22 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

i dont own 300 ships. im converting 34 ships. for me its over $10 a ship. do math before you make claims

Math said for this to make any sens you would have to only own two different ships in every faction, but at least 4-8 of those ships each. so mathematically your collection sucks.

4 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

information for epic support has not been released yet, it's only been promised

quite possible that these kits were designed more for standard play...since they obviously were, due to not having the quantity nor huge bases commonly found in epic

Well, it's pretty obvious the boxes were designed for the one-ship-only meta crowd. If that is your collection, the kits are amazing.

Now, if they really wanted to make this work for the Epic crowd, the Epic conversions had better contain stuff for the huge ships, PLUS more dials for all the faction's small base statfighters.

It would be a nice olive branch to the Epic crowd.

Unfortunately, that data is not available.

Honestly?

Buy one conversion kit per faction, and singles for the stuff you need extra, or buy two and sell the stuff you don't need. You'll find it's much more reasonable.

Or just buy one and don't fly absolutely everything you own. When was the last time you did?

1 minute ago, Firespray-32 said:

If you feel that way why not just, you know...

...not buy it?

I dont plan to. if enough people voice concerns, theyll release a cheap solution

5 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, it's pretty obvious the boxes were designed for the one-ship-only meta crowd. If that is your collection, the kits are amazing.

Now, if they really wanted to make this work for the Epic crowd, the Epic conversions had better contain stuff for the huge ships, PLUS more dials for all the faction's small base statfighters.

It would be a nice olive branch to the Epic crowd.

Unfortunately, that data is not available.

there is no such thing as the "one-ship-only meta crowd"

if that were truly the case, we'd be looking at a rebel kit consisting of 1 yt-2400. 1 vcx, 1 of each phantom, 1 k-wing, and up to 4 auzzies

it's a kit for more standard games, though I can't imagine not being able to play epic with all the stuff in the box. The rebel/scum (Formerly) large ships alone would probably fill out the 300 point equivalent in 2.0

2 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

I dont plan to. if enough people voice concerns, theyll release a cheap solution

I don't think there will be enough concerns for that to happen and 1 conversion kit is pretty solid by it's own, we all don't even know how many of each ship will fit in a list and if you need some more of special ships, there will be enough people selling leftovers of the conkits that they don't need.

3 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

there is no such thing as the "one-ship-only meta crowd"

Eh, OK, the type of player who only plays 100/6, focuses on the meta, and therefore has a bare minimum of each release.

Closer to truth?

5 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

I dont plan to. if enough people voice concerns, theyll release a cheap solution

No, they won't.

Don't kid yourself.

37 minutes ago, Max Teranous said:

What we definitely needed was another thread on this topic.

Tell me about it.

...another positive from 2nd Edition though; it's given us a great indictation of which forum users can be safely placed on ignore!

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

Eh, OK, the type of player who only plays 100/6 And therefore has a bare minimum of each release.

Closer to truth?

You mean most of the players?

Oh yeah... why doesn't FFG pander to the less than 1% of players who buy 12 of each small ship?

6 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Eh, OK, the type of player who only plays 100/6 And therefore has a bare minimum of each release.

Closer to truth?

not even close

trying to parse out how many points the bare minimum configurations of all the contents in the kit comes out to...

3 – A-wing (45)
2 – ARC-170 (50)
2 – Auzituck Gunship (48)
2 – B-wing (44)
2 – E-wing (54)
2 – Ghost (70)
2 – HWK-290 (32)
2 – K-wing (46)
2 – Millennium Falcon (56)
2 – Phantom I (36)
2 – Phantom II (31?)
2 – Sabine’s TIE Fighter (27)
2 – U-wing (46)
2 – X-wing (42)
2 – Y-wing (36)
2 – YT-2400 (60)
4 – Z-95 Headhunter (48)

...approx. 771 points in 1.0?

teensy bit more than the standard 100 points

also, the A-wings, ARCs, Bs, Es, Hwks, s's ties, Us, Ys, Xs, Zs and roughly half of everything else are all un necessary for competitive, standard play in 1.0

OH another how much it is going to cost me to go to 2.0 thread. For a minuet I actually thought they had numbers of how much the ships in the conversion kit costs in 1.0.

