Yep - not sure what it is about this game.

Probably the hyper-competitive, tournament thing it has going on.

For the record you absolutely do NOT need to use a smart phone with the game. You can use the web version (which I'm betting you already use a third-party force builder on the web). And if you really do love working it all out with paper, pencil, and a calculator you can use the free PDF with the point values and upgrade slots instead. So please just drop that complaint already.

As for the cost to convert, the conversion kits are set up to help the most people possible. It's a good overall deal. It's unrealistic to expect them to cater to your personal collection exactly. That is what the secondary market is for. You can also wait till the reprints come later and see what the "alternative upgrade path" is for those wave 3+ ships will be. Finally the epic conversion kit could very well throw in some extra fighter dials to sort of fill everything out.

If at any point you are buying a conversion kit for only a couple of dials you are doing it wrong. Go to ebay or trade at your local gaming store.

22 minutes ago, Werewolf_nr said:

It's more like those of us who quit will stay quit, rather than actively quitting. While some degree of polarization was kind of expected as everyone's excitement and disappointment were at their peak, I'm saddened both by the lack of concessions by FFG and the community ******** on those who say $100+core to update a TIE swarm is unreasonable.

Being able to convert your 1e ships at all is a concession on ffgs part. They had no requirement to sell conversion kits at all.

That they're doing so with such a generous model is already a huge concession.

But give some people an inch and they will quit because you didn't give them a mile I guess.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Being able to convert your 1e ships at all is a concession on ffgs part. They had no requirement to sell conversion kits at all.

That they're doing so with such a generous model is already a huge concession.

But give some people an inch and they will quit because you didn't give them a mile I guess.

While I agree that they aren't required to let us convert our ships; I think both you and I know that if they didn't, it would destroy the playerbase almost entirely. So I don't see it as a concession so much as a functional requirement.

I disagree with your definition of generous, but that isn't a factual issue we can debate.

Well, since I quit around the time of the Jumpmaster debacle, this particular debacle just keeps me at my current status. Nothing to do with entitlement.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

Being able to convert your 1e ships at all is a concession on ffgs part. They had no requirement to sell conversion kits at all.

That they're doing so with such a generous model is already a huge concession.

But give some people an inch and they will quit because you didn't give them a mile I guess.

Knight Models offering all their character cards and their updated rule for free was generous.

Studio Tomahawk combining their SAGA sourcebooks and discounting their price was generous.

Privateer Press offering all their cards online for free was generous.

The price of the conversion packs is not generous.

I poke my head into the X-wing forums from time to time. 2.0 has me interested (Even though it kinda was the only thing at the Hyperspace Report AND MY RAGE STILL HASN'T GONE AWAY!)

I have read your previous thread here. https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/275339-350-to-convert-700/

After the first few posts by you, you just focus on all the posts against your rational or generally negative (And one post agreeing with you of course)

You don't even seem to acknowledge from my view positive comments such as going with trading to get what you wanted and just end up engaging in heated debates in the thread. The fault of the "Nasty" going on is you for stirring the pot it seems. If you think some people won't buy some kits just to piecemeal all the different components for profit, I am pretty sure it will happen that you can get stuff online.

But what do I know? I am just an Armada player.

Its the internet. My ignore list has swollen nicely in the last few days. Unless you leap about happily, proclaiming that you are eager to accept all the new problems of a new ruleset, are rich enough to spend $2-300 just to be able to use the ships you have... and love the idea of having to go online to even build a list, then you are attacked, belittled, called a troll, etc, etc.

Sad, but as soon as you say something someone else doesn't like, the keyboard warriors hit town.

Welcome to the internet 2018

Offering an opinion is one thing. Spewing hyperbolic rants about cash grabs, conspiracies, scams, etc. is something else.

I don't get what all the anger is about. If you don't want to buy the new version, then don't. You have a fully functional game that will continue to work with all the components you already have. Keep playing the current version that you are so passionate about.

And if you're excited about the new version then accept that a new game costs money and pay it.

At Gencom 2012 FFG launched X-wing. They created an amazing game mechanic that got all of us addicted but there's noeasy they could have forseen how big this would get, that they'd be releasing wave 15, or even that Disney would buy the franchise and start pumping out new material. So the game lived and grew for almost 6 years before it outgrew the original design and needed a reboot.

