37 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

r e b e l b i a s .

TLDR.

Just now, theBitterFig said:

TLDR.

I tell it how I see it.

13 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Okay, now I throw back the ball to you, that's how it works...

In which faction do all, except 1 of the named pilots of the OT belong?

Also, please note, that I didn't say it was broken, and I did mention pricing. I said it is more powerful in a vacuum. And I said if it is priced expensive, it is fair...

But making well known and fan favorite characters powerful was the reason I hated most of the Rebel expansions. And also disproportionately favors the Rebellion. Soontir is Wedge's imperial foil.

OK, so you agree then that you're making this suggestion with imperfect information, and that personal bias is playing a big factor.

Excellent! I think we're done here.

1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:

OK, so you agree then that you're making this suggestion with imperfect information, and that personal bias is playing a big factor.

Excellent! I think we're done here.

I made that claim in the original post, should you fancy to take a look (for the first time I presume), go ahead.

Now, your failure to recognize what was I really saying, I'm afraid really puts a stop into this discussion. I feel like there is one crucial part of this subject that you don't seem to be able to keep in your head, and I don't know why, but as a humanitarian effort, I will try one more time.

My post (surprised you may be to learn) wasn't talking about the power level of Wedge. The general point the post ponders is:

Why establish a new design principle, seemingly universally, then take 1 of the revealed pilots and go completely against it, in what was deemed an unhealthy way of designing abilities?

Could it be priced well? That's not the point. The original PWT design was bad. It would have been bad, even if the ships were priced accordingly. They wouldn't have been broken, but they would still go against the primary design of the game: Maneuvering.

Wedge's current 2.0 incarnation is like that. It goes against core design principles seen elsewhere. My question is: Why?

The bullseye arc makes perfect sense to use for TIEs, their field of vision is less because of the solar panels.

X-Wings have a better view around them, and their guns are spread out more...

50 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Certainly @ficklegreendice would see it that way. I mean, in that context, 60% of the time Wedge's ability does nothing every time.

No sir, here's the proper math:

If you add X agility, you add 0 evades

If you remove X agility, you remove X evades

Remember the golden rule,: green dice only exist to **** you over; the less the better

Also, Ffg is cracking down on dice modification. Wedge's ability? NOT dice modification

Same reason ATC ain't bullseye only

@ficklegreendice are you going to fly decimators in 2.0? I mean no green dice, and reinforce..

6 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Also, Ffg is cracking down on dice modification. Wedge's ability? NOT dice modification

Same reason ATC ain't bullseye only

ATC has a requirement, and it is modification now, because it no longer adds a result, rather adds a dice, and modifies 1 hit to a crit

4 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

@ficklegreendice are you going to fly decimators in 2.0? I mean no green dice, and reinforce..

It is actually possible if I can get a good deal on the model

Always thought the thing looked BADASS but...**** turrets. Looking forward to 2.0 previews

Also, this talk of bullseye wedge is silly. There's no point

The t65 got ONE MORE HULL and BARREL ROLL

Empire has already lost

Rebel bias

1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said:

Also, this talk of bullseye wedge is silly. There's no point

The t65 got ONE MORE HULL and BARREL ROLL

Empire has already lost

Rebel bias

Why is it less silly than making Soontir bullseye?

2 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Why is it less silly than making Soontir bullseye?

Probably built in ptl of which the X gets exactly none unless it wants to turn into a glorified TIE Fighter. Also changing point costs will play a role

Now, a better question is "why doesn't Howlrunner, who works on herself now, have a bullseye only ability?"

Or Vader...just all of Vader

We're going to be alright. 2.0 isn't even due for four months

Lol.

they have already started printing these cards and they were giving x-wing boosters to a few folks at world.

Stop the presses! Open everything up! Someone on the forums who hasn’t played the game or know the point costs has strong opinions about the wedge card!

16 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

I made that claim in the original post, should you fancy to take a look (for the first time I presume), go ahead.

Now, your failure to recognize what was I really saying, I'm afraid really puts a stop into this discussion. I feel like there is one crucial part of this subject that you don't seem to be able to keep in your head, and I don't know why, but as a humanitarian effort, I will try one more time.

