I have a pretty large collection as well, but even in a huge 4-player epic game that took literally all day to play I only used a fraction of it. One conversion kit of each faction, plus either buying a couple extras and selling/trading off the excess components or buying other people's extras, and I'll have more than enough components to play pretty much anything, even if I have to use the "wrong" ship base to cover extras in the odd casual or epic game here and there.

It's still not an overly cheap investment, but I think there's this idea of "oh no I have tons of ships and I have to convert every single one them or I can't play" that is just not true. Even with a huge collection, you can realistically get by with a 150-300 dollar investment, which can be spread out and/or partially recovered to some degree.

And of course if you're just playing casual games at home and you're fine with how 1.0 plays, then it's totally fine to just stick with it.

23 minutes ago, KaLeu said:

Let's add up the Synergies:

Assuming that you buy new core + 3 conversion kits + Saw's Renegades you get combined

8 Z-95

4 X-Wing

4 Y-wing

6+2 TIEs (with the 2 Sabines TIEs. Bonus: If you didn't own a Sabine's TIE before, paint some yellow/orange on one of your TIEs and get it now for free)

Yes, it doesn't give you 4 B-Wings or 4-5 A-Wings or 5 Khiraz now, but there should be options in trading/proxy/ buying singles online later on.

In total I don't find it too bad.

Not to mention that some dials are not changing — one specific one reported is the TIE Fighter. Depending on cardboard base distribution, you can probably run more than 6 TIEs using your old dials, core+conversion kit.

depending on what other dials do not change, the sky is definitely not falling.

While I am not in Australia (US Michigan here), I can related to the OP. I have a massive collection.. how massive? I own at least 100 points of every ship (not including the last wave.. as thats one of each currently) plus at least 2 of each epic. All my ships are in battlefoam and army transport cases as I do not have a nice display area like the OP does.

I have this many because when I first was getting into the game, I went for deals where I would buy large collections as it was cheaper to buy 2nd hand than new. Later on, I would preorder everything. I loved the game so much I wanted to create and build a local X-Wing community. And I did. I ran a ton of demos supplying ships for multiple tables and even ran local tournament events supplying all the mats myself. Crazy? Maybe.. but I love the game and get enjoyment from creating an atmosphere that others enjoy playing. So.. did I personally play everything in my collection? No.. but every ship WAS played either by demo's/events etc.

Now.. I am what you'd call 2.0 curious. I love the idea of it and X-Wing getting back to roots where the upgrade cards and ship shenanigans didn't decide the game, but expanded it and where ultimately your flying skill, probability guessing, and dice luck wins the games. I'm not keen on some 2.0 things like the size the upgrades, integrating certain abilities into innate ship traits and a few others.. BUT I also haven't played 2.0 yet either and could change my mind once I play it. I also recognize that a game reboot is needed and, when I was super heavy into organized play etc, chasing cards felt just like a part of the game.. and now looking back at that I am glad that it's going away. What else I am not keen on is how this is affecting my local community.. players who literally jumped on board less than a year ago and happily built up a modest collection and loving the game (we all can remember when we first started, right? The excitement of each game. How hard it was to fly around asteroids.) are now facing 2.0 with purchases to convert. Most of them don't even have half of what's in those kits.. but may have more of one ship that they'd need two boxes. My community is not a wasteful one when it comes to collections... err.. except me. lol

Now, I am facing the pricing of upgrades. Yes, I know that I do not have to upgrade all at once and frankly there's no way. I also know that I didn't buy my collection all at once either (thank God!). Most of my community is looking towards myself to see what I intend to do. While they can make their own decisions, they tend to look at others to see the direction on how the community will go. Actually playing 2.0 will be the ultimate decider for many. I am also not looking to upgrade just for myself, but for others as demos.. one of my favorite aspects of the game - meeting new people and getting them involved with table top war games to expand a friendly gaming community. After all.. it's hard to put on demo events when you don't have enough tools necessary to show off the game properly. But this is also all on me. FFG isn't forcing me to do this. I can opt out, play 1.0 until the cows come home, or sell my collection. I choose 2.0 just like the OP can choose it or not.

