It's easy to build a large X-Wing collection over time. Oh, I have the original and the aces kit version, but I could use a 3rd one for this list here. This epic ship is on huge discount. Someone was selling/trading their X-Wing collection for other gaming stuff I don't really want. I don't have a problem, I just buy a ship or two a month.

Conversion kits hold up a mirror to this.

I don't know how it happened, I just wound up with 12 TIE Fighters. I only had 2 for the longest time, and then only the Rebel TIE expansion, until long after I had 6 TIE FO. And I just got a 7th TIE FO two weeks back since it was on clearance at Barnes and Noble and I had a giftcard...

So now I'm being confronted with the prospect of double kits for all three factions, and then First Order/Resistance after that. How much of this is me actually being missish about the cost of the conversions, and how much is me not wanting to look at the sheer amount of money and time I've invested in this over the years? The change and conversion to second edition strips away the obfuscations of incremental purchases. A lot of us have spent a tonne on this game, and until it gets totaled up, it's easy to forget.

That's not on FFG, per se. I think it's fine to wish conversion kits had a few more copies of this or that in them. Really, this is on me, and on other players like me. Still, I know I'm going to be itchy for months, not buying that second TIE Silencer, even though running more than one of the 32 point generics looks so sweet.

I feel your pain. I own three Lambda Shuttles.

Somehow I ended up with 4 falcons, and obviously I’m going to need a solo version once it gets released. No id ea how that happened. I’ve got something like 15 tie fighters and 7 FO ties, so on and so on.

Im not at all frustrated by the conversion kits. I don’t need new cards and dials for all that, just enough to play with, and 1 kit per faction and a core should cover that no prob.

Throwing a curve-ball out there...

... what if the conversion kit quantities are an indication of planned squad composition limits?!

?

31 minutes ago, ABXY said:

Throwing a curve-ball out there...

... what if the conversion kit quantities are an indication of planned squad composition limits?!

?

Nope. In interview they said that they just had to make some sacrifices in those sets but 2x set gives you every possible list, so somw strange swarms need double kit.

8 Interceptors.

I am super screwed (though I have a ton of awesome models)

7 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

It's easy to build a large X-Wing collection over time. Oh, I have the original and the aces kit version, but I could use a 3rd one for this list here. This epic ship is on huge discount. Someone was selling/trading their X-Wing collection for other gaming stuff I don't really want. I don't have a problem, I just buy a ship or two a month.

Conversion kits hold up a mirror to this.

I don't know how it happened, I just wound up with 12 TIE Fighters. I only had 2 for the longest time, and then only the Rebel TIE expansion, until long after I had 6 TIE FO. And I just got a 7th TIE FO two weeks back since it was on clearance at Barnes and Noble and I had a giftcard...

So now I'm being confronted with the prospect of double kits for all three factions, and then First Order/Resistance after that. How much of this is me actually being missish about the cost of the conversions, and how much is me not wanting to look at the sheer amount of money and time I've invested in this over the years? The change and conversion to second edition strips away the obfuscations of incremental purchases. A lot of us have spent a tonne on this game, and until it gets totaled up, it's easy to forget.

That's not on FFG, per se. I think it's fine to wish conversion kits had a few more copies of this or that in them. Really, this is on me, and on other players like me. Still, I know I'm going to be itchy for months, not buying that second TIE Silencer, even though running more than one of the 32 point generics looks so sweet.

Unless you plan on playing epic you don't need that many conversions.

I think many players have this problem. I own 18 TIEs, 3 Lambdas, 5 Firesprays (no idea how this happened), 6 Defenders, 8 Interceptors......

There is no problem that I need to buy a few conversion kits. But when I want to have all the dials it will take forever to have nuff money to buy the kits. And even when I do I will have loads of dials I will never need. So I hope there will be official dials or dial sets that can be bought since many of the dials seem to change from V1 to V2. (Cards and pilots should be nuff if just buyin 2 kits each.)

Otherwise I will have to get them somewhere else and everyone can imagine that the TIE-dials will become pretty expensive pretty fast since those are needed the most (at least I assume that).

I really like V2 as its planned to come by now (although I changed my mind after hating it first) but the problem still is I will need to spend at least 600$ (pretty sure it will be more in the end) to convert my current fleet to V2. Since for most players the basic conversion kits will be enough if bought once or twice players with greater fleets will have a real problem. I have no idea how many casuals are around and how many tournament players but I am pretty sure that casuals are by far more. And I am also pretty sure that many of those casuals prefer custom formats. And this group of players (where I assume are the most in x-wing) will suffer most from the changes and I can imagine many will not be willing to invest huge amounts to keep on playin and remain stuck at V1.

