10 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Vder is looking really strong. He seems to be one of the few pilots that can really Focus/TL with some regularity. He also gets great action efficiency with the force points and his pilot ability, not to mention a pretty strong fighter chassis in the x1. He even gets occasional double repositioning with Afterburners. He's a very action efficient ship in a world where there's not a lot of action efficiency. He's arguably better than his current iteration while almost every other ship stays the same or gets worse.

He IS better

Apart from ATC being a point of contention, action independent "for-cus" is incredible

15 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Vder is looking really strong. He seems to be one of the few pilots that can really Focus/TL with some regularity. He also gets great action efficiency with the force points and his pilot ability, not to mention a pretty strong fighter chassis in the x1. He even gets occasional double repositioning with Afterburners. He's a very action efficient ship in a world where there's not a lot of action efficiency. He's arguably better than his current iteration while almost every other ship stays the same or gets worse.

Definitely true. One of my concerns for 2.0 is that there's a lot of buffs lining up behind Palp Aces, a previously dominant archetype. Vader got buffed, Palp got a sideways buff, the Lambda got a buff, the Reaper is here as an option, there's no VI so being naturally high PS is an advantage... I'm going to be really concerned/interested to see what the Inquisitor looks like.

Plus bombs are nerfed a lot of competing squads and strategies are getting broken up or nerfed.... it all depends on points cost in the end, obviously, but I'm watching the situation.

2 hours ago, Arkanta974 said:

Valen Rudor PS 3

"After a friendly ship at range 0 - 1 defends (after damage is resolved, if any), you may perform an action."

Thanks! Are you able to share where this info came from?

Isn't new evade arguably okay for scenarios where you expect a fairly agile ship to be attacked multiple times? I mean, old evade would have been better. This is assuming you decided to use your focus on attacking and have some other way of getting an evade token.

9 minutes ago, SOTL said:

Definitely true. One of my concerns for 2.0 is that there's a lot of buffs lining up behind Palp Aces, a previously dominant archetype. Vader got buffed, Palp got a sideways buff, the Lambda got a buff, the Reaper is here as an option, there's no VI so being naturally high PS is an advantage... I'm going to be really concerned/interested to see what the Inquisitor looks like.

Plus bombs are nerfed a lot of competing squads and strategies are getting broken up or nerfed.... it all depends on points cost in the end, obviously, but I'm watching the situation.

They lost thrusters, evade, token stacking, and old Palp

You can't have soontir trundle up to something and cancel 3 damage

If soontir blanks out in 2.0 Palp aces, he's DEAD

Or 1 point off because evade

And the Advance can't evade at alll...blame Vader for that

22 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Vder is looking really strong. He seems to be one of the few pilots that can really Focus/TL with some regularity. He also gets great action efficiency with the force points and his pilot ability, not to mention a pretty strong fighter chassis in the x1. He even gets occasional double repositioning with Afterburners. He's a very action efficient ship in a world where there's not a lot of action efficiency. He's arguably better than his current iteration while almost every other ship stays the same or gets worse.

This makes me assume he will eventually be ridiculously costed.

3 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

They lost thrusters, evade, token stacking, and old Palp

You can't have soontir trundle up to something and cancel 3 damage

If soontir blanks out in 2.0 Palp aces, he's DEAD

Or 1 point off because evade

And the Advance can't evade at alll...blame Vader for that

Soontir won't be in there, I think, Vader will cost too much. Soontir loses a lot, but I don't think Aces as a concept does.

Like I said, I'll be watching Inquisitor really closely.

2 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

They lost thrusters, evade, token stacking, and old Palp

You can't have soontir trundle up to something and cancel 3 damage

If soontir blanks out in 2.0 Palp aces, he's DEAD

Or 1 point off because evade

Vader seems like a more solid ace now than Soontir does, though I expect Soontir will cost somewhat less than Vader does, which might even it out. You definitely won't want to play Soontir like you used to. He'll probably want to be at longer ranges than he preferred in 1st, though outmaneuvering outside of arc will still be solid, especially if you can get the bullseye.

1 minute ago, AlexW said:

This makes me assume he will eventually be ridiculously costed.

The version that's been demoed has been mentioned as 84 points, I think, which at 42 1.0 points is about the same as Vader stuffed to the gills right now. That being said, modern Vader isn't really crushing things so it's probably still okay. It fits with Han having some of the old Fat Turret traits (thanks to gunner Luke). I think they're making movie characters at the top of the power curve, time will tell if they're appropriately costed.

Maybe the Advanced Prototype will have the good aces.