What I won't do is balk at the pricing.. but more of looking at HOW I'm going to convert. WHEN I'm going to do it. And WHICH ones I'm going to convert first. Like I mentioned earlier.. my collection didn't happen over night and to think that a full collection conversion of our size will too is... well... a bit on the crazy side. Heck, I don't even know how I'm going to store and organize it all yet and to do so with my entire collection all at once is daunting. Kudos to those who can.. that's not me.

So, TLDR, I have a huge collection too. I have decided to jump on board with 2.0 regardless of the task ahead on conversions, storage and organizing. Because I've made the decision to go with 2.0, that also means I am ok with the pricing and knowingly won't convert all at once but have to do some planning on how many and when. You can choose to be on/off board with a new game system and either be happy about it, not happy about it, or watching from the sidelines as others make their decisions and having fun around you. I hobby and game for the fun, the community, and to let others enjoy it too. Why do YOU hobby and is 2.0 worth those reasons? Complaining will get you noticed and sometimes your voice heard.. but is it getting you where you want in the hobby?

Guys, I just bought 100 cars. Now it's going to cost me thousands and thousands of dollars to insure them.

What an outrage!

The problem is clearly with the insurance company, not my poor financial choices.

I have been playing since the very beginning (original Gencon release) and I have bought every single release except the C-Roc. So yeah I have a lot of upgrade kits to get. But my collection has taken me over 5 years to build. I always felt that X-wing was a pretty cheap game and though I sent a lot of money on it I had everything and could basically fly any combination I wanted. I spent a similar amount of money just to collect a single army for 40k, and I got out in when 7th edition meant that I had to pay $100 to play with what I already had. X-wing may seem similar, but there are a few huge differences.

First of all I am super excited for 2E X-wing. I loved X-wing 1E way more than I ever enjoyed 40k. And the new edition is going to make this game way way better. But I also get so much more. for under $100 I don’t just get a playable list with few playable variation the way a single 40k army is, you get a whole faction with thousands of totally different combinations all of it fresh, new and reworked.

I just spent a few hundred $ on Legion and Terrain and my game budget is really stretched right now, and I am not excited about the cost, but I so glad FFG has done this. I don’t blame them for charging us money for it. And I do feel like we get a really really good value.

3 hours ago, stet2 said:

IOne of my lists was a Black Sun list with 4 Star Vipers and 4 Z-95's.

What format was that for? Because there's no way that fits in a 100-point squad. And FFG really can't tailor these kits to accommodate every home-ruled format people might like to play in.

5 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

I'm not sure. Some dials I'll be able to keep, I might be able to keep using the old damage deck, but most of the cards and dials will worthless now.

Ah. I suspected as much.

I think this is where a big portion of the disconnect comes from. To me, my 1.0 stuff (even the ones that can't be jury-rigged to work in 2.0) hasn't lost value. I'm still gonna play with it after 2.0 comes out as some in my area won't be able to convert right away and I'm sure there will be some old lists that are impossible in 2.0 that I'll get an itch to play again.

Because of this, I see 2.0 as enhancing the value of my models rather then a paywalled path to keep them useful. And to go back to the original concept I asked you about on this thread, I don't see buying converters slowly as a ransom, but slowly enriching my collection.

Heck, I may just stick to one converter at the beginning instead of going whole hog so I can experience all the upgraded ships for that faction before moving on to the next.

Now, that's you and that's me. I'm not expecting you to take my view point as gospel and I won't be taking yours. Just wanted to see if there was something fundamental to find and I think I did.

8 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

About as much as my cards from the old decipher SWCCG.

Ran across a league still playing it a few years ago. It sounded like proxying was the primary method, but there were still some collections getting an airing and showing value.

I still don't get why people believe that entry to this 'new' version should be relatively automatic and cost free.

I bought ships for a game called x wing. They are beautiful and the game is great. I recieved my utility upon purchase and through play. I was not decieved.

I will get a core and one of each conversion kit. It leaves me short of 2 X wings and 2 Tie fighters.. BUT, The best thing is.... THEY DIDN'T make me buy Saw's Con Job in order to get the X wing fix! I just have to wait a while and buy into a new improved game. Respect!

To try and lend some perspective:

To upgrade 200+ models from WHFB to Kings of War cost me less than $40.

To upgrade 150+ models for 40k cost me $150, and usually costs only $110.

To upgrade 150+ models for SAGA cost me $55.

To upgrade 150+ models for Hail Caesar cost me $40.

