, the Resistance Bomber could have its stats changed to perhaps a three dice primary and a two dice turret, given a turret gunner slot to help it, a crew slot as well as potentially reduced cost for bombs to really make it something special and more thematic. Could even create a new specific "bombardier" slot, just like they have with the turret gunner slots. Maybe the TIE S/F would gain a turret gunner slot too? I mean, it's double shot ability IS a crew card now (Veteran Tail Gunner).

I wouldn't be surprised if the Upsilon received discounts on F/O crew, maybe making Hux only 5 points as opposed to the 10 he may cost now in 2.0.

I think this is why they have kept them separate. The new "factions" need a bit more love and time to bring into the game again. My main concern however is that with only one more film to go in the Skywalker Legacy, the odds of successfully receiving enough ships to flesh out both the Resistance and First Order is . . . well . . you know the joke.

1 hour ago, Viktus106 said:

I think this is why they have kept them separate. The new "factions" need a bit more love and time to bring into the game again. My main concern however is that with only one more film to go in the Skywalker Legacy, the odds of successfully receiving enough ships to flesh out both the Resistance and First Order is . . . well . . you know the joke.

Dave Filoni, the show runner for Clone Wars & Rebels has been tasked with creating a new show set during the First Order era, so I'd still expect those factions to flesh out. In fact, that may be one of the driving motives for separating the factions as much as they are.

16 hours ago, Duciris said:

Dave Filoni, the show runner for Clone Wars & Rebels has been tasked with creating a new show set during the First Order era, so I'd still expect those factions to flesh out. In fact, that may be one of the driving motives for separating the factions as much as they are.

(Assuming you are talking about SW: Resistance here)

That will take years, surely?

My understanding is that it was only announced recently and it focuses mostly on a new Resistance pilot joining the Resistance as opposed to the First Order. So you have the first season include TIE F/O and S/F, plus the F/O Star Destroyer featured in Battlefront 2, have them ravage a planet, causing the hero to join the resistance in outdated T65 X wings, standard Y and A wings for the first season and then plop a new Villain in a one off ship ala Inquisitor / Kylo.

Even then, the series cannot progress any further than TFA or TLJ because then you have the question of why they were absent in the first place. I mean, a First Order Star Destroyer get's caught in a Resistance trap in a asteroid belt and they ONLY deploy F/O and S/F to defend? Even when they are about to snuff out the spark of Rebellion, they still only use those two types of ships.

I dunno. I just don't think it be the source of new ships people think it will be.

6 hours ago, Viktus106 said:

(Assuming you are talking about SW: Resistance here)

That will take years, surely?

My understanding is that it was only announced recently and it focuses mostly on a new Resistance pilot joining the Resistance as opposed to the First Order. So you have the first season include TIE F/O and S/F, plus the F/O Star Destroyer featured in Battlefront 2, have them ravage a planet, causing the hero to join the resistance in outdated T65 X wings, standard Y and A wings for the first season and then plop a new Villain in a one off ship ala Inquisitor / Kylo.

Even then, the series cannot progress any further than TFA or TLJ because then you have the question of why they were absent in the first place. I mean, a First Order Star Destroyer get's caught in a Resistance trap in a asteroid belt and they ONLY deploy F/O and S/F to defend? Even when they are about to snuff out the spark of Rebellion, they still only use those two types of ships.

I dunno. I just don't think it be the source of new ships people think it will be.

But, the Silencer exists. So are we thinking that only one exists?

I mean, from a movie standpoint, we shouldn't see U-Wings, TIE Reapers or TIE Strikers. But we got those, so there is no reason the First Order has something else in reserve. Just because we haven't seen it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Lets face it, the Imperial Raider was built for this game, then it got added to canon. There is nothing keeping FFG from making new FO/Resistance ships out of whole cloth just to fill a niche in the ship lists.

1 minute ago, Yakostovian said:

But, the Silencer exists. So are we thinking that only one exists?

I mean, from a movie standpoint, we shouldn't see U-Wings, TIE Reapers or TIE Strikers. But we got those, so there is no reason the First Order has something else in reserve. Just because we haven't seen it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In a word, yes. Kylo is the ONLY pilot that uses it, from a movie and possibly a canon perspective. I personally don't know of any source material were someone else is known to fly one but I'm happy to be corrected there.

