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We got cooler lancers

Not like that’s difficult.

42 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Not like that’s difficult.

Right? The Lancer was such a boring ship.

15 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Yeah, it REALLY bothered me that upon bringing the Dreadnaught's cannon online, they wasted their opening salvo on the BASE. Which is very clearly nearly evacuated, and the Resistance's flagship is parked RIGHT THERE and helpless. Especially given the plot-mandated recharging time of the cannon.

It's possible they'd only plotted a firing solution for the base on jumping out of hyperspace, and something about the canons makes plotting a new solution more time consuming than would otherwise appear expected. Very fragile optics or something that mean they can only be adjusted slowly, and so they jumped out of hyperspace with a shot on the base, and it'd take X amount of time to retarget the ship (as long as the reload?) so why not just take the base shot, first, anyway?

Granted, they didn't really do anything to EXPLAIN that, but it's not a ridiculous idea.

On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 9:15 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Phasma doesn't give a rat's *** about the First Order. She cares about surviving.

And I'm sorry, but two guys and a wookiee aren't very good odds.

And if, at any point, anyone had even implied this as a source of her decision, it'd be something I could live with. As noted above, it'd still be a bad decision, but it would at least be something you could understand someone making as a snap judgement if this was truly their motivation.

However, what little we've seen of her motivation actually directly contradicts that possibility, so...dafuq?

On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 7:00 PM, BVRCH said:

I really hope we get a re-sculpt. Of any version really, as long its updated. I'm not a fan of the original.

That's fine - it's okay to be wrong. ?

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

6 minutes ago, xanderf said:

It's possible they'd only plotted a firing solution for the base on jumping out of hyperspace, and something about the canons makes plotting a new solution more time consuming than would otherwise appear expected. Very fragile optics or something that mean they can only be adjusted slowly, and so they jumped out of hyperspace with a shot on the base, and it'd take X amount of time to retarget the ship (as long as the reload?) so why not just take the base shot, first, anyway?

Granted, they didn't really do anything to EXPLAIN that, but it's not a ridiculous idea.

And if, at any point, anyone had even implied this as a source of her decision, it'd be something I could live with. As noted above, it'd still be a bad decision, but it would at least be something you could understand someone making as a snap judgement if this was truly their motivation.

However, what little we've seen of her motivation actually directly contradicts that possibility, so...dafuq?

That's fine - it's okay to be wrong. ?

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

Well I mean, y'oughta read her comic.

14 minutes ago, xanderf said:

That's fine - it's okay to be wrong. ?

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

When I said original I was referring to the sculpt. It doesn't have enough detail and looks terrible in my opinion.

If they were to give the E-wing the same treatment as they did the gunboat (original design but with an HD tweak) I'd be fine with that.

8 hours ago, xanderf said:

It's possible they'd only plotted a firing solution for the base on jumping out of hyperspace, and something about the canons makes plotting a new solution more time consuming than would otherwise appear expected. Very fragile optics or something that mean they can only be adjusted slowly, and so they jumped out of hyperspace with a shot on the base, and it'd take X amount of time to retarget the ship (as long as the reload?) so why not just take the base shot, first, anyway?

Granted, they didn't really do anything to EXPLAIN that, but it's not a ridiculous idea.

Except for the fact they had no problem retargeting the cruiser AFTER shooting. They just didn't annihilate Raddus because the cannon took too long to charge.

8 hours ago, xanderf said:

That's fine - it's okay to be wrong. ?

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

Except that's not even the original design.

Although sort of similar, there's a number of visual discrepancies. Also, the sculpt for X-Wing is based on this:

which not only deviates even FURTHER from the original artwork, but would also be outright physically impossible (at its canon length of 11.2 meters, the E-wing would only be THREE FEET WIDE at the base of the canopy!)

Wow.

If I was a Dev, I'd have to say this thread is the most compelling petition for a re-sculpt I have ever seen.

So many compelling arguments for the E-wing model.

