The tournament scene doesn’t make or break this game. It is the casual players. Someone of note, with backing, needs to pick up the mantle of providing content to the non-tournament players which make up 70%+ of destiny. If you don’t want it to dwindle (not die), you need to find someome willing to do the less flashy work and compile lists that are reasonable for the casual player to put together to compete against other lists also created by the same group of users. People just want a list of twenty, or so, decks that can be put together and have a good enough chance to win against each other. Obviously, decks don’t pilot themselves and an experienced player picking up the deck in the series will likely beat the inexperienced player more often than not, but that doesn’t change the need for it. If you look at swdestinydb.com, you have zero ideas for the most part, unless you are experienced, which decks are good and which are rubbish. So change that. Alter the points if need to as well, as the regular joe doesn’t give a crap about regulations as he or she is playing with their friends in homes, not stores. X-wing 2.0 just admitted this fundamental concept that the design staff is both falibale and understaffed and it is up to players to take action to fix their game...not FF’s—x-wing which I love has been broken long before now. The cannibalization of FF gamer interest makes it imperative to do so. So many games, too little time. While Destiny can’t have a FF app like x-wing, your group could fill that void. Jyn might need to be 13/17 or whatever...so have that debate. Come up with interesting ideas to make old characters consider fridge viable with a card or to! They did that with “indomitable.” Take Palpatine and Gamorrean Guard, add a yellow 2 cost upgrade with indirect damage, melee, and range etc. If you build it, they will come...and FF will start recognizing. That will keep the game alive. Not the tournament players, and that scene, who don’t give two $hits about 75 of the useless cards. That scene doesn’t pay the bills brothers and sisters.

Look, I own like 4-8 of every valuable die and 10-12 cards of each factions to build multiple decks coupled with the twice number neutrals because I only play with the wife and hero and villains needs to have their own secret allotment. However, I can only make sooooo meta decks. Hey, the meta is great, but remember how much fun it was when you couldn’t reliable finish in 5-6 turns and the build up was slower. Some of you commentators are doing disservice to a ton players who don’t always want a 5-6 wham bam thank you Ma’am of game. Some just want to sit back with a glass of wine or bourbon and chill. Screw the meta....24/7. Casual players turn into tournament players if your let them mature like caterpillars into butterflies, but at first couldn’t give a rat’s *** about the meta.

However, not a single soul has thought ...hmmm, if I market my content toward the beginners frustrated that their current collection sucks in meta form, but is fine in its own right, we might gain more converts. If I trust the process in the end, we might all gain more followers of the game...true acolytes. Too many people just don’t see the long game...and their is patreons and money in the long game. It is always A to B for most people. You got to realize that you are winning hearts and minds like any “rebellion” and you need someone, some people, to put in the hard nose work of make stater like decks without crap like x-8s, Force speeds, ancient lightsabers, Yoda, etc. and instead focus on making IG-88, Jyn, etc. work on a budget. Or if you use force speeds etc. do so to make normal characters combos rise up to other combos considered better suited for combat together.

If it means IG-88 1shield side is really considered a 1 range and his 2 shield is free instead of pay ok, maybe? Figure it out.

Yet none of you should put there complaining or watching on the sidelines while your game goes into decline wants to do the hard work that meets the meek, meets the masses. Washing feet is too passé for you, too in the trenches. You all want the admiration of the meta gang. You all want to shoot with fadeaways like LeBron or Jordan het off none of you are ready to do yeoman’s work if you want Destiny to succeed. The success of Destiny is not won or lost in the FLGS or the tournaments, but in the home. Adjust the points to make characters that are crap work. Argue about the new changes. Be the change you want to see in Destiny. Have the dream.

You may consider that casual gaming often implies just not investing heavily into a single game. Play destiny? Have fun with a few starters plus random boosters. Pick your characters, draft for decks from the available open pile of cards, play. Enforce or lift play restrictions depending on the available number of cards. There is more randomness in this than in optimized decks, but why not?

To build any given deck, meta or not, you need the cards/dice, so outside starter decks, deck lists are meaningless if the collection is small. Some written guidelines how to balance a deck or match upgrades etc. to character types might be useful for the casual player (youtube videos which cost time to watch -- not so much).

Putting in hard work? That doesn't sound much like a game to me. We're in a rut right now, its not a very exciting time to be a destiny fan. I'm more excited about X-wing 2.0 and I sold all my stuff for that game a couple months back

Speaking of IG88, it would be nice if he was priced like Cad, 13/17. I think he is high because he has those two and three non paid sides, and a situationally good special, but you have to roll (or control into) the special. If you don't have upgrades in your discard pile, he basically has two blanks which maybe kind of helps justify a lower price cost.

But maybe that would be too broken, especially with Pryce coming out in a week and a half...

Either way, I'll keep waiting for a balance of the Force or an IG88 2.0.

They clearly aren’t going to balance point downward. They will just release an IG-88 C etc. they will remove characters but not enable character beyond release new characters or cards. They really need a small $30 box set that captures keywords on the characters. FF is about selling and moving product. That is the only option that will work. They think 1-2 quarters ahead and don’t have the vision to increase the value of peoples’ collection without linking it to more product. They will never understand, “The first hit is on us” concept of marketing. $99 for the Armada box set and $75 on sale was the biggest mistake they made on that game. They just don’t get how to get people hooked. They are masters of creating great, great games. They just are mediocre marketers. They don’t have a chess player’s turn of mind. For pete’s sake, entire destiny collections of every set with two of every cards, binders, etc. can be had for $575-750. Ouch.

Fantasy Flight doesn’t understand the economics of a CCG—at least not yet. They may change, but their court vision at the moment is limiting. However, I have hope. At least I can make multiple decks for much, much cheaper now. Go I got that going for me...

bout the only house rule my friends and i have come up with is Force Throw specials need a pay side. We'd like one to cost a resource and one to not like some more newer abilities but without physically modding the die we cant really do that.

Its the only upgrade that consistently changes the ebb and flow of the game on its own regardless of who has it. Ive lost count how many times ive lost because of that card not having a pay side where my opponent would "My Ally Is The Force" it with his 2 resources and then resolve it again to negate my turn. Had it cost a resource that would be possible, but not anywhere near as easy.