These kits really should be released as a free PDF for printing out; it's basically a box of cards and tokens for stuff you've already bought - printed onto sticker paper they could even be stuck over 1st ed existing tokens.

A poor move.

Noone is making you buy them.

It's basically a box of cards and tokens... that cost the designers more hours, blood, sweat and tears to make than any 50 bucks has ever bought you in X-Wing.

17 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

Noone is making you buy them.

True - they are however, required to play using 2nd rules.

For me, FFG are the best games company - Just saying it wouldve been a nice option for those content to patch their already hard earned purchases.

I will continue with 1st as I think this could've been handled better - with PDF upgrade sheets, I would've got a new core no question.

As someone who made PDF printouts for home brew sets (Scum version of the GR-75), I can tell you I would rather prefer the cardboard kits instead of simply printing them out on cardstock for a number of reasons. One of them is I don't have to mess with any tape.

YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR PAPER. YOU'RE PAYING FOR DESIGN (both graphic and cards) AND QUALITY. How many times this has to be repeated? Also, YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR WHAT YOU ALREADY BOUGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WERE BUYING AND YOU GOT IT. THIS IS A NEW EDITION CONVERSION KIT. There are tons of games which only contain cards and guess what PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THEM AND NOT COMPLAINING IT'S JUST PAPER FOR **** SAKE

EDIT: Also playing against poor quality homebrew components in tournaments defeats the idea of nice design because everything would look messy as ****.

It has always been required to have the official cards when participating in a tournament. This has not been a problem before, when people needed cards they would often buy several expansions to get them, or use ebay/trademe. However, if you don't intend to play at tournaments, you can just use the app. other than that, only a few expansions would be needed: eg. 2.0 core, + one or two larger ships for large bases. Since the bases have less info on them now, they are easier to use on other ships. If the conversion kits were free PDF, the people who will play at tournaments will need to re-buy their entire collection in 2.0 sets - very expensive!! (like way more than $1000 in many cases). This is comparatively cheap.

On a similar topic, These are some questions for people who dislike the high price of the conversion kit:

• Have you worked out what your entire collection cost you?
• What percent of that cost is one conversion kit (or how many you need to buy)?
• How much would it cost to re-buy all your ships in 2.0?

I know the kits aren't "cheap" unless you really stretch it (look, it's only $50! I could buy 98000 of them for the same price as it would cost to launch my satellite into orbit!), but they could also be a lot more expensive. I don't think I will buy enough for my whole collection, and I may sell parts I don't need to compensate for cost.

I think the issue several of us have is that one conversion kit won't cover the ships we have. Also, the argument I'm seeing is buy one faction conversion kit and one core set. Well that's nice, so which third of my collection do I decide to use for the foreseeable future. Ooh I get another two tie fighters and an X-wing that I'll never use because I already have a buttload of those.

The conversion kits could be a lot worse but it is a big pill to swallow, particularly for those who've invested this long in the game.

Also, this will never happen because understandably FFG likes money, but with the app being required now there should no longer be any need for official cards since everything can be in the app.

As for things looking messy? Meh. I would have zero problems playing against someone who's collection didn't look great because they'd printed out the new stuff.

23 minutes ago, Zura said:

YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR PAPER. YOU'RE PAYING FOR DESIGN

While this is true, it's worth remembering that the cost of design has been spread over the total volume of sales. The actual amount that you're paying for the R&D is probably less than a dollar per kit. Total production costs for the kit are probably less than ten dollars. The majority of the price is in markups from FFG to the retailer, and the retailer to you.

1 hour ago, Chucknuckle said:

While this is true, it's worth remembering that the cost of design has been spread over the total volume of sales. The actual amount that you're paying for the R&D is probably less than a dollar per kit. Total production costs for the kit are probably less than ten dollars. The majority o  f the price is in markups from FFG to the retailer, and the retailer to you. 

leaving aside the thousands of work-hours of designers, artist, accountants, janitors a ****-ton of other people that you need develop a product who all want to be paid, the costs for licensing, patents and all the other cost of running a company...

PRINTED CARDBOARD IS ******* EXPENSIVE!

So please stop talking about things you have clearly no idea of.

Printed cardboard is cheap. Super cheap. When the costs of R&D are spread over the total volume of sales the costs per-unit are tiny. My fifty dollars aren't going directly to the artists, developers, etc. Only a tiny percentage of the sticker price is required to pay for the development of the product. It's disingenuous to say "oh of course it costs fifty dollars, they have to pay for development!"

We know. Even with that cost factored in, many people feel the price of the conversion sets is too high.

5 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

Printed cardboard is cheap. Super cheap. When the costs of R&D a  re spread over the total volume of sales the costs per-unit are tiny. My fifty dollars aren't going directly to the artists, developers, etc. Only a tiny percentage of the sticker price is required to pay for the development of the product. It's disingenuous to say "oh of course it costs fifty dollars, they have to pay for development!" 