So many official signatures from fervent fans.

I would definitely talk to my boss and make it happen.

10 hours ago, xanderf said:

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

Except that's not even the original design.

I'm thinking of getting another one and give it a "shave" to the nose, making it flush with the rest of the fuselage. I like the way those two look.

3 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

...which not only deviates even FURTHER from the original artwork, but would also be outright physically impossible (at its canon length of 11.2 meters, the E-wing would only be THREE FEET WIDE at the base of the canopy!)

Well, most people forget that "E-Wing" stands for "Ewok-Wing", and that the ship was originally designed for smaller species.

3 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Except for the fact they had no problem retargeting the cruiser AFTER shooting. They just didn't annihilate Raddus because the cannon took too long to charge.

Except that's not even the original design.

Although sort of similar, there's a number of visual discrepancies. Also, the sculpt for X-Wing is based on this:

which not only deviates even FURTHER from the original artwork, but would also be outright physically impossible (at its canon length of 11.2 meters, the E-wing would only be THREE FEET WIDE at the base of the canopy!)

Maybe it's just me, but those look the same to me, minus the minor variations you'll see in regards to different artists and artistic styles. (And I try not to put too much stock into things looking exactly like Dark Empire. That comic was the embodiment of bad 90s artwork)

14 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Maybe it's just me, but those look the same to me, minus the minor variations you'll see in regards to different artists and artistic styles. (And I try not to put too much stock into things looking exactly like Dark Empire. That comic was the embodiment of bad 90s artwork)

There's a considerable number of differences in the silhouette. From Wookieepedia:

• Fuselage The Dark Empire artwork shows the E-wing's nose has a smooth transition into the hull. The EGVV altered this to give it a cone much more akin to the X-wing's. Additionally, the EGVV schematics present a much narrower craft. Using the established scale of 11.2m long reveals that the EGVV schematics are at MOST no wider than a meter at the widest part of the cockpit. The Dark Empire artwork shows a craft roughly twice as wide for its length. Although the two under-wing pods present in the EGVV representation are also seen in the Dark Empire artwork, the EGVV's center pod is not present in any depiction of the E-wing in the original comic. The EGVV also shows the E-wing with a rounded upper surface, however in the original source, the top deck is flattened.

• Wings The EGVV E-wing's wings are symmetrical fore and aft, with small winglets at the tip at a significant downward angle. Dorsal views of the E-wing in Dark Empire show the wings have a much more pronounced sweep aftward at their leading edges, and a straight or nearly-so trailing edge. The winglets at the tip also have a broader span, and are at a less extreme downward angle.

• Weaponry The dorsal cannon in Dark Empire is significantly larger--in length and diameter--than the wing cannon, with a pronounced cup-shaped structure near the firing tip. The EGVV schematics make all three cannon the same size. Additionally, the centerline pod under the fuselage where the EGVV places the ship's proton torpedo launcher is absent entirely from the Dark Empire artwork. However oblong ports are present in the E-wing's nose cone similar to the torpedo launch tubes visible on the X-wing's fuselage. At least one E-wing in Dark Empire was shown firing weaponry from a position at the wing roots. The E-wing's armament was never conclusively stated in the comic, however one pilot can be seen giving the order "Arm all turbos and ion cannons!"

• Propulsion Some images in Dark Empire depict exhaust trails from the lower part of the E-wing aft fuselage bulkhead. Later comics, such as Crimson Empire directly positioned engines or thrusters on the aft bulkhead, which are missing in the EGVV schematics.

So, more or less, there's nothing consistent about our girl, eh?

can we all bask in the glory of the new E-wing?

I’m pretty surprised that long range scanners got baked into the e-wing.

Making Corran bullseye only seems like a good change though.

I'm liking what I see, but I still hope the costs are slightly reduced.

Wait...why the **** is Rogue Squadron an E-wing pilot? Incidentally, what does Barrel Roll/Boost > Target Lock mean?

And holy CRAP that dial is sweet.

