8 hours ago, DailyRich said:

Nothing about 2.0 is stopping anyone from playing 1.0. Your collection isn't being confiscated in October. FFG isn't going to scour stores and basements for signs of 1.0 heresy. You're just not going to get new ships. Welcome to every miniatures game that has gotten a new edition since, well, ever.

This reminds me of one of the arguments GW-bots used in response to people resenting WHFB being killed off by AoS. It is true, as far as it goes. It misses the point, however, that "not stopping anyone from playing" Edition 2.0 is not the same as "not making it effectively impossible to continue playing" Edition 2.0 with anyone other than a few of your own gaming group who likewise decide to do so. And in your own garages, since most FLGS's seem unlikely to favor people playing games that they no longer sell.

Nor is homemade rules the answer. 9th Age was a good attempt to maintain the spirit of WHFB. I am not sure how that has worked out. Home rules with X-Wing would likely have similar difficulties, likely insurmountable in practice.

1 hour ago, Firebird TMK said:

Nor is homemade rules the answer. 9th Age was a good attempt to maintain the spirit of WHFB. I am not sure how that has worked out.

As near as I can tell it has worked out very well, with a small, dedicated fan base that continues to support it.

I think, though I could not cite any examples, that I have even seen it supported on some blogs and by some garage manufacturers.

Basically, it seems to be working fine, and would be a good model of how to proceed if you really feel there are enough people upset enough over 2.0 to actually quit. Based on the response here on the forums, I don’t think there is. Reaction seems overwhelmingly positive. (Yet more evidence that FFG is handling the switch well).

1 hour ago, Icelom said:

No it is misinformation.

You should be looking at splitting kits and the secondary market for your 1 or 2 ships that you swarm beyond the single kit. the fact you have only 34 ships across all 5 factions and think you require 6x of the first 3 factions upgrade kits and are apparently going to just burn the rest of the content in those kits instead of selling it off or trading is what is insane. You will just ignore this logical solution to your problem like you have every other time someone has suggested it so you can complain some more.

Either you pay the high price for your small collection to FFG and be mad about it or you work with other players and use the secondary market to sell/buy what you need and have extra. With your size of collection buying 1x of each conversion will still leave you with 2/3rds of the ships being extra beyond the count you need. Most likely people with your collections should be looking only at the secondary market.

I have some sympathy, I can understand that your collection is not ideal for this conversion process (being top heavy in only a few ships and completely lacking in other ships) but you keep flat out refusing to acknowledge there is other solutions to your problem. For me I will have extra ships from my 2x of each conversion kit (that I feel is a steal of a deal works out to about $2CAD per ship, not including selling any extras off) and I will be selling the extra stuff off cheap to local players in situations like you.

I do feel bad that it's more awkward for you to upgrade efficiently, but not everyone can win in this situation. Some people are going to be put in an annoying position.

what the **** are you talking about?

my statement was the cost to convert my personal collection through purchasing conversion kits.

that is not misinformation.

the hypothetical secondary market of the future has no bearing whatsoever on my statements or whether they are factual. This thread was created to show 1 example of the costs involved to purchase conversions at retail value. I understand costs vary depending on collection, but you claiming that my personal costs are misinformation is a lie. stop lying

Thats it then. @Vontoothskie has made clear he's not asking for solutions. Lets just let the thread die.

And do the same for any other thread he makes.

I’ve been very vocal in my intention to stick to my 1.0 version of X-wing, while remaining open to the possibility that 2.0 as it becomes further elaborated might win me over. Not likely, but possible.

My experience hasn’t shown any dismissive or insulting behavior from anybody on these boards. I’ve seen some of the attitude you’re referring to, but what I’ve observed suggests that the attacks are better classified as counter-attacks. Many of those who state their intention not to convert do so while attacking FFG and demeaning those who are falling for the “cash grab”.

Realistically, we each have our own priorities, budgets, etc., and shouldn’t bother to judge, insult or call out total strangers. But, hey, what else are we going to do with the internet???

I like the idea of quickbuild cards. And not just for novices to learn the game. They could also be used to offer limited choices for a scenario. I’m curious though, outside of the starter set, will anything else come with these cards? I’m not getting the impression that will be the case.