Same goes for the TIE Advanced and TIE Advanced Prototype in that they exist because they had one iconic pilot and then got fluffed out with others and generics for game play reasons.

From a movie stand point, why shouldn't we see the U wing, TIE Reaper and Striker? The U wing was an iconic ship in Rogue One, being the main hero flagship ala Falcon. Saying that we shouldn't have the U wing is like saying we shouldn't have the Falcon? Both were the main transport ship for their respective heroes, both saw combat, most screen time of a ship in their respective films, etc. Additionally, Battlefront 1 and 2 deploys them in droves and calls them in regularly for hit and run ops as well as ground support.

The Reaper was what brought Krennic in (OK, there was the shuttle at the beginning too, granted) so that's HIS ship (just as we got the Upsilon Shuttle because Kylo used it twice), the strikers were the main enemy fodder in Rogue One and seem to be specific to Krennic. Now if that was true, it could be reasoned that they were not deployed elsewhere because Krennic runs experimental tech and they weren't ready for mass production at the time or he just keeps them to himself. If he wasn't snuffed out of the Death Star project, perhaps the humble Ln would have been replaced, who knows. The First Order however doesn't have that excuse, Hux IS the First Order. It is HIS army, no one else.

The point I was trying to make was that any new ships used in the TV series Resistance has to have a reason why it wasn't used in the biggest battle that the First Order engages in. It's like building a Mammoth Tank in Command and Conquer but then leaving it back at base and just attacking with rocket troopers and Orcas. . . both are good but you have a Mammoth Tank . . use it?

I suppose this more of a personal problem, I want Star Wars to kinda make sense when in reality, I know it doesn't. Lol.

But if your metric is that The First Order didn't use anything but TIE/FO and TIE/SF, therefore nothing else can exist in this prequel series (hyperbole mine.)

Then applying that same logic, then Rogue One should not have Tie Strikers, TIE Reapers, or the U-Wing because we have never seen them before in movies that take place afterwards. Because we don't have a reason to see them first in a prequel movie, because no reason has ever been given.

28 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

But if your metric is that The First Order didn't use anything but TIE/FO and TIE/SF, therefore nothing else can exist in this prequel series (hyperbole mine.)

Then applying that same logic, then Rogue One should not have Tie Strikers, TIE Reapers, or the U-Wing because we have never seen them before in movies that take place afterwards. Because we don't have a reason to see them first in a prequel movie, because no reason has ever been given.

By this reasoning, there were only 4 (?) Death Troopers.

7 hours ago, Viktus106 said:

(Assuming you are talking about SW: Resistance here)
That will take years, surely?

I am. I expect it in 2020. There will probably be a 2 year lead time on creating main characters and arcs - both narratively and art design.

SW: Rebels didn't exist when X-Wing came out. Heck, X-Wing was created in time before Disney purchased Star Wars or there were any plans to make new movies.

I expect FFG to work with Filoni & Crew in the creation of new ships. They often release product near their debut in movie form (sometimes before), which means they were working on them well before they were finished. I think there's enough precedence to create similar product here.

5 minutes ago, Duciris said:

By this reasoning, there were only 4 (?) Death Troopers.

I think you and I are on the same page, but arguing past each other.

I think it's just fine for the First Order and Resistance to have never before seen starfighters. I get the feeling that @Viktus106 is disinclined to agree with that assessment.

7 hours ago, Viktus106 said:

(Assuming you are talking about SW: Resistance here)

That will take years, surely?

SW: Resistance is scheduled to premier this fall

1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:

SW: Resistance is scheduled to premier this fall

Seriously?!?! W00t to power of 3!

6 minutes ago, Duciris said:

Seriously?!?! W00t to power of 3!

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-resistance-set-for-fall-debut?cmp=smc%7C1496800780

23 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

SW: Resistance is scheduled to premier this fall

and any number of new ships could be debuted in the pilot episode.

Like this one, for instance.

I'd expect this ship to be debuted with the Resistance C-Kit.

4 hours ago, Duciris said:

Like this one, for instance.

I'd expect this ship to be debuted with the Resistance C-Kit.

I expect that anything that is currently unreleased will be released as it's own 2.0 pack, or transitional wave like Saw's and the Reaper. I don't expect to see any 1.0 exclusive stuff.