26 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

Was it Dash/Poe?

No clue. Seems like it. That makes the faction breakdown 11 Rebels, 4 Imperials, 1 Scum.

Most-played Pilots, as I'm sure will shock nobody: Fenn- 6, Low- 6, Miranda- 4, Quickdraw- 3-4(don't know if Duncan's list had QD, assuming yes), Ezra- 3

The top 16 lists have 8 TLTs. 9/11 Rebel lists have a turret, the other two include Low and a sheathipede. 3/4 Imperial lists have palpatine. Two lists with only forward firing arcs, control brobots and Howard's Palp Aces

1 minute ago, mdl0114 said:

No clue. If so that makes the faction breakdown 11 Rebels, 4 Imperials, 1 Scum.

Most-played Pilots, as I'm sure will shock nobody: Fenn- 6, Low- 6, Miranda- 4, Quickdraw- 3-4(don't know if Duncan's list had QD, assuming yes), Ezra- 3

The top 16 lists if Dash/Poe is the last one would have 8 TLTs. 9/11 Rebel lists would have a turret, the other two had Low and a sheathipede. 3/4 Imperial lists had palpatine. The only list with only forward firing arcs would be the control brobots, unless Duncan Howard's aces didn't include QD.

Duncan flew Ryad, Quiz, and Yorr.

1 minute ago, mdl0114 said:

No clue. If so that makes the faction breakdown 11 Rebels, 4 Imperials, 1 Scum.

Most-played Pilots, as I'm sure will shock nobody: Fenn- 6, Low- 6, Miranda- 4, Quickdraw- 3-4(don't know if Duncan's list had QD, assuming yes), Ezra- 3

The top 16 lists if Dash/Poe is the last one would have 8 TLTs. 9/11 Rebel lists would have a turret, the other two had Low and a sheathipede. 3/4 Imperial lists had palpatine. The only list with only forward firing arcs would be the control brobots, unless Duncan Howard's aces didn't include QD.

Duncan was LW Ryad not QD

5 minutes ago, SnooSnarry said:

Duncan flew Ryad, Quiz, and Yorr.

5 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

Duncan was LW Ryad not QD

Awesome, thanks, top 16 complete then until someone tells me we're way off on one or more lists!

I'm surprised everyone is still in here looking! I kind of thought this died.

...um, hi?

14 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I'm surprised everyone is still in here looking! I kind of thought this died.

...um, hi?

So in 2.0 will it be "Hi Travis!" instead of "Hi Chris!" from 1.0?

2 minutes ago, RStan said:

So in 2.0 will it be "Hi Travis!" instead of "Hi Chris!" from 1.0?

THAT'S MY JOHNSON

On 5/4/2018 at 8:21 AM, viedit said:

Curious...on slide 22 is there a reason why Lothal Rebel didn't show up on there? If ghost/fenn accounts for around 15% of the overall cut, I would think that the lothal would at least be represented in that table.

Nitpick on that aside, love info this as much as the field loves TLT upgrades!

Mostly because almost ALL VCXs were ghost fenn. I was running out of space, so I saved space for interesting points that were not as obvious (except K-Wings and Miranda - that was to make a point).

10 hours ago, RynoZero said:

will you be covering some of the slides in an upcoming episode? Because I would love to hear about your process for compiling this and some of the decisions (eg. why >2% is "Top Meta"). Also cant wait to try using 6 week aggregations for myself instead, i never got good data out of grouping by week for trend analysis.

So, the 2% threshold was mostly picked because there was a clear "tiering" of lists at hat threshold (meaning a lot dropped below it after 2%). Basically, unless a hypothesis requires you to pick that upfront, a lot of times after you have data, you'll see that it seperates at interesting points for you, and those become your tiers/thresholds. Just coincidence it was ~2% this time (plus, it wasn't always 2% for each 6-week segment, as you'll see some lists drop off or come on from the 2% mark).

2 hours ago, mdl0114 said:

No clue. Seems like it. That makes the faction breakdown 11 Rebels, 4 Imperials, 1 Scum.

Most-played Pilots, as I'm sure will shock nobody: Fenn- 6, Low- 6, Miranda- 4, Quickdraw- 3-4(don't know if Duncan's list had QD, assuming yes), Ezra- 3

The top 16 lists have 8 TLTs. 9/11 Rebel lists have a turret, the other two include Low and a sheathipede. 3/4 Imperial lists have palpatine. Two lists with only forward firing arcs, control brobots and Howard's Palp Aces

This, the shocker.

Conspiracy Theory: maybe FFG had some 'other-worldly' control in Europe to push the future 2.0, as it is supposed to bring the game back to its lovely genesis, <90% firing arcs, flying on a knife's edge, and unknown opposing dials.

52 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:

and unknown opposing dials.

One might argue that the control bots have a tendency to know some dials...

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

One might argue that the control bots have a tendency to know some dials...