1 hour ago, Rakaydos said:

Thats it then. @Vontoothskie has made clear he's not asking for solutions. Lets just let the thread die.

And do the same for any other thread he makes.

12 minutes ago, RookiePilot said:

I’m curious though, outside of the starter set, will anything else come with these cards? I’m not getting the impression that will be the case.

Really? I was getting the impression that every expansion would have a couple.

Maybe your right though. If they are limited to the expansion they come in and core set cards, then any given match is likely to need more copies of core set cards than are available, but if they are limited to just the pack they come in, there isn’t much room for variation, and every (ship type) that uses the quick build cards will be the same.

4 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Really? I was getting the impression that every expansion would have a couple.

Maybe your right though. If they are limited to the expansion they come in and core set cards, then any given match is likely to need more copies of core set cards than are available, but if they are limited to just the pack they come in, there isn’t much room for variation, and every (ship type) that uses the quick build cards will be the same.

1 hour ago, Rakaydos said:

Thats it then. @Vontoothskie has made clear he's not asking for solutions. Lets just let the thread die.

And do the same for any other thread he makes.

I like the idea, especially if they do some sort of campaign pack. And maybe they could add the cards needed for the scenarios to the campaign pack, if the quick squad cards have to have everything self inclusive...

It may be wishful thinking, but I really think they have some cool artifacts for enhancing the casual play experience here. Of course, the squad building app itself, as customizable as it may be could totally supercede quick squad cards.

16 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

I am unclear why you quoted me and yourself here.

He’s policing his forum.

4 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

why are you lying?

there is no misinformation in my post.

Lying? Lol, no. Your post asked why people are responding negatively to these *kinds* of threads. My response and others answered precisely your question. Your original post here was a meta-question, hence why the replies are not referring directly to any claims you made in that post.

You don't have to go far to find the sorts of claims I mentioned in other posts

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my personal collection will cost very neary %50 to convert. I dont like that and it seems absurd to me. if you feel conversion cost is reasonable, cool. your collection probably doesnt involve swarms or wings of the same ship

Well let's do something constructive in this thread instead of just mine more salt: post your collection and let's sort out some potential options. I'd suggest in advance that 1:1 "converting" every ship from your collection regardless of how they cost or play in 2.0 is probably not an optimal strategy, particularly if you are cost sensitive. It's a new game: the things you enjoyed in 1.0 may or may not be the same in 2.0, so taking the naive approach is certainly not the only one.

But let's see: post up some info on your collection and how much you're interested in spending and we can sort out some options I'm sure. Prove the folks wrong who are saying you have no interest in solutions here and just want to whine Or don't, and prove them right...

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

Really? I was getting the impression that every expansion would have a couple.

Maybe your right though. If they are limited to the expansion they come in and core set cards, then any given match is likely to need more copies of core set cards than are available, but if they are limited to just the pack they come in, there isn’t much room for variation, and every (ship type) that uses the quick build cards will be the same.

Sorry, for hijacking this thread based on an off-hand comment upstream. But, I just watched over an hour of the X-Wing 2.0 hyperspace report, and they did address this. Expansions will come with quick ship cards, and can use any content from the expansions or core set. I may have heard that before, in the flurry of information that came out, but now it’s starting to sink in. FFG seem committed to make the game easy for new players, in fact in addition to the quick ship cards there are going to be casual events along side tournaments at the local game store level.

8 minutes ago, RookiePilot said:

they did address this. Expansions will come with quick ship cards, and can use any content from the expansions or core set.

Yeah, I was pretty sure I had heard that too. But like I said, that means a largish quick play game is likely to need more cards from the core set than are available.

OP made a thread complaining, and quickly replied to every post on the 1st page of that thread, arguing his opinion and asserting he was right and that FFG should care for him.

Hence, he set the tone for his own thread, and when it backfired, he made this thread where he tries to shift the blame onto the rest of us.

And you can see how it has devolved again.

Well I'm with the OP: I have a core set and 5 Kimogilas and FFG are forcing me to pay $300 to upgrade my $140 collection!