20 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

You mean some 1st edition common 100/6 lists, right? We don't know what the common 2nd edition lists will end up being. Triple Defenders might not be terribly common in 2nd edition, for example. Sure, we can all make assumptions one way or another.

But those are just assumptions, it's way too early to tell. We don't have any where near all of the information yet.

15 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

That is exactly the point my friend. There is a choice and choices need to be made by the individual but calling ffg out is irrelevant because there are a lot of people who see it as a good value. I didn’t care for v1 in several areas and I voted with my money by not buying the product.

I still say you and your brother can benefit greatly from individual trades or the high likelihood that 3rd party sellers will see the demand and part these things out. I nearly gurantee that, it’s money waiting to be had. In the end is it worth the cost to you personally? Having a large collection seems to indicate the willingness of people to drop insane cash on a game.

I regret many of the purchases I made in v1 to have things power creeped out or just plain worthless. People would buy meta lists every time a new hotness arose, a new wave, a nerf not everyone did of course and those that didn’t got left behind. This version shows great promise in being quickly fixable. Therefore I gladly hand money over to use things I really like that haven’t been used in years. I think this will divide the community but thats ok we all never got along anyway lol

11 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

I dont plan to. if enough people voice concerns, theyll release a cheap solution

No, they won't. They're not going change their minds about what they consider to be the best way to release the kits based on a few loud voices on a forum. Bad sales numbers would make them rethink.

You can vent as much as you want to but if you think it's going to change FFG's plans you're wasting your time.

46 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

what kind of person doesn’t recognize 30+ ships of content for 50 bucks is an insane value? It’s like 75 cents per ship.

The kind of person who can do math? $50/30 = ~$1.70 ?

34 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

Just buy B-wing conversions 3rd party holy ****. It's not that complex.

I really don't see the point of upgrading your epic collection any time soon; The rules for epic 2.0 won't be out for a while, and most of the epic enthusiasts don't need a second edition because they're generally the type to leave Azitucks, Harpoons, Scurgs, etc. at home. Those people probably shouldn't buy into the second edition because first edition suffices for their needs.

22 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

again, you are counting epic and the other 2 factions.

tie swarm. 2 conversions

5 khiraxz. 2 conversions

3 defenders. 2 conversions

6 rebel z95s. 2 conversions

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

and again, why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin? are you guys hoping theyll put you on the board if you kiss up enough? No one is telling you what to think or do, and im happy for you if you like this new game direction. but trying to mob anyone who says they dont like it is bizzare. we can discuss things on the discussion page you know

No the $1200+ wasn't counting epic ships, but granted it does count the two smaller factions.

I think you'll admit you've got a really abnormal fleet, given that's half your financial investment and 2/3rds of your fleet given a 7 ship Tie swarm. Either way it means you don't own a lot of the things in the conversion kit so you can probably trade without much difficulty.

Just now, Vontoothskie said:

So after crunching numbers, i realised something.

my 1100 collection contains epic ships. these wont be converted. it also contains both first order and resistance ships. i wouldn't update these. the total value of my non-converted ships is $400. this means I WOULD be converting $700 dollars worth of ships (1100 - 400)

So 1 core set, 2 scum conversions, 2 imp conversions, and 2 rebel conversions... thats $350.

$350 to convert $700. that is the math on this for me and many others. is that absurd money grab by FFG? we each get an opinion, but i say absolutely yes.

People playing epic will be slapped in the face. Not only do they have to pay for enough to field standard squadrons, but also much more for epic sized squads (if you wanted to swarm a particular ship), and the future epic conversion kits.

