1 hour ago, Vontoothskie said:

thats not how math works, so try again? 5 khiraxz, 3 defenders, 6 rebe  l z95s = $210 leaving 490 of other ships in  my potentially converted collection.

if you just lie openly and make stuff up people can see it when they do the math themselves. why are you doing that?

Well, I want to assume, no one would buy an entire conversion kit for a 1-2 ship, rather then buying en extra blister or two. Because, you know, that would be silly.

1 hour ago, Do I need a Username said:

why not?

Because faction cardboard is unique, with different initiative etc. it would be different colors and potentially have different stats. you could certainly use it for homebrew or custom games but you cant fly non imperial ties in an imperial list in anything official or against strangers

1 minute ago, Vontoothskie said:

Because faction cardboard is unique, with different initiative etc. it would be different colors and potentially have different stats. you could certainly use it for homebrew or custom games but you cant fly non imperial ties in an imperial list in anything official or against strangers

But what many people are theorising at the moment is that perhaps we'll get a few extra ship tiles more than the stated quantity of dials for some oft-spammed ships - so that cross-faction use of dials is viable.

This might be overly optimistic to assume, but it's probably a more valid assumption than the one that FFG are actively looking to "scam" or extort people.

9 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

So after crunching numbers, i realised something.

my 1100 collection contains epic ships. these wont be converted. it also contains both first order and resistance ships. i wouldn't update these. the total value of my non-converted ships is $400. this means I WOULD be converting $700 dollars worth of ships (1100 - 400)

So 1 core set, 2 scum conversions, 2 imp conversions, and 2 rebel conversions... thats $350.

$350 to convert $700. that is the math on this for me and many others. is that absurd money grab by FFG? we each get an opinion, but i say absolutely yes.

I can pretty much guarantee that if you only have $700 worht of ships, you're wasting money by buying 2 of each conversion kit. You're buying enough conversion kits to convert up to 220 ships, when you don't even have 25% of that many models to convert.

9 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, perspective is a big part of this.

My bro loves b-wings. We only play epic. There are 2 dials in a conversion box.

To play in the way he would want is 3-4 Rebel boxes for $150 to $200.

For some of us, the math is stupid for the way we play.

It may be s great price, but it is a terrible VALUE.

If you're buying 4 rebel conversion kits JUST to convert 8 b-wings, you're doing it wrong. Buy from the secondary market or else wait for the b-wing rerelease and buy the min-conversion kits or whatever they do to let you get stuff from the b-wing expansions. Or, ya know, jsut buy more 2e b-wing expansions, since 2 b-wings is cheaper than 1 conversion kit.

9 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

again, you are counting epic and the other 2 factions.

tie swarm. 2 conversions

5 khiraxz. 2 conversions

3 defenders. 2 conversions

6 rebel z95s. 2 conversions

the conversion kits do not contain enough of each ship to convert fairly common 100/6 lists.

and again, why are there so many people heavily invested in FFGs profit margin? are you guys hoping theyll put you on the board if you kiss up enough? No one is telling you what to think or do, and im happy for you if you like this new game direction. but trying to mob anyone who says they dont like it is bizzare. we can discuss things on the discussion page you know

Out of those...pretty much none of them are common lists right now. Tie swarms haven't been common since crack-swarms disappeared. 5 kihraxz is entertaining, but not exactly great, etc. Triple defenders are at least maknig somewhat of a comeback. They're lists you *can fly* right now, but not especially good ones generally. *You* might fly them commonly, but that doesn't make htem common lists. If you look at meta wing since the wave 12/13 release, there are 6 lists in the top 100 that you can't fly with 1 conversion kit. 3-4 auzitucks are two of them, 3 scurrgs is another, two lists have 4 gunboats, and 7 Zs shows up at #86 (with 6 whole appearances). So you could buy 1 of each conversion kit, 2 extra auzitucks, 1 extra gunboat, 1 extra scurrg, and 3 extra Zs (if you really must fly that 7 Z swarm) and fly any of the top 100 meta-wing lists from 1.0 atm. The only other list int he top 120 (since that's what the list goes up to) is 4 jumpmasters. And who KNOWS what's gonna happen with that ship in 2.0..

9 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, it's pretty obvious the boxes were designed for the one-ship-only meta crowd. If that is your collection, the kits are amazing.

Now, if they really wanted to make this work for the Epic crowd, the Epic conversions had better contain stuff for the huge ships, PLUS more dials for all the faction's small base statfighters.

It would be a nice olive branch to the Epic crowd.

Unfortunately, that data is not available.

The one-ship-only meta crowd. Except is has at least 2 of every ship.

2 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

yeah you cant use those for imperials

48 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Because faction cardboard is unique, with different initiative etc. it would be different colors and potentially have different stats. you could certainly use it for homebrew or custom games but you cant fly non imperial ties in an imperial list in anything official or against strangers

No one said anything about the bases, just the dials. If you have enough of the cardboard ship bases for imperial, there's nothing to say you can't use a rebel dial with an imperial base. It's perfectly legal in first edition, though its remotely possibly they'll rule you can't do the same in second edition. I doubt it though. Just comes down to how many bases you get. If they include enough generics to fly a full list of them (so 4 each of academy, obsidian and black squadron pilots) as well as 1 of each unique in the conversion kit, then another 2 of each generic in the core set + the uniques. you should have plenty of bases. It would take a minimum of 6 bases in the conversion kit just do the 12 generics, not even counting uniques. If you have 4 uniques, you're looking at 8 bases. You wouldn't be able to do a swarm of 8 academies, or 7 academies and howlrunner, but most people probably wouldn't anyway. You'll have howlrunner and some mix of other pilots. You probably want Iden Versio in a tie swarm for second edition, then that leaves you potentially 5 more fighters with a mix of academies or whatever else you can fit, partly depending how the bases are done.