5 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Thats it then. @Vontoothskie has made clear he's not asking for solutions. Lets just let the thread die.

And do the same for any other thread he makes.

This is the pinacle of disrespect.

I have a fair amount of respect for fanbois, pretty much being one myself. But when we hit presedential level strawman hights, it actually bothers me.

If someone has and want to play more ships of one type that are included in a conversion kit, there is no lying saying that you have to buy more then one in order to be able to play all your ships. This is a fact. Anyone saying "You lie, you can trade!" and "You lie, you can split kits!" is missing the point and they are also rude. I am not arguing about the trade/split solution, I am arguing against the asumption. "I can trade, so everyone should!".

Also, again, I respect everyone that feels that the $50 per kit is a bargain given the amount of stuff in the pack. But lets also respect the ones that finds the cost of $180 (plus any extra kits needed) high. Do you find arguments like "You do not need to buy them all at once" and similar helpful? Does it even change the total sum?

Its really not that difficult.

Literally anyone can buy from a third party singles retailer though.

@Ram

But vontoothskie hasn’t just been occasionally making negative comments, he, and a few others, have been going out of their way to “I can’t, AND NEITHER CAN YOU!!!! You’re all wrong for saying you can!!!” Over and over again, to the point of creating multiple threads just to go CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T. People have tried to engage him constructively and he just ignores them in favor of throwing a tantrum and people are getting annoyed by it.

So, yes. If you are rude and obnoxious enough there reaches a point where people will be rude back to you.

There have been been a couple people, like you it seems, who have expressed disapproval and frustration at how FFG has gone about the update without behaving like a 3 year old and everyone has been perfectly polite and willing to have discussions with them. It’s just the people who refuse to do anything but whine who are (after 2 days) catching flak for it.

31 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

@Ram

But vontoothskie hasn’t just been occasionally making negative comments, he, and a few others, have been going out of their way to “I can’t, AND NEITHER CAN YOU!!!! You’re all wrong for saying you can!!!” Over and over again, to the point of creating multiple threads just to go CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T. People have tried to engage him constructively and he just ignores them in favor of throwing a tantrum and people are getting annoyed by it.

So, yes. If you are rude and obnoxious enough there reaches a point where people will be rude back to you.

There have been been a couple people, like you it seems, who have expressed disapproval and frustration at how FFG has gone about the update without behaving like a 3 year old and everyone has been perfectly polite and willing to have discussions with them. It’s just the people who refuse to do anything but whine who are (after 2 days) catching flak for it.

Ok, I see that I was underinformed.I did not understand the frustration from what I have seen in this thread. I made a search for other threads and my understanding is now greater...

No one is making people come into these threads venting about 2.0, much less read every post MUCH less post replies. If someone is sick of the “whining” then it seems to me their best option is to just ignore the thread completely.

12 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

No one is making people come into these threads venting about 2.0, much less read every post MUCH less post replies. If someone is sick of the “whining” then it seems to me their best option is to just ignore the thread completely.

Pretty sure I said that after the OP's last post.

Why are there no point costs or upgrade slots printed on cards?

The X-Wing squad-builder app will track the point value of all ships and upgrades, allowing for fast and accurate squad-building.

Do I have to use the squad builder app?

While the X-Wing squad builder is best for players who want full control over their pilots and upgrades, you can also play a match using the Quick Build cards included in the Core Set.

For freeform building and tournament play, however, the X-Wing squad builder app is an essential part of the X-Wing Second Edition experience.

seems a bad move leaving points off, even Star Trek attack wing with its different card costs manages to be able to print it all on the cards, and thats WizKids haha

So I Am Assuming this App is going to be free then, if it's essential?? ...which despite what people are saying, it pretty much is if you want to make your own original squads for general, fun, non-tournament play with friends.

3 minutes ago, Slash Macbain said:

So I Am Assuming this App is going to be free then, if it's essential?? ...which despite what people are saying, it pretty much is if you want to make your own original squads for general, fun, non-tournament play with friends.

Maybe just read the product announcement once? All you're "assuming" is already answered there...

Plus, there will be a website version and a PDF-Version...