Vader meta is something I can get behind

I wouldn't even fly Vader with Palp. Sorta redundant with the force and all

I'd fly soontir (hypothetically; I'd never ACTUALLY fly an Interceptor) or Whisper

Jury still out on defenders, bombers, boats

17 minutes ago, SOTL said:

Definitely true. One of my concerns for 2.0 is that there's a lot of buffs lining up behind Palp Aces, a previously dominant archetype. Vader got buffed, Palp got a sideways buff, the Lambda got a buff, the Reaper is here as an option, there's no VI so being naturally high PS is an advantage... I'm going to be really concerned/interested to see what the Inquisitor looks like.

Plus bombs are nerfed a lot of competing squads and strategies are getting broken up or nerfed.... it all depends on points cost in the end, obviously, but I'm watching the situation.

Yeah, I think a lot of us are falling into an attempt of analysis of 2.0 squads with both a 1.0 mindset and a lack of information -- point cost is obviously the biggest one. I'm not saying that's wrong as we all want to do it, but it's going to be tough to pinpoint with a lot of cards missing and unknown, in addition to the point cost.

Edit: The other thing about Inquisitor and a "Palp Aces" list is that I don't know that it fits with their vision of the Empire, so I'll be interested to see if it a top list, too for that reason.

5 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

The version that's been demoed has been mentioned as 84 points, I think, which at 42 1.0 points is about the same as Vader stuffed to the gills right now. That being said, modern Vader isn't really crushing things so it's probably still okay. It fits with Han having some of the old Fat Turret traits (thanks to gunner Luke). I think they're making movie characters at the top of the power curve, time will tell if they're appropriately costed.

Probably true and I'm generally OK with that, but I'm also not taking any current points values as solid right now. It's funny though because it seemed like a lot of people were underwhelmed by Vader during the demo games.

31 minutes ago, J1mBob said:

Thanks! Are you able to share where this info came from?

Finally find a way to share the picture :

https://ibb.co/cBpjZS

Enjoy !

16 minutes ago, AlexW said:

Yeah, I think a lot of us are falling into an attempt of analysis of 2.0 squads with both a 1.0 mindset and a lack of information -- point cost is obviously the biggest one. I'm not saying that's wrong as we all want to do it, but it's going to be tough to pinpoint with a lot of cards missing and unknown, in addition to the point cost.

Edit: The other thing about Inquisitor and a "Palp Aces" list is that I don't know that it fits with their vision of the Empire, so I'll be interested to see if it a top list, too for that reason.

Probably true and I'm generally OK with that, but I'm also not taking any current points values as solid right now. It's funny though because it seemed like a lot of people were underwhelmed by Vader during the demo games.

If Vader is that expensive... What will Kylo cost?

Most likely 3 force, init 6 and a much better ship than Vader...

25 minutes ago, Arkanta974 said:

Finally find a way to share the picture :

https://ibb.co/cBpjZS

Enjoy !

Did you take this yourself, or did this come from a blog? Got anymore photos like it?

1 hour ago, SOTL said:

They're bad. They're very bad.

Yup. Free evade tokens are still great, but a focus action is just strictly better on many ships. I bet we don’t see the action on as many ships as before.

30 minutes ago, Arkanta974 said:

Finally find a way to share the picture :

https://ibb.co/cBpjZS

Enjoy !

That recharge on elusive is a great idea.

7 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

That recharge on elusive is a great idea.

With Iden Versio far better !

6 minutes ago, Arkanta974 said:

With Iden Versio far better !

Approx 0% chance it'll recover charge outside the upgrade itself

Not kosher with Iden, regen, ordnance...

2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Other way around, virtually useless > useless ?

also, disagree. Agility is really just a number of blank results you add to your pool before modifying

Evade is statiscally less useful than defensive focus, but saying it's just useless really downplays the effectiveness of "free" evades like from Styigium array or Two Tubes Jyn

Only time it's actually useless is if Feroph's getting his ability

X-wing dice be like:

43 minutes ago, Ixidor said:

Did you take this yourself, or did this come from a blog? Got anymore photos like it?

This looks like the FFG display case likely at Worlds. And I’m with Ixidor... Any more?

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

Jury still out on defenders, bombers, boats

1 minute ago, Nyxen said:

The new edition will decide your fate

1 hour ago, AlexW said:

Yeah, I think a lot of us are falling into an attempt of analysis of 2.0 squads with both a 1.0 mindset and a lack of information -- point cost is obviously the biggest one. I'm not saying that's wrong as we all want to do it, but it's going to be tough to pinpoint with a lot of cards missing and unknown, in addition to the point cost.

Also point costs are now a variable thing since they can be adjusted in the app for overall balance changes or for specific events. Just because we know about points costs from the demo games they're running now, the whole point of the app is to adjust that sort of thing as real live games get played + feedback gathered (somehow).