To upgrade 50+ models for the Batman miniatures game was FREE.

To upgrade 50+ models for X Wing will cost me $450+. That's more than the cost of ALL my other recently upgraded miniatures games combined. And unlike X Wing, some of those are literally bringing old minis into brand new games.

So no, it's not good value or a good price, or a bargain or a reasonable cost to upgrade. It's exorbitant. I don't think it's reasonable to expect players to leave half or more of their collections locked behind a pay wall fr months or years while they save to pay for the conversion.

dont know a lot of those games, but I know for certain that the 40k conversion to kings of war is not something that's terribly "official". Kings o war did not provide the models, so it's not a terribly relevant comparison

And I know from experience that you have to be the luckiest sod alive to only have dropped $150 on an edition change of 40k given all the jerking around GW does.

I had to leave fantasy because I would have had to invest at least half of the $ I spent on my high elves to bring them back up to par, especially with the point decrease of units requiring more to be fielded at a standardized point level and the shuffling around of which core units were any dang good. Also, the rules changes displayed absolute minimal effort and were, in the majority of cases, a load of bull (**** off with random charge distances)

or when 40k buffed the high **** out of troop choices and rapid fire weapons so you had to buy more than a handful of those to play scenarios, provided you were playing a faction that had any troop choices worth a ****

the surface costs of these comparisons seem "reasonable", but they completely neglect the true costs of conversions to these new editions . I'm far more happy with FFG's transparency and with the extensive changes to gameplay they seem to have made.

44 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

To try and lend some perspective:

To upgrade 200+ models from WHFB to Kings of War cost me less than $40.

To upgrade 150+ models for 40k cost me $150, and usually costs only $110.

To upgrade 150+ models for SAGA cost me $55.

To upgrade 150+ models for Hail Caesar cost me $40.

To upgrade 50+ models for the Batman miniatures game was FREE.

To upgrade 50+ models for X Wing will cost me $450+. That's more than the cost of ALL my other recently upgraded miniatures games combined. And unlike X Wing, some of those are literally bringing old minis into brand new games.

So no, it's not good value or a good price, or a bargain or a reasonable cost to upgrade. It's exorbitant. I don't think it's reasonable to expect players to leave half or more of their collections locked behind a pay wall fr months or years while they save to pay for the conversion.

And i’ve already explained why your cries of “it’s not good” or “it’s not reasonable” don’t actually make sense to me. From my prospective (and I feel others as well), this change is adding value. Something we are willing to deal with that we feel gives good value for money and it is not unreasonable to take time to convert because it took time to build up our 1.0 collection to begin with.

All of those other games were converted in a single day. I could have converted them all on the SAME day, fr LESS than the price of the X Wing conversion, but it's reasonable not only for me to pay four times as much to convert one third as many models, but to spend months doing so because it's so expensive?

I am not impressed.

10 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

Look, no one buys a ship with no plan of ever using it. I mean, unless you're just collecting for it's own sake, but that's pretty rare I'd think.

My Scurrg, G1-A, Fang Fighter, Starviper, TIE F/O, Sabines TIE, Kirahxz, and TIE phantom would suggest otherwise.

Of course now with 2.0, the fact that I won't have to play them at all if I don't want to means they can go to someone who will actually fly them. (Which is what I should have done all along, But there's not many people that want a starviper without at least 1 copy of autothrusters.)

"I can afford to buy this massive collection. I won't buy more." -nobody who has a collection that size, ever.

8 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

All of those other games were converted in a single day. I could have converted them all on the SAME day, fr LESS than the price of the X Wing conversion, but it's reasonable not only for me to pay four times as much to convert one third as many models, but to spend months doing so because it's so expensive?

I am not impressed.

You can convert all your X-wing stuff on the same day, but why do you need to/want to? Don't tell me it's because you're going to immediately field everything. You might need 2 conversion kits if you're converting for you and a friend but still not as bad as your making it out to be.

You can also swap/sell the unused Expacs you need for stuff you do, probably right in your FLGS.

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

You can also swap/sell the unused Expacs you need for stuff you do, probably right in your FLGS.

Seriously, do this. I'm planning on trading my 3 lame gunboats for some awesome other Imperial stuff (like defenders) I actually want to play, as well as trading with a new player aggressively to get them what they want to run on day 1 with one conversion kit. trading is your friend.

