So after crunching numbers, i realised something.

my 1100 collection contains epic ships. these wont be converted. it also contains both first order and resistance ships. i wouldn't update these. the total value of my non-converted ships is $400. this means I WOULD be converting $700 dollars worth of ships (1100 - 400)

So 1 core set, 2 scum conversions, 2 imp conversions, and 2 rebel conversions... thats $350.

$350 to convert $700. that is the math on this for me and many others. is that absurd money grab by FFG? we each get an opinion, but i say absolutely yes.

Yeah how dare they not give you the whole deal for free

what kind of person doesn’t recognize 30+ ships of content for 50 bucks is an insane value? It’s like 75 cents per ship.

What we definitely needed was another thread on this topic.

5 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

Yeah how dare they not give you the whole deal for free

what kind of person doesn’t recognize 30+ ships of content for 50 bucks is an insane value? It’s like 75 cents per ship.

i dont own 300 ships. im converting 34 ships. for me its over $10 a ship. do math before you make claims

3 minutes ago, Max Teranous said:

What we definitely needed was another thread on this topic.

Some of us definitely needed the math to be made clear. if you dont want to discuss it, dont post? this is a discussion board, you know, for discussion

Your personal investment in the game does not constitute what is a cash grab and what isn’t.

Wave 12-teen, all released on the same day, cost more than double a single conversion kit.

What would you prefer, to start from scratch?

1 minute ago, Vontoothskie said:

i dont own 300 ships. im converting 31 ships. for me its over $10 a ship. do math before you make claims

It’s a luxury item no one is forcing you to buy. Gain perspective before making claims.

If you own just one of everything non-epic you're well over $1200 in. Why do you need to double up on the conversion kits if you only own roughly half of the entire line?

"many others" is unquantifiable

it's also difficult to back up your numbers as we don't know your collection, but suffice to say unless your collection fits in very well to 2 sets you are more than likely vastly overpaying when you could simply put some effort into trading, buying, or selling

I know I'm not compelled to buy two conversion kits because my imperials will be a defender and advance over the allotment. I will go to a x-wing swap/sell on facebook, or trade bases with friends, or sell my excess ships if I find I do not enjoy how they play in 2.0. Buying a kit for such a small # of ships would not be terribly sound of mind unless you got massive amounts of money to burn, imo.

I am also not compelled to update everything at the same time because I know I will not be able to play even the entire contents of a single core + kit. There is a LOT of content to go through to be distracted by not spamming one ship-type lists

of course, we've been around this same topic time and time again. the complaints and solutions remain the same, and your decision remains your own

in terms of "money grab", relative to what is apparently acceptable practice in this industry, the move to 2.0 is really uninspired when it comes to milking 1.0 for money. It IS an investment, but are getting a LOT out of it. Whether or not this grand overhaul is worth the price of conversion, that is up to you

calling it just a "money grab", though, seems to be an incredibly narrow perspective

4 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

i dont own 300 ships. im converting 31 ships. for me its over $10 a ship. do math before you make claims

If you were loyal to your Emperor, this would never happen.

Sidebar: every time I see someone say they need another conversion for the 3rd Defender I imagine the base one costing 67-70 points.

I have no problem with them doing conversion kit, but it would be nice for them to release a small ship only pack that comes with 2 of each small base ship. I, and many others, probably don't need 4 of the large base ships, would like more of the small. Thankfully for me, between my brother, father and myself, I will have enough dials to fly any small base list I currently can.

You. Don’t. Have. To. Convert. Your. Whole. Collection. At. Once.

Maybe. Not. Even. At. All.

12 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

It’s a luxury item no one is forcing you to buy. Gain perspective before making claims.