And from that point people have leapt to they'll release a new version every 2 years to grab all your money. Firstly, they already grab all our money. We all buy pretty much every new ship that comes out now. Did anyone stop at wave 4 and think, I've got enough ships now to play?

And is there any evidence that they'll do this big money grab? If anything, the evidence says they won't. They released TFA core set and initially made the original damage deck no longer legal for tournaments. They then reversed this based on feedback. They could have held their ground and made everyone cough up for a new core set to keep playing but didn't. Sidenote - I didn't buy it. I'm still rocking the old damage deck.

4 minutes ago, BlechCola said:

And from that point people have leapt to they'll release a new version every 2 years to grab all your money. Firstly, they already grab all our money. We all buy pretty much every new ship that comes out now. Did anyone stop at wave 4 and think, I've got enough ships now to play?

I agree that's unlikely. From the interviews it's clear they intend 2nd edition to last longer than 1st edition. I think deep down they hope a 3rd edition won't ever be necessary.

33 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Offering an opinion is one thing. Spewing hyperbolic rants about cash grabs, conspiracies, scams, etc. is something else.

Well, it is a cash grab. It is not a horrible cash grab in any way, but it paints a Picture about the financial status of the general x-wing player very well.

I Think FFG is very well aware of what they are doing. They cant reboot with all new ships, too many would quit. So they make the conversion kits. The conversion kits are pretty pricy, but they include a lot of stuff and most players are buying it. They could have sold them for $20 easely I would guess, but since there are loads of cards, dials etc. in there, they figure that they can get $50 for them. And since we are used to pay $25+ for our bigger ships and $30+ for our veteran packs, this feels like a sweet deal for us. Even though we are paying $50 for something that is in essence a pack of cardboard with no ships and that replicates something that we already payed a lot for.

Sane people look at us and go "Huh!?", but we are not sane people, are we?

It's not a cash grab. A cash grab would have been no conversion packs and the only way to get into V2 being to have to buy expansion kits as if you were a new player.

The conversion kits are not pricey when you actually look at the content. Ace packs (e.g. HotR or Rebel Aces) are comparable in price and you get the components for two ships. These packs include all the components for over 100 ships plus hundreds of upgrade cards. When you compare it with other X-Wing products, it's actually excellent value for money.

Just now, Dr Zoidberg said:

It's not a cash grab. A cash grab would have been no conversion packs and the only way to get into V2 being to have to buy expansion kits as if you were a new player.

Would it though? Surely that would have seen their player base implode? Surely they'd know that?

Personally I don't give a flying blue **** if you convert of not. That's your decision.

What I object to is you spamming the forums with new topics bleating about it every hour, on the hour.

5 hours ago, Kdubb said:

vontoothskie, I’m sorry that not owning a smartphone brings about a major frustration for you as that is a major aspect and selling point of 2.0, and I can accept that is frustrating.

I hate to rain in your parade, but smartphones are not a major aspect and selling point of 2.0.

30 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

It's not a cash grab. A cash grab would have been no conversion packs and the only way to get into V2 being to have to buy expansion kits as if you were a new player.

The conversion kits are not pricey when you actually look at the content. Ace packs (e.g. HotR or Rebel Aces) are comparable in price and you get the components for two ships. These packs include all the components for over 100 ships plus hundreds of upgrade cards. When you compare it with other X-Wing products, it's actually excellent value for money.

We have to agree to disagree. You have the perspective that paying something like $180 (if getting one of each of the conversion kits and a new core set) to play the new version of a game is cheap. I have the perspective that it is very expensive.

I am not saying I will not do it and I am very excited about 2.0, but make no mistake; FFG will make shitloads of Money from this. Had they sold this at self cost, it would not be a cash grab but as it stands, they are Selling us updated cardboard for $50 a pop. I already have pretty much all the cards and I am sure you do too.

But I have no problem with that either really. FFG is a Company and they are here to make Money.

But....what about the most important unknown: GUNBOAT. Will the titles be converted to configurations? Will the action bar include any chained combos, like SLAM and reload? Will A-SLAM still be a thing? Will we finally get flappy GUNBOATS? Why leave us in the dark?! All these spoiled cards and not one Rho, Nu or anything. What are you trying to hide FFG??!!

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Being able to convert your 1e ships at all is a concession on ffgs part. They had no requirement to sell conversion kits at all.

That they're doing so with such a generous model is already a huge concession.

