Wouldn't the old dial still be usable? even in tournaments? I say let 1.0 dials that have the correct moves on them, still should be allowed in organized play.
And with all the cards and upgrades and such being available online via the squad builder, which is going to be MORE UP TO DATE than any published cards... Perhaps the days of "you must buy 4 of a ship you don't want to get the card you need" is over.
Just now, DiggityDug said:Perhaps the days of "you must buy 4 of a ship you don't want to get the card you need" is over.
FFG has already said they will be releasing packs with each wave that contain all the new cards for that wave, but no models.
18 minutes ago, DiggityDug said:Wouldn't the old dial still be usable? even in tournaments? I say let 1.0 dials that have the correct moves on them, still should be allowed in organized play.
I sure hope they rule that way.
Another question: does anyone know if the new dial’s size is the same as the old dial? I assume so, since they would still have to fit in the dial upgrade kits.
So, here’s another solution: just get one of your extra 2.0 dials for a ship you don’t have/want/need, take the back of it and slap it on the 1.0 dial of the ship you do want to use (EDIT: if the ship has all the same maneuvers in 1.0 and 2.0, ie: a tie fighter). White out the name on the back and write the name of the new ship over it.
Boom.
Edited by HerowannabeI asked on twitch, they said casually sure, tournaments no.
16 minutes ago, DiggityDug said:Wouldn't the old dial still be usable? even in tournaments? I say let 1.0 dials that have the correct moves on them, still should be allowed in organized play.
And with all the cards and upgrades and such being available online via the squad builder, which is going to be MORE UP TO DATE than any published cards... Perhaps the days of "you must buy 4 of a ship you don't want to get the card you need" is over.
You're still going to need the cards. The app is about adjusting the squad point cost, and what ships can take which upgrades, not changing the card text. Theoretically, given that they can address balance issues by changing those things, they shouldn't need to errata as often, so which one is "more up to date" won't be terribly relevant.
10 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:FFG has already said they will be releasing packs with each wave that contain all the new cards for that wave, but no models.
What they've said is:
Releasing a card-only expansion along with every wave would be one way to accomplish those goals, but I don't know of any reason to assume that's what they're doing.
Kinda doesn't matter, the base plates are likely to be just as limiting as the dials, and those cannot be proxied with older material.
Fair points, @digitalbusker.
Is it my imagination, or does the “bullseye” mark correspond directly to the location and width of the maneuovre templates?
3 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:Is it my imagination, or does the “bullseye” mark correspond directly to the location and width of the maneuovre templates?
I think it's the width of the range ruler, actually. Just a bit narrower than the maneuver templates.
3 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:Is it my imagination, or does the “bullseye” mark correspond directly to the location and width of the maneuovre templates?
It's the same width as the range ruler.
1 minute ago, Chucknuckle said:Is it my imagination, or does the “bullseye” mark correspond directly to the location and width of the maneuovre templates?
Not sure about the new bullseye but the Kimogila bullseye was the width of the range ruler to slightly less than a maneuver template.
2 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:Is it my imagination, or does the “bullseye” mark correspond directly to the location and width of the maneuovre templates?
No, you are right.
As for the OP, you are going to need the new bases anyway, so you are going to end up with the dial as well. Not really an issue.
6 minutes ago, Sithborg said:No, you are right.
As for the OP, you are going to need the new bases anyway, so you are going to end up with the dial as well. Not really an issue.
And you'll need the ship cards, so same conclusion.
Alex said on stream that the only ships with no dial changes are the TIE fighter and Lambda shuttle, so that wouldn't be very broadly applicable.
1 hour ago, Tbetts94 said:I asked on twitch, they said casually sure, tournaments no.
I think it would be very difficult to keep them out of tournaments, especially if you're using an old dial in a dial upgrade kit, and the kits/dials of 2.0 are the same size as the old ones.
2 minutes ago, kraedin said:Alex said on stream that the only ships with no dial changes are the TIE fighter and Lambda shuttle, so that wouldn't be very broadly applicable.
True, but TIE Fighter swarms would be hugely benefited by letting the old dials in. Means that a mixed PS/Initiative swarm could be built from just the components from the Core and Conversion sets, along with old dials.
Just now, Alpha17 said:I think it would be very difficult to keep them out of tournaments, especially if you're using an old dial in a dial upgrade kit, and the kits/dials of 2.0 are the same size as the old ones.
Very easy, actually, It has green maneuvers? No acceptance
The old dials are garbage. The new ones are so nice, being able to look at all the moves.
22 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:Very easy, actually, It has green maneuvers? No acceptance
Are judges going to visually check every dial of every player in a tournament to make sure it is 2.0? Or are players supposed to cry "Judge!" if they happen to notice that their opponent's dial has the heretical and forbidden green maneuvers on it? That's the only way to enforce a rule that honestly serves no purpose.
Edited by Alpha173 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:The old dials are garbage. The new ones are so nice, being able to look at all the moves.
Those new dials look super easy for "thumbing". Make sure you tell your opponents "All dials are placed on the table and then remain there till flipped"
I'm just happy that there will be less confusion over which gray cardboard circle in the middle of the pile-up belongs to my Interceptor, and which belong's to my opponent's Defender.
But this will probably be the final incentive I needed to switch over entirely to the plastic dials. They seem like they'll save space in the long run.
3 hours ago, Alpha17 said:Are judges going to visually check every dial of every player in a tournament to make sure it is 2.0? Or are players supposed to cry "Judge!" if they happen to notice that their opponent's dial has the heretical and forbidden green maneuvers on it? That's the only way to enforce a rule that honestly serves no purpose.
Gotta remember that there's new players coming into tournies post 2.0. I'll be one of them. Players that didn't play 1.0 wouldn't know what dials changed on which ships, as such they wouldn't know whether the opponent is gaining some sort of advantage to using an old dial. Considering you need the new base plates anyway, it's simpler for everyone to just put a blanket "No 1.0 components" rule in place.
I'm assuming 1.0 Dice are still viable? I've not seen confirmation that they are the same. I have nearly 12 of each and I'm not keen to replace them.
3 minutes ago, Frostweasel said:I'm assuming 1.0 Dice are still viable? I've not seen confirmation that they are the same. I have nearly 12 of each and I'm not keen to replace them.
I believe they confirmed in the TC interview that they would not be changing.
as the person that runs and judges the majority of the x-wing events at our FLGS, I would allow old tie and lambda dials for league nights and seasonal kit tournaments. But not for any higher FFG Tournament.