If a dial is not set, it's technically unknown.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

If a dial is not set, it's technically unknown.

It could have been ANYTHING, even a 1-straight!

3 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Conspiracy Theory: maybe FFG had some 'other-worldly' control in Europe to push the future 2.0, as it is supposed to bring the game back to its lovely genesis, <90% firing arcs, flying on a knife's edge, and unknown opposing dials. 

My ****-Posting Theory: The US meta is a bucket of net-decking crabs and the Euros actually know how to play good x-wing.

4 minutes ago, kris40k said:

My ****-Posting Theory: The US meta is a bucket of net-decking crabs and the Euros actually know how to play good x-wing.

I AM THE KING CRAB

ANY PUNY CRABS WHO DISAGREE WILL BE THROWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BUCKET

9 minutes ago, kris40k said:

My ****-Posting Theory: The US meta is a bucket of net-decking crabs and the Euros actually know how to play good x-wing.

Minus all the other Euros that also played a crapton of meta...

14 minutes ago, kris40k said:

My ****-Posting Theory: The US meta is a bucket of net-decking crabs and the Euros actually know how to play good x-wing.

Euros? Are we forgetting Brexit? Isn't Britain its own continent now?

12 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Minus all the other Euros that also played a crapton of meta...

That is true!

7 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Euros? Are we forgetting Brexit? Isn't Britain its own continent now?

That is also true!

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Haven't they figured out a way to get themselves out of that mess or is the EU holding them to the Corpus Juris Civilis precedent of No-Take-Backsies?

In any case, I am just amused by all the conventional wisdom/bs/talk of turret-wing, Miranda is the best ship in the game, arcs need Harpoons to matter, ion sucks, brobots were powercrept to t2 at best, let alone t1 or s-tier, blah blah.

But, ya know, World's was just a single data point, right? Anecdotal.

36 minutes ago, kris40k said:

In any case, I am just amused by all the conventional wisdom/bs/talk of turret-wing, Miranda is the best ship in the game, arcs need Harpoons to matter, ion sucks, brobots were powercrept to t2 at best, let alone t1 or s-tier, blah blah.

But, ya know, World's was just a single data point, right? Anecdotal.

Your interpretation is very different from mine.

My interpretation is to expect a lot of the bs/turret-wing/Miranda and such. Outliers do happen, but until they do happen in enough quantity they are statistically insignificant meaning that they could be occurring due to luck/skill/some other unknown factor. It could be the beginning of a new trend when something new pops up, but more often than not it's not developed into any such thing. The math shows the trends, it does not predict the eventual winner of any one event.

Edit: It occurs to me you might be kidding, and it was another joke I've missed... that tends to happen a bit...

7 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

So, the 2% threshold was mostly picked because there was a clear "tiering" of lists at hat threshold (meaning a lot dropped below it after 2%). Basically, unless a hypothesis requires you to pick that upfront, a lot of times after you have data, you'll see that it separates at interesting points for you, and those become your tiers/thresholds. Just coincidence it was ~2% this time (plus, it wasn't always 2% for each 6-week segment, as you'll see some lists drop off or come on from the 2% mark).

perfect, i lay out my data differently and still see that same thing. i normally group my archetypes data by count of archetype in Swiss, Top Cut, Final Table and sort by number of top cuts because im looking for lists with high conversion from swiss to top cut to fly at events. and you still see archetypes with for example 10+ top cuts like ghost fenn, 100pt ace, etc and you can see the archetypes top cut count suddenly drop off a cliff down to 5 or less top cuts with dash +1, rey +1, etc sitting on that bubble.

Great data collection - thanks for sharing. I personally only miss Lowhhrick, Sheatipede, + in the summaries and also think that splitting up rey + lowhhrick and rey + poe would make sense as they performed quite differently.

Edit: never mind - should have read the appendix before posting

16 hours ago, kris40k said:

In any case, I am just amused by all the conventional wisdom/bs/talk of turret-wing, Miranda is the best ship in the game, arcs need Harpoons to matter, ion sucks, brobots were powercrept to t2 at best, let alone t1 or s-tier, blah blah.

But, ya know, World's was just a single data point, right? Anecdotal.

I think you might be viewing what happened at worlds through the wrong lens: this data would never try and predict a winner, but it would try and predict the competitive field and general cut distribution.

to that end, it appears pretty spot on. Miranda was everywhere, and 4/16 (5/16?) of the top cut.

just like mindlink ‘won’ worlds last year, Miranda ‘won’ worlds this year, in evey sense that matters. You could make a similar argument for palp aces (again).

Rephrased, if you went to a kit tournament of say, 30 people, and you win with whatever you brought.

But as you’re winning you’re surrounded by the same 1 or 2 ships on either side of you each and every round... that must have been a good, strong ship or list.

it doesn’t take away from YOUR win, but neither does it remove the fact you were surrounded and saturated by a ship or list.