We know. Even with that cost factored in, many people feel the price of the conversion sets is too high. 

That is definitely a valid augment based on hard facts an not at all assumptions you pulled out of your ***.

3 hours ago, BoxerlessBossk said:

It's basically a box of cards and tokens... that cost the designers more hours, blood, sweat and tears to make than any 50 bucks has ever bought you in X-Wing.

Then don't play, Jesus, stop crying. Yes, FFG does like money, they're a company that went into this with the intention of making money. Just skip one burrito run a week and you'll have enough money by September.

Aww you don't get years worth of content for a new game free.

Diddums.

I, for one, welcome our new printed cardboard overlords.

2 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

Printed cardboard is cheap. Super cheap. When the costs of R&D are spread over the total volume of sales the costs per-unit are tiny. My fifty dollars aren't going directly to the artists, developers, etc. Only a tiny percentage of the sticker price is required to pay for the development of the product. It's disingenuous to say "oh of course it costs fifty dollars, they have to pay for development!"

We know. Even with that cost factored in, many people feel the price of the conversion sets is too high.

You don’t know the total volume of sales, so you don’t really know this. These aren’t iPhones.

5 hours ago, Dice lord said:

These kits really should be released as a free PDF for printing out; it's basically a box of cards and tokens for stuff you've already bought - printed onto sticker paper they could even be stuck over 1st ed existing tokens.

A poor move.

You could always make these yourselves. Create the artwork for the conversions yourself, print it on sticky paper and then on your stuff. Then it’s free to you. You can also borrow someone’s medium ship base and model it up and get it 3D printed. That way you don’t have to support the developers work.

29 minutes ago, Dpro said:

You could always make these yourselves. Create the artwork for the conversions yourself, print it on sticky paper and then on your stuff. Then it’s free to you. You can also borrow someone’s medium ship base and model it up and get it 3D printed. That way you don’t have to support the developers work.

Happy to do this - then I can support actual new things as they're developed - although tbh, not seeing much new product-wise atm.

5 minutes ago, Dice lord said:

Happy to do this - then I can support actual new things as they're developed - although tbh, not seeing much new product-wise atm.

Let me guess, you think every single upgrade and pilot in 2.0 just randomly appeared and took no playtesting or design at all? They're lazy ***** trying to bring x-wing back to life and redesigning 6+ years of game development right?

FFG releases T-65 fix in a 40 dollar expansion: "FFG TAKE MY MONEY!"

FFG releases a 50 dollar kit with hundreds of pilot cards, upgrades, dials, and bases, "**** YOU, FFG! MONEY-GRABBING EA WANNABES!"

12 minutes ago, StriderZessei said:

FFG releases T-65 fix in a 40 dollar expansion: "FFG TAKE MY MONEY!"

FFG releases a 50 dollar kit with hundreds of pilot cards, upgrades, dials, and bases, "**** YOU, FFG! MONEY-GRABBING EA WANNABES!"

Agreed. You sir, summed up my giant rant in two lines.

Well done.

I can't wait until everyone who thinks FFG is robbing us finally quits the game and stops posting about it.

The sooner, the better, please.

Some of us are rational and just want to be happy about it.

35 minutes ago, Zura said:

Let me guess, you think every single upgrade and pilot in 2.0 just randomly appeared and took no playtesting or design at all? They're lazy ***** trying to bring x-wing back to life and redesigning 6+ years of game development right?

This right here is why I am personally giving ffg another chance. They hopefully tested this stuff and that would explain completely the **** job they did balancing v1 and why it took so long. V1 pretty much turned into an extended beta test, didn’t start that way, but ffg painted themselves in a fine corner with that trainwreck a VERY vocal group of people say is good. Haven’t found it good for years and really hoping they were taking notes on what went wrong in v1 and fix a lot of the CRAP for this version. It is hope for a brighter future, ball is squarely in ffg’s court. What they do with it is all on them now.

And yes I know they had record numbers at the last tournaments but I am betting a good % of those people are on board for this, while many who left or new blood come to the scene. The toxicity of this board is as many have said NOT representative of the community.

11 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

This right here is why I am personally giving ffg another chance. They hopefully tested this stuff and that would explain completely the **** job they did balancing v1 and why it took so long. V1 pretty much turned into an extended beta test, didn’t start that way, but ffg painted themselves in a fine corner with that trainwreck a VERY vocal group of people say is good. Haven’t found it good for years and really hoping they were taking notes on what went wrong in v1 and fix a lot of the CRAP for this version. It is hope for a brighter future, ball is squarely in ffg’s court. What they do with it is all on them now.

And yes I know they had record numbers at the last tournaments but I am betting a good % of those people are on board for this, while many who left or new blood come to the scene. The toxicity of this board is as many have said NOT representative of the community.

I agree with this 100% - I'll wait and see how it pans out come release date.