My post (surprised you may be to learn) wasn't talking about the power level of Wedge. The general point the post ponders is:

Why establish a new design principle, seemingly universally, then take 1 of the revealed pilots and go completely against it, in what was deemed an unhealthy way of designing abilities?

But bullseye arcsare NOT a universal design priciple. It's a new design space. There's never reason to throw away all the old design space just because you have a new addition.

1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said:

Probably built in ptl of which the X gets exactly none unless it wants to turn into a glorified TIE Fighter. Also changing point costs will play a role

Now, a better question is "why doesn't Howlrunner, who works on herself now, have a bullseye only ability?"

Or Vader...just all of Vader

As the Devs said, the built in PTL is instead of the upgrade slots rebels and scum get with their ships.

Vader.... Who else would you have as the best pilot of the galaxy? Also, I'm not talking about Vader (who we have a price for), I'm talking about Wedge.

Come on, can we PLEASE wait until we have all the details before we start going on about bias and all the things being broken?

Just for a change?

One, we don't know if the Interceptor's dial has changed to make it even more crazy. Two, we don't know the price you have to pay to get Fel. And three, the Interceptor is far more maneuverable with its built in ability, it should be much more reliable at lining up its bullseye arc than an X-Wing thanks to the fact it can link into a barrel roll or boost. An X-wing can get into a strong reposition with its s-foils closed which allows it to link into a focus to modify their attack but are dropping an attack die as a cost.

Look, you might be right, but we won't know until we learn more about the ships, their costs and the like. Give us a couple months and we might be able to better theory craft something from the previews or, wait a little bit more and we can actually see how effective everything is come September.

You know, aside from the fact that we don’t even know the full picture here and certainly haven’t playtested anything... I’m OK with Wedge, Luke, Vader, Howleunner, etc... being a little OP. X wings and TIEs of all things should see some table time. Something is going to be at the top of the meta. Better Wedge in an X Wing and Vader in his x1 (with actual firing arcs) than Fenn in a Phantom II or Miranda in a K Wing. Bring it, I say.

Here's hoping the Interceptor gets trolls and/or sloops. I want to try out Fel + Afterburners + Stealth Device + Outmaneuver/Elusive.

I'm so bumping this thread when Soontir is revealed to be within 90% of Wedge's point cost... what will you say then?

4 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

I'm so bumping this thread when Soontir is revealed to be within 90% of Wedge's point cost... what will you say then?

Rebel bias (presuming, of course, that every other imperial ship is also overcosted as I could give a wet fart about the interceptor)

Gonna need to see it to believe it though. There's no way FFG made the striker and then failed to apply that to the interceptor's cost (new soontir should be 1 point more than duchess at most)

Then again, with human beings at the helm, you never know. But that's what we call "incompetence", not bias

If I had to speculate, Fel will probably struggle with Wedge himself depending on initiative but when he has a PS advantage in the ship with easy transition into boost/BR he should be absolutely dominant. It's tough to tell what the threats will be, though.

Do keep in mind that Outmaneuver remains as it originally was in 2.0, and if it's affordable, it might be a good choice with Fel.

I don't know, though. We'll have to see how it pans out in play.

5 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

I'm so bumping this thread when Soontir is revealed to be within 90% of Wedge's point cost... what will you say then?

I'll say "So now we have all the facts, NOW we can make a judgement on it."

In the meantime...

2 minutes ago, Rat of Vengence said:

I'll say "So now we have all the facts, NOW we can make a judgement on it."

In the meantime...

: Generic whining:

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

Would you have preferred the J. Jonah Jameson gif? In all honesty, I believe I was doing you a favour by making a lighthearted joke. However, if you would prefer some brutal honesty instead...

...you have no way of knowing whether it is broken or not. The points costs haven't been released. 99% of pilot cards, upgrades and abilities have not been released. You have absolutely no point of reference for determining whether it is too powerful in 2nd Edition or not. You're merely indulging in guesswork, assumptions and personal bias. And even if it is very powerful in context, many players would much prefer to see the named pilots and ships from the original trilogy pilots to see much more table time, so from that perspective Wedge deserves a very powerful ability.

*Drops mic*

I remember back when palp was amazing and before that phantoms were amazing and how imperial biased the devs used to be

remember when triple jump was a thing?

The devs had such a scum bias.

these devs just keep on switching their bias every few waves it’s crazy.