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

Ummmm... bear with me for a moment. So if you have 700$ worth of ships, at a price of 15$ each, thats 46 ships. Now, there are exactly 46 ships in the game in all faction kits combined. (yes, ofc, counting some scum ships double, but then again you probably have 2 of those because of most wanted etc.) If you do play all factions, you will have 1 of each, if I understand your calculation correctly. So you only need 1 conversion set per faction, surely not 2. Hence, you will pay 150 to update 700. 150, not 190, since the core set does contain value (new pilots, new ships). If you just want the templates + damage deck: buy the promotional damage deck and an acrilic 1-speed template (5$)

That is, indeed, a hefty 21%+ price tag. But not nearly the 50% you're making it out to be.

So, let's face it: your math doesn't check out.

4 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

information for epic support has not been released yet, it's only been promised

quite possible that these kits were designed more for standard play...since they obviously were, due to not having the quantity nor huge bases commonly found in epic

9 minutes ago, YourHucklebrry said:

If you own just one of everything non-epic you're well over $1200 in. Why do you need to double up on the conversion kits if you only own roughly half of the entire line?

again, you are counting epic and the other 2 factions.

tie swarm. 2 conversions

5 khiraxz. 2 conversions

3 defenders. 2 conversions

6 rebel z95s. 2 conversions

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

and again, why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin? are you guys hoping theyll put you on the board if you kiss up enough? No one is telling you what to think or do, and im happy for you if you like this new game direction. but trying to mob anyone who says they dont like it is bizzare. we can discuss things on the discussion page you know

4 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

exactly

1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said:

information for epic support has not been released yet, it's only been promised

quite possible that these kits were designed more for standard play...since they obviously were, due to not having the quantity nor huge bases commonly found in epic

right but thatll be more money. im not disagreeing, im just saying that my NON epic ships in those 3 factions cost %50 tro convert

This math is way wrong.

One $50 conversion kit covers 700-800 dollars worth of models. And that’s a conservative estimate, assuming you bought the cheapest package that contained each model.

If you’re buying a whole separate conversion set to convert a few extra models... you aren’t taking advantage of the obvious secondary market that will develop. That’s on you, not FFG.

3 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

.... why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin?

I can't speak for the rest but its in my best interest to support FFG so we can continue to get new X-wing content. The Star War's licence isn't cheap, after all.

3 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

Ummmm... bear with me for a moment. So if you have 700$ worth of ships, at a price of 15$ each, thats 46 ships. Now, there are exactly 46 ships in the game in all faction kits combined. (yes, ofc, counting some scum ships double, but then again you probably have 2 of those because of most wanted etc.) If you do play all factions, you will have 1 of each, if I understand your calculation correctly. So you only need 1 conversion set per faction, surely not 2. Hence, you will pay 150 to update 700. 150, not 190, since the core set does contain value (new pilots, new ships). If you just want the templates + damage deck: buy the promotional damage deck and an acrilic 1-speed template (5$)

That is, indeed, a hefty 21%+ price tag. But not nearly the 50% you're making it out to be.

So, let's face it: your math doesn't check out.

The promo damage deck requires a preorder of the core set.

In addition, the original poster hasn’t listed quantity so he/she might have multiples of the same ship. This is more likely if he bought some of those ace packs or even several of the other packs.

2.0 just seems like the more you supported 1.0 the more you get punished.

22 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

What would you prefer, to start from scratch?

Nope (rhetorical I know)

19 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

If you were loyal to your Emperor, this would never happen.

?

Idea: what if they simply sold foil packs that contained the pilot cards and cardboard for a single ship? Buy what you want; you could start with just three let’s say, just a squad; test it out.....

31 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

is that absurd money grab by FFG? we each get an opinion, but i say absolutely yes.

If you feel that way why not just, you know...

...not buy it?

2 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

right but thatll be more money. im not disagreeing, im just saying that my NON epic ships in those 3 factions cost %50 tro convert

they don't, unless you buy entire kits for very small discrepancies in models

buy/trade/sell individual models or templates; wait for FFG to bring up more specific details about these upgrade packs they promised for when they release new upgrade cards in future wave re-releases