So a split of communities WILL come. Now it is up to FFG to create more conversions to keep the "old-schoolers" as minor as possible. With the currently planned conversion kits it could get really problematic. But - of course - I might be wrong and be within an minority and all will be fine

Holy christ. If you need more conversion sets for specific ships there are a ton of sites that will sell you just the ones you need at a good price. You don't need 5 kits just so you can convert your 12 ties you won't even fly all at once. Be smart with your choices.

I don't play x-wing often, but when I do, I play with 4 falcons, or 6 interceptors or 3 lambdas........

Okay, I get getting a little stupid with the impulse buys but you don't need to convert the entire collection. Safe to say you won't be flying 3 lambdas.

1 minute ago, Mep said:

... Safe to say you won't be flying 3 lambdas.

Don't be so sure, that thing can shoot backwards now!

( we think )

1 minute ago, ABXY said:

Don't be so sure, that thing can shoot backwards now!

( we think )

I agree one will be usable. Two though? I doubt 3. Yeah some people have stupid big collections but you don't need to convert all your ships.

1 minute ago, Mep said:

I agree one will be usable. Two though? I doubt 3. Yeah some people have stupid big collections but you don't need to convert all your ships.

Yeah. I have a stupid big collection. I don’t really see any reason to get new cards and dials for all of it.

Once more for the road: you don't have to convert your entire collection. You can only get one set per faction and you'll *probably never notice the difference*.

Honestly, when was the last time you ran more than one Lambda, let alone 3 or 4?

3 hours ago, Goseki1 said:

Holy christ. If you need more conversion sets for specific ships there are a ton of sites that will sell you just the ones you need at a good price. You don't need 5 kits just so you can convert your 12 ties you won't even fly all at once. Be smart with your choices.

I don't mean to single you out here but I see a lot of comments like this. In theory it could work, but the supply and demand dynamics as a result of the kit breakdown is going to make the reality very different from what some are expecting. In short, the high demand (and with little supply) for some ship parts is going to drive up prices on those, and it will be hard to find these at a "good price". You only need to look back at the prices of the high demand cards from the Epic sets to see how it works out in practice. From my own perspective, despite the duplicates included in the Raider pack, I could never find the TIE Advanced cards for a price that was good (less than a fiver each).

I plan on repurposing my surplus ships as stand-ins for the ships I don't have.

A TIE/v1's just an upgraded TIE fighter anyway. Now it looks like one too.

5 minutes ago, redxavier said:

I don't mean to single you out here but I see a lot of comments like this. In theory it could work, but the supply and demand dynamics as a result of the kit breakdown is going to make the reality very different from what some are expecting. In short, the high demand (and with little supply) for some ship parts is going to drive up prices on those, and it will be hard to find these at a "good price". You only need to look back at the prices of the high demand cards from the Epic sets to see how it works out in practice. From my own perspective, despite the duplicates included in the Raider pack, I could never find the TIE Advanced cards for a price that was good (less than a fiver each).

That's because they came in a super costly quite limited epic ship. The conversion kits are going to be hugely available. Massively so.

You'll be fine. What extra ship dials/cards/bases outwith the conversion kits/core sets do you need realistically for a list you actually want to run? (Not including for epic)

12 minutes ago, Goseki1 said:

That's because they came in a super costly quite limited epic ship. The conversion kits are going to be hugely available. Massively so.

You'll be fine. What extra ship dials/cards/bases outwith the conversion kits/core sets do you need realistically for a list you actually want to run? (Not including for epic)

The kits are going to be widely available yes, but few people are going to have spares of some ships, while simultaneously needing more of those same ships. There are going to be a lot of us in the same boat. The only people who are really going to make TIEs, B-wings and X-wings etc. available are the stores, and they're going to be charging appropriately. Highly sought after materials are always sold at higher cost. That's the point, the Epic ship cards example was just an example of it actually happening. Some are kidding themselves that they'll find what they want cheaply.

And if the ultimate solution is to simply ditch two of our X-wing models because the core set and Saw pack will give us a new one each (making the total squad of 4) then that's not quite the easy conversion some of us had in mind.

12 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

It's easy to build a large X-Wing collection over time. Oh, I have the original and the aces kit version, but I could use a 3rd one for this list here. This epic ship is on huge discount. Someone was selling/trading their X-Wing collection for other gaming stuff I don't really want. I don't have a problem, I just buy a ship or two a month.

Conversion kits hold up a mirror to this.

I don't know how it happened, I just wound up with 12 TIE Fighters. I only had 2 for the longest time, and then only the Rebel TIE expansion, until long after I had 6 TIE FO. And I just got a 7th TIE FO two weeks back since it was on clearance at Barnes and Noble and I had a giftcard...