But give some people an inch and they will quit because you didn't give them a mile I guess.

7 Million X-Wing Products have been sold so far. That is a significant customer base. Suggesting that ignoring this customer base with 2.0 would have been a financial valid option is absurd.

There is no huge confession, there is no huge rip off either ... outside of that 33% price increase for 2.0 products, which does not affect the 1.0 owners much.

3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Personally I don't give a flying blue **** if you convert of not. That's your decision.

What I object to is you spamming the forums with new topics bleating about it every hour, on the hour.

Amen. If all of these pouting threads got combined into one, bit complaining thread, rather than scattered across the forum taking up the better part of page 1, it would be a whole lot less annoying.

I think the issue is that people arent posting things like "I'm happy with 1.0 and don't plan on converting, let's get a group together to help find games and update faq's after 2.0 drops". The posts have more of a "burn it to the ground, ffg is a big evil corporation and you should be mad too" type of vibe. Not saying there arent any valid complaints, but I've seen very very few I can even relate to.

People that play a game like this are the kind of people who will try to help others. And this 2.0 transition is fantastic for everyone. If you’re not happy about it then it’s because you are being unreasonable. Like your other thread. $350 for $700 lol. What nonsense. If you’re dead broke and can’t afford another expansion then you were on your way out of 1.0 anyways. Nothing changes for you.

2 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

People that play a game like this are the kind of people who will try to help others. And this 2.0 transition is fantastic for everyone. If you’re not happy about it then it’s because you are being unreasonable. Like your other thread. $350 for $700 lol. What nonsense. If you’re dead broke and can’t afford another expansion then you were on your way out of 1.0 anyways. Nothing changes for you.

People are entitled to their opinions. You can disagree with them but there's no reason to be rude and dismissive about it.

There's nothing wrong with being unhappy about the conversion costs. 2.0 works for you and for me and for a lot of other people and that's great! It doesn't mean that someone else is wrong if they think it doesn't work for them.

5 hours ago, Tooka-cat said:

For the record you absolutely do NOT need to use a smart phone with the game. You can use the web version (which I'm betting you already use a third-party force builder on the web). And if you really do love working it all out with paper, pencil, and a calculator you can use the free PDF with the point values and upgrade slots instead. So please just drop that complaint already.

As for the cost to convert, the conversion kits are set up to help the most people possible. It's a good overall deal. It's unrealistic to expect them to cater to your personal collection exactly. That is what the secondary market is for. You can also wait till the reprints come later and see what the "alternative upgrade path" is for those wave 3+ ships will be. Finally the epic conversion kit could very well throw in some extra fighter dials to sort of fill everything out.

If at any point you are buying a conversion kit for only a couple of dials you are doing it wrong. Go to ebay or trade at your local gaming store.

110% this! There are better alternatives here, and folks saying you have to have an app/smartphone are just being disingenuous at best. The solutions are there.

And those folks claiming you need an app or complaining about the app builder - don’t say you have no internet, as you managed to get on here to complain about it.

3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Personally I don't give a flying blue **** if you convert of not. That's your decision.

What I object to is you spamming the forums with new topics bleating about it every hour, on the hour.

Also, this. I am sick of logging in and only seeing threads on page 1 all about “I won’t convert it’s too expensive” or “the real cost to convert” or “it’s a scam!!” No, it’s not a scam. You are paying money for an actual product. Whether you feel it’s worth it or not is up to you.

The only thread that was even remotely interesting about the price to convert was the one that actually did all the math to show folks it really wasn’t that much more to go to 2.0

3 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

I hate to rain in your parade, but smartphones are not a major aspect and selling point of 2.0.

Not a major aspect and selling point in general, or just not for you?

Because the app is a major aspect and selling point of 2.0 for me.

1 minute ago, nexttwelveexits said:

People are entitled to their opinions. You can disagree with them but there's no reason to be rude and dismissive about it.

There's nothing wrong with being unhappy about the conversion costs. 2.0 works for you and for me and for a lot of other people and that's great! It doesn't mean that someone else is wrong if they think it doesn't work for them.

There’s something wrong when your arguments against it are made in bad faith. Most of them are.

you don’t need a smartphone.

you don’t need to buy enough conversion kits outright to cover all your plastic.

you don’t need to stop playing 1.0

Having an opinion that the sky is purple doesn’t mean people have to be nice to you.