14 hours ago, Duskwalker said:

Maybe, but unless you play epic on a regular basis the complaint of "My collection is so HUGE, I would need FIVE of EVERY kits to convert all of it!!!" is just as hollow.

Hey, that's me!!

9 hours ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

PS. I am predicting that someone will show up and say: ''I play Epic every week... So that is super important to me!''

Oh, look, this thread is about me again!!

15 hours ago, Woobyluv said:

No one said you had to do it all at once. One here, one there, spread it out, ease the pain... Or don't, your call.

Some of us are Band-Aid rippers. We can't help it.

Oh sure, hey does anyone want my two YT2400 kits? I'd like two X Wings in return. No one? I am Jacks complete lack of surprise.

Trading is going to be of limited utility. We all want the same ships, we will all have extras of the same ships.

I have never had to deal with an edition change even half as expensive as this one.

you are incredibly lucky to never have transitioned a GW version without paying well over what you need to pay for x-wing

also this "we all want the same ships and will all have extras of the same ships" is pretty bunk. the two big reasons are

1.) some people really aren't a fan of some of the ships they'll be getting (goddamn tie fighters and interceptors) regardless of how popular they are

2.) a lot of the ships we do and don't have are going through some q.o.l changes either directly or due to the changing game environment. this will adjust their desirability accordingly

plus there are some who haven't touched stuff like either of the yts because of their 1.0 playstyle that will be interested in trying them out in the new edition

18 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

"I can afford to buy this massive collection. I won't buy more." -nobody who has a collection that size, ever.

FFG better be right that you are right.

A business model that pisses of the consumers who have previously bought the most product seems ill-advised.

And I, for one, will never commit to 2.0 like I did to 1.0, even if I do move forward.

6 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

FFG better be right that you are right.

A business model that pisses of the consumers who have previously bought the most product seems ill-advised.

And I, for one, will never commit to 2.0 like I did to 1.0, even if I do move forward.

literally EVERY business model has pissed off consumers, especially where DLC or expansions are involved

for varying reasons of varying validity

it is not possible to not piss anyone off with anything, let alone a transition

this is not a special case, at all. relative to a lot of games, both digital and physical, it is actually very unremarkable in terms of scale

could be cheaper per kit, of course, but otherwise there's not much better you can do

18 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

literally EVERY business model has pissed off consumers, especially where DLC or expansions are involved

for varying reasons of varying validity

it is not possible to not piss anyone off with anything, let alone a transition

this is not a special case, at all. relative to a lot of games, both digital and physical, it is actually very unremarkable in terms of scale

could be cheaper per kit, of course, but otherwise there's not much better you can do

Agreed.

But Lackwit's comment states that massive buyers are just going to keep on buying.

Right now, FFG is generating a lot of Buyer's Remorse for those people. It will affect sales to that customer.

It may not hurt 2.0 as a product, but it hurt FFG's relationship with that customer.

So, if they guy that bought 12 widgets quits, and the average guy bought 2 widgets, they now need to find 5 more customers.

Well, I am looking forward to meeting new peeps attracted by the revamp of a game based on a very popular franchise

unless they're bad people, always possible

1 hour ago, Chucknuckle said:

To try and lend some perspective:

To upgrade 200+ models from WHFB to Kings of War cost me less than $40.

To upgrade 150+ models for 40k cost me $150, and usually costs only $110.

To upgrade 150+ models for SAGA cost me $55.

To upgrade 150+ models for Hail Caesar cost me $40.

To upgrade 50+ models for the Batman miniatures game was FREE.

To upgrade 50+ models for X Wing will cost me $450+. That's more than the cost of ALL my other recently upgraded miniatures games combined. And unlike X Wing, some of those are literally bringing old minis into brand new games.

So no, it's not good value or a good price, or a bargain or a reasonable cost to upgrade. It's exorbitant. I don't think it's reasonable to expect players to leave half or more of their collections locked behind a pay wall fr months or years while they save to pay for the conversion.

Lets completely ignore the difference in values in these games, cause I'm sure each unit in these games is equal to a one on one bases with an x-wing unit. its definitely not like for each one unit x-wing fields these other games usually field 10-30 so would need to expand your calculations to consider this. even more so is to be so disingenuous to compare upgrading one faction from each game to upgrading all x-wing factions at once as equivalent.