So now I'm being confronted with the prospect of double kits for all three factions, and then First Order/Resistance after that. How much of this is me actually being missish about the cost of the conversions, and how much is me not wanting to look at the sheer amount of money and time I've invested in this over the years? The change and conversion to second edition strips away the obfuscations of incremental purchases. A lot of us have spent a tonne on this game, and until it gets totaled up, it's easy to forget.

That's not on FFG, per se. I think it's fine to wish conversion kits had a few more copies of this or that in them. Really, this is on me, and on other players like me. Still, I know I'm going to be itchy for months, not buying that second TIE Silencer, even though running more than one of the 32 point generics looks so sweet.

This is probably the most wonderfully elegant and truthful post on the conversion I’ve seen so far. I am looking at a big X-Wing collection that is all acquired in the last six months and has mostly been collecting dust. Forcing to look at the upgrade all at once is also forcing me to ask whether this is really good use of my money in the first place or if it’s just something that really belongs in the ever expanding list of “I’d love to, but who has the time?” things that are better left to daydreaming.

And it also highlights that the “potential” of the game rather than our actual games played provides some value. I like looking at my boxes and knowing I have a ton of ships and cards all neatly packed in their microhangars. So knowing there’s a new and updated version out there that my ships aren’t compatible with is going to bug a lot of people and hurt their sense of satisfaction - no matter how many times some know it all says “you don’t have to convert all 10 of your TIE Fighters.” Yes. No one HAS to do anything.

Anyway thanks for the articulate post. Good luck with your own choices and I hope you have fun with whatever you do.

1 hour ago, redxavier said:

The kits are going to be widely available yes, but few people are going to have spares of some ships, while simultaneously needing more of those same ships. There are going to be a lot of us in the same boat. The only people who are really going to make TIEs, B-wings and X-wings etc. available are the stores, and they're going to be charging appropriately. Highly sought after materials are always sold at higher cost. That's the point, the Epic ship cards example was just an example of it actually happening. Some are kidding themselves that they'll find what they want cheaply.

And if the ultimate solution is to simply ditch two of our X-wing models because the core set and Saw pack will give us a new one each (making the total squad of 4) then that's not quite the easy conversion some of us had in mind.

I think you're being highly cynical about the expected availability of spares going forward. It remains to be seen, so it's a but pointless us arguing about it but I don't think it's reasonable for certain folks to complain they have to buy 2 plus conversion kits specifically so they can convert 4+of their ships. There will be tons of spares going.

It's really the most elegant solution FFG could have come up with I think.

My thought on the conversion kits is they're saying, "Don't run lists with eight TIE Interceptors. It scares the new people away."

6 hours ago, falveryn said:

Unless you plan on playing epic you don't need that many conversions.

5 hours ago, Goseki1 said:

Holy christ. If you need more conversion sets for specific ships there are a ton of sites that will sell you just the ones you need at a good price. You don't need 5 kits just so you can convert your 12 ties you won't even fly all at once. Be smart with your choices.

3 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Once more for the road: you don't have to convert your entire collection. You can only get one set per faction and you'll *probably never notice the difference*.

Honestly, when was the last time you ran more than one Lambda, let alone 3 or 4?

I mean, it's not about need. I'm sure I'm not getting more than two, and more realistically, I'm going to try to find local folks to go halves with.

It's about the fact that thinking about how many I "need" forces me to confront my X-Wing collection honestly. The kits are just the prompt, and a lot of my trepidation isn't about the kits , it's about what I've already sunk into this game.

2 hours ago, Firespray-32 said:

I plan on repurposing my surplus ships as stand-ins for the ships I don't have.

A TIE/v1's just an upgraded TIE fighter anyway. Now it looks like one too.

The TAP/v1 is one of the ships I'm most curious about. This and the E-Wing. These are ships which don't quite fit in, except for the Inquisitor and Corran. They're too similar to other ships, but also expensive, without a lot to show for it. I'm keen to see where they go with them.

6 hours ago, shadowfriend said:

But  when I want to have all the dials it will take forever to have  nuff  money to b  uy the kits. And even when I do I will have loads of dials I will nev  er  need  .  

Unless you’re going to an official FFG tournament you can use your old dials. If it’s different (a lot aren’t) you can either errata your dial with a marker, or print a sticker and slap it on.

This is the absolute least of your worries.

12 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I mean, it's not about need. I'm sure I'm not getting more than two, and more realistically, I'm going to try to find local folks to go halves with.

It's about the fact that thinking about how many I "need" forces me to confront my X-Wing collection honestly. The kits are just the prompt, and a lot of my trepidation isn't about the kits , it's about what I've already sunk into this game.

Hah, it's a fair point. I won a store tournam the other day and chose alt art Quickdraw over metal shield tokens. To say I was gutted would be an understatement. Ultimately though it's the best thing they could have done for the game.