I stop reading the first post after “my 1100 collection ”.

I mean, what is the point of being able to convert all? how could you play with even a quarter of this on a (or several ) table?

3 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

unless you have exactly the number of ships in the expansions, that makes no sense. Do you have exactly 2 of each ship only in the 3 primary factions?

No. I am short on some ships and over on some others. The 3 primary factions get 106 ships converted over with he three Conversion Kits. . I’ll have a few TIEs unconverted, and a jumpmaster. One TIE Aggressor. One Defender. One T-65. Some Kihraxzes and Scyks.

so...maybe ten unconverted ships. Better than 90% of my collection, or the bulk of it, as I said.

I forgot about first order and resistance stuff in my orignal count. 105 covers my rebel/Imperial/scum ships. Those 15 ships will convert over just fine a few months later. I’m not worried about it.

Those dozen or so unconverted ships? I am trading them to bring up my numbers on the ships where I’m short. The third defender I want to keep? I’ll find someone to trade that cardboard with for something I have less of and they have more of.

This doesn’t have to be this hard. Unless you’re desperate to convert 8 B-Wings and 12 TIE Fighters immediately into a ruleset that won’t even support Epic play for another year or so.

2 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Because faction cardboard is unique, with different initiative etc. it would be different colors and potentially have different stats. you could certainly use it for homebrew or custom games but you cant fly non imperial ties in an imperial list in anything official or against strangers

So we are getting now 6 sided cardboard to print the generics and unique on the same cardboard? I am already using those rebel TIE-Fighters in my 1.0 7 TIE crack swarm and I don't have any extra TIE-Fighters outside of 2 Sabin's ... because those look awesome and my wife wanted to fly 4 Rebel ones (now those lack indeed cardboard). Works just fine. Besides the dials are the old ones anyway for TIE-Fighters. ?

2 hours ago, ABXY said:

"scam"

People keep using this word.. I do not think it means what they think it means.

2 hours ago, ABXY said:

extort

This is a new one, and it is absolutely not what is happening.

Scamming people requires that they are trying to deceive. They are not. They are completely open and honest about what the conversion kits contain, and whilst they haven't posted the full rules yet, it's been less than a week of the 4 months before release. I have no doubt that they will do just that.

Extortion requires threat. And the threat that you can continue playing a game you already own if you don't buy a product... is not a threat. At all. Even not being able to go to their tournaments for the new one is not a threat.

FFG are not trying to scam you. They're not trying to extort you. They are not trying a cash grab in any sense except that they're charging money for products, and i you have an issue with that, I have bad news for you about the evils of capitalism

11 hours ago, tortugatron said:

Shut up nobody cares

And this is why this community is slowly convincing me that this game isn't worth being PAID $250 to return to.

6 minutes ago, Werewolf_nr said:

And this is why this community is slowly convincing me that this game isn't worth being PAID $250 to return to.

Every community has its ****wads. On both sides of the debate. Just ignore them and hopefully the threads like this will disappear too.

12 hours ago, nikk whyte said:

What would you prefer, to start from scratch?

What I'd prefer is not to have to pay out ridiculous amounts of money to continue to play with my ships. FFG have shown their true colours here. They should get into trading card games... oh wait...

12 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

So after crunching numbers, i realised something.

my 1100 collection contains epic ships. these wont be converted. it also contains both first order and resistance ships. i wouldn't update these. the total value of my non-converted ships is $400. this means I WOULD be converting $700 dollars worth of ships (1100 - 400)

So 1 core set, 2 scum conversions, 2 imp conversions, and 2 rebel conversions... thats $350.

$350 to convert $700. that is the math on this for me and many others. is that absurd money grab by FFG? we each get an opinion, but i say absolutely yes.

Well im sure you wont need to conver all of you faction, even less all of your ships because realisticly you will end up playing with maybe 3-5 ships at time. I just dont see the point on that. I got almost all the ships and upgrades of xwing 1.0 and I have no plan to convert all of them, im buying one conversion for scum and start from there!

20 minutes ago, madquest8 said:

What I'd prefer is not to have to pay out ridiculous amounts of money to continue to play with my ships. FFG have shown their true colours here. They should get into trading card games... oh wait...

You don't have to. You can keep playing with all of your ships for $0.

Buy one kit, Scan it it on your scanner. Print it out on your color printer and cut and glue the new stats to your old cardboard. The whole thing should run you $150 for the printer/scanner combo at office max if you dont have one. There is no way that I am going to pay for each of my ships to convert. I already paid for all this once.

Also remember that the conversion kit is $50 retail, im sure Miniature Market will have it for $35-40.

9 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Because faction cardboard is unique, with different initiative etc. it would be different colors and potentially have different stats. you could certainly use it for homebrew or custom games but you cant fly non imperial ties in an imperial list in anything official or against strangers

If you mark the ships properly, no casual will complain. you can also just borrow the 2 extra ships from someone for a tournament - I did this for my second game ever, and no one seemed to mind.

It's very simple and I'm sure someone else has already said this.

Only buy one kit per faction and trade or sell your duplicates for what you need.