AND and has the sculpt itself been revealed yet?

It means that each time you barrel roll or boost, you may get a "free action" Target Lock as well- but it does cause you to become Stressed if you take that option.

8 hours ago, Wiredin said:

can we all bask in the glory of the new E-wing?

It looks like fielding these babies is going to be a delight.

8 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Wait...why the **** is Rogue Squadron an E-wing pilot? Incidentally, what does Barrel Roll/Boost > Target Lock mean?

And holy CRAP that dial is sweet.

AND and has the sculpt itself been revealed yet?

For the same reason that Corran is an E-Wing Pilot: the Rogues flew them once or twice, and needed a name to slap on the card.

1 hour ago, Alpha17 said:

For the same reason that Corran is an E-Wing Pilot: the Rogues flew them once or twice, and needed a name to slap on the card.

TBH, I'm starting to think that pilots should have been on a separate card from the ship.

8 hours ago, Ironlord said:

It means that each time you barrel roll or boost, you may get a "free action" Target Lock as well- but it does cause you to become Stressed if you take that option.

Ok, that's kind of what I thought, but thanks for confirming.

On 5/12/2018 at 6:48 AM, GrimmyV said:

Probably should have added another set of wings with two more cannons. That’s a good solid design.

Oh wait, that’s an X-wing, nvm.

Darn it!

On 5/15/2018 at 1:36 PM, JJ48 said:

Well, we saw in TLJ that post-Endor, lasers arc through space on a ballistic trajectory. Clearly the E-Wing is meant for long-range fighting, and the top placement allows it to elevate.

And yet it appears to be fixed so it's trajectory can't be altered. Also pretty sure i read that the E-Wing's guns were short range rapidfire lasers.

On 5/17/2018 at 1:17 AM, xanderf said:

Ain't nothing wrong with a classic...

I would love to get this sculpt for the E-Wing. The actual model's wings are too thick, and its odd that they are so wide and square rather than tapering to more of a point, as they do here.

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 4:18 AM, JJ48 said:

Although that was one thing I didn't really understand about TLJ. Small ships are, and always have been, a threat to capital ships. We bring in this dreadnought to bombard the Resistance base. Let's make sure to keep the entire rest of the fleet as far from the dreadnought as possible while still being in the same system, to make sure we don't accidentally offer anti-fighter support should it be attacked!

Looked to me like military leadership within the First Order is about on par with the leadership of General Binks. Though Captain Moden Canady seemed pretty competent, from what little we got to see of him. I guess it was just a lucky thing for the Resistance that his commanding officer was an imbecile.

Hux does come across as cartoonishly inept. He has a deleted scene on the supremacy which is just as bad.

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 2:54 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Also, all the official materials have routinely painted Phasma as being about fierce loyalty, even telling her soliders that they all share a sacred duty to the First Order above everything else, including above themselves and their comrades. So either her decision in TFA was just lazy and convenient out-of-character plot advancement, or else she's a cowardly hypocrite that yet again turns the First Order and it's leadership into embarrassingly incompetent goons. I'm not sure which is worse, but neither really makes the New Trilogy look very good in my opinion.

Supposedly:

Annoyingly, the 'first generation' First Order officers (Rae Sloane, Agent Terex, Captain Canady) all seem pretty competent. But unfortunately, it's the spoiled brats and monomaniacs Phasma, Kylo, and Hux who are in charge.

So here's a question:

The T-65 is gaining a 3 T-Roll, the E-wing a 3 S-Loop. Which ship do you think gains the biggest maneuvering advantage?

7 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

So here's a question:

The T-65 is gaining a 3 T-Roll, the E-wing a 3 S-Loop. Which ship do you think gains the biggest maneuvering advantage?

Situational, but personally I prefer the Segnor's Loop - being able to turn your nose a bit whilst you reverse direction is nice.

That said, afterburners potentially let both of them boost after a turn/loop move, which makes it even more of a wash as they can shimmy their nose in either direction as required