For standard players, one kit will be enough to play most stuff (minus swarms of x-wings or tie fighters).

So the question is:

-Will you be happy with one kit to play most standard squadrons? If yes, then just buy one of each. If you want 2.0 epic then you are probably at a loss and just keep playing 1.0 epic.

For me, one kit will cover most stuff and only play standard, so I will do that.

17 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Eh, OK, the type of player who only plays 100/6, focuses on the meta, and therefore has a bare minimum of each release.

Closer to truth?

Closer, but not yet there. 3 A-Wings, 3 Gunboats, 2 Ghosts, etc ... it's a little bit more than a bare minimum, but certainly not a focus on Epic ship spam. And to be honest, I do hope that they add TIE-Fighters. X-Wings and M3As in the epic releases, but I am not hoping for massive spam in those either. Mainly because I think it should be reasonable easy to trade in or buy generic ship conversions and because I don't think that it would be unreasonable to expect from the epic crowd to buy 2 of each conversion kit.

Considering that the MSRP went up 33% for 2.0 ships in general, 1.0 ships with conversion kit are still a bargain compared to the regular 2.0 business. 5 TIE-Fighter expansions are now a $100 purchase ... this game seems to becoming more of a cash grab in general. ?

27 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Eh, OK, the type of player who only plays 100/6, focuses on the meta, and therefore has a bare minimum of each release.

Closer to truth?

Not really. Even that crowd buys what they want, and sometimes that’s not the bare minimum. In order to find the meta, you need to test. And to test, you need materials.

38 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

again, you are counting epic and the other 2 factions.

tie swarm. 2 conversions

5 khiraxz. 2 conversions

3 defenders. 2 conversions

6 rebel z95s. 2 conversions

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

and again, why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin? are you guys hoping theyll put you on the board if you kiss up enough? No one is telling you what to think or do, and im happy for you if you like this new game direction. but trying to mob anyone who says they dont like it is bizzare. we can discuss things on the discussion page you know

TIE Swarm. 2 Conversions does not seem right considering that you are getting 6 Academy pilots with just the core set and one conversion kit. Add howlrunner or whatever and reuse one of your old dials and you have your classic crack swarm with 7 TIEs . ?
5 khiraxz. Not really, that's one conversion kit and a like 5€ for 2 generics from ebay. Literally, because stores already offer pro-order options at that price. ?
3 defenders. Ok another €2.50 ... and actually bad style of FFG as well, considering how often tripple defender lists were flown.
6 Rebel z95. Another €5, right?

And calling 5 Khiraxy and 6x z-95 fairly common is impudent.

36 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

again, you are counting epic and the other 2 factions.

tie swarm. 2 conversions

5 khiraxz. 2 conversions

3 defenders. 2 conversions

6 rebel z95s. 2 conversions

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

and again, why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin? are you guys hoping theyll put you on the board if you kiss up enough? No one is telling you what to think or do, and im happy for you if you like this new game direction. but trying to mob anyone who says they dont like it is bizzare. we can discuss things on the discussion page you know

you get 4 ties in imperials, 2 in the starter set and 2 more dials in the rebels thanks to sabine

i have yet to find anyone who likes the khiraxz much, so alot of people are going to have 2-3 of that conversion to ditch so will probably be a really cheap secondary market item

anyone who didnt get the veterans pack will have the tie defender conversion to spare so again should be a easy pick up, plus we dont even know its new point cost. they could make its dial way better but make it so only 2 can fit in a list

not everyone was into z swarms should be plenty extra, heck I will be ditching 3 of them message me when these come out and I will sell them cheap or trade you for some of your conversions you dont even own ships of

27 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

1 minute ago, Skandranon said:

i have yet to find anyone who likes the khiraxz much, so alot of people are going to have 2-3 of that conversion to ditch so will probably be a really cheap secondary market item

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What an happy quoting accident.