2 minutes ago, Ram said:

I am behind on my reading up on 2.0 I feel. Looking at an example scenario here, how much would fielding, using my 1.0 ships, four or fixe X-wings cost me?

Four?

Core Set, Rebel conversion kit = 3, and the last one you get in Saw's Renegades as that X-Wing comes with a 2.0 version of those ships already. So $120-ish.

Five? More like $170 or a good trade.

If you have Saw's to run fixed xwings in 1.0, you'll have 4 total

1 saws

1 new core

2 conversion kit

Not counting what you trade for or search for on third party markets as people inveitably offload the conversion parts for models they don't have

That is another valid point and one i see many 40k players repeat over and over again.
"I dont like this army any more so imma sell it" -> *sells $2500 army for $500* -> fastforward a couple years "I wanna play that army again" -> *buys new army* -> repeat forever and ever
You result in such a massive sink in money doing that. I have one friend that has owned i kid you not 12 armies over the past 3 years and only actually has 1 still. He even had Tyranids twice over those 3 years...

Also, people, please do not expect to be able to run the same favorite lists you currently have. Remember a TON of upgrades are flatout going away and several others totally reworked, dont buy 2 conversion kits so you can run your favorite 4x of a ship list when you have no idea if you even CAN anymore yet

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Second, you can continue to play for what you already paid: Xwing 1.0

If you want to play a new game, Xwing 2.0, and are allowed to convert your old stuff, why would that be free?

THANK YOU! This man speaks wisdom, everybody.

FFG is not forcing anybody to buy anything. Your collection is not invalid- it still does all the exact same things it did last week. You can continue to play and use your ships just like you have always done, so long as you’re able to find someone to play X-Wing 1.0 with you. And if you can’t find someone willing to play X-wing 1.0, then it’s not FFG who is twisting your arm to upgrade to 2nd edition, it’s your friends and fellow gamers.

Now if you want to upgrade your collection to 2.0, which is a different game from X-wing 1.0, even if they share many similarities, you can do so. And it looks to me like FFG is doing everything in their power to take care of Veteran 1.0 players that they can, short of giving away product for free.

Also, I’ve seen a lot of requests for custom-tailored conversion kits or individual-ship conversion kits (which is actually the same thing, just with more packaging), but do you have any idea what sort of nightmare that is from a business standpoint? The “Dell computer model” where everything is customized to order is incredibly expensive and difficult to set up, and requires being built from the ground up. You’re talking a huge increase in costs for extra packaging, manufacturing, inventory, logistics, and labor to handle all that.

One universal conversion box that covers most people’s collections reasonably well is undoubtedly a far, far cheaper system, for both FFG, retailers, and us as the consumers, even if you have to buy multiple boxes to cover your entire collection.

/rant. Whew! Now I can get back to being excited for this game. ?

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Four?

Core Set, Rebel conversion kit = 3, and the last one you get in Saw's Renegades as that X-Wing comes with a 2.0 version of those ships already. So $120-ish.

Five? More like $170 or a good trade.

Hm, thanks... That is... Quite a lot. And then another 1+ conversion kit for each other faction if i want to play those ships and then even more then one of a single type?

Yeah... For me to be happy, alternative packaging is needed. As of now, I am a tad grumpy.

6 minutes ago, Ram said:

I am behind on my reading up on 2.0 I feel. Looking at an example scenario here, how much would fielding, using my 1.0 ships, four or fixe X-wings cost me?

In your particular case, if you just want to fly X-Wings it would be cheaper to buy the new core, a copy of Saw's renegades, and 3 of the new xpacs.

You needed Saw's regardless to run 5 X-Wings so your net cost would be $100.00 MSRP, but probably closer to $75.00 if you are one of those heathens that buy from OLGS.

On the plus side, you'll have 5 X-Wings with S-Foils, on the downside you're old X-Wings will be relegated to display models.

They don’t.

36 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

dont buy 2 conversion kits so you can run your favorite 4x of a ship list when you have no idea if you even CAN anymore yet

Oh yeah, this ^ too. I highly recommend to everyone that you start out with only one conversion kit (per faction you’re interested in playing). Start with that and see how it goes. Down the line you might decide you want a second one, or you you might not. FFG might eventually release something like smaller conversion kits focused on one wave at a time, or you can wait until the conversion kits undoubtedly go on sale and you can pick them up for ~$30 each.

Just now, EastCoast said:

In your particular case, if you just want to fly X-Wings it would be cheaper to buy the new core, a copy of Saw's renegades, and 3 of the new xpacs.

You needed Saw's regardless to run 5 X-Wings so your net cost would be $100.00 MSRP, but probably closer to $75.00 if you are one of those heathens that buy from OLGS.

On the plus side, you'll have 5 X-Wings with S-Foils, on the downside you're old X-Wings will be relegated to display models.

3 new 2nd edition T-65 are already ´$60, the core set is another $40 and Saw's comes another $40. I don't see the advantage over getting the conversion kit. Not with that $20 price tag on new 2.0 small ship expansions.

19 minutes ago, LifeGain said:

Simple. The cost (both financial and opportunity) of staying in is greater than the cost of getting out.

That does not explain anything. The cost of playing was greater than not playing from the beginning of the game.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

3 new 2nd edition T-65 are already ´$60, the core set is another $40 and Saw's comes another $40. I don't see the advantage over getting the conversion kit. Not with that $20 price tag on new 2.0 small ship expansions.

He needed Saw's anyway to run 5 T-65s. That shouldn't factor in. If he only runs 5 X-Wings it's cheaper, that's the advantage. I can only go with the information given.

4 minutes ago, Ubul said:

That does not explain anything. The cost of playing was greater than not playing from the beginning of the game.

Yes (you can say that about anything really), but now it has gotten to the point where the cost (both financial and opportunity [this is a key one]) of continuing to play is worse than not continuing to play.

Some people's X-Wing cost> alternative
Some people's X-Wing cost<alternative

33 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Majority of the people that are saying theyre gonna quit wont actually quit. Theyre just the typical loudmouth trying to get attention by making a scene.

The few people that ACTUALLY quit just wont like the new rules n such.

I really think when people say "I quit" is that they mean that they will quit buying ... not quit playing.

Just now, EastCoast said:

He needed Saw's anyway to run 5 T-65s. That shouldn't factor in. If he only runs 5 X-Wings it's cheaper, that's the advantage. I can only go with the information given.

It's only cheaper if he can't just get one generic conversion X.Wing set of ebay for like $5. And even you buy two conversion and a core set and you are still having 5 X-Wings for $140, that's exactly equal, but you get the added value of having the ability to re-sell all those ship conversions to get back at at least $100. Or you just go with 1 core, 1 2nd gen X-Wing, Saw's and one conversion kit. $150 and so much added value for all the other rebel ships.

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

It's only cheaper if he can't just get one generic conversion X.Wing set of ebay for like $5. And even you buy two conversion and a core set and you are still having 5 X-Wings for $140, that's exactly equal, but you get the added value of having the ability to re-sell all those ship conversions to get back at at least $100. Or you just go with 1 core, 1 2nd gen X-Wing, Saw's and one conversion kit. $150 and so much added value for all the other rebel ships.

X-Wings and TIEs will be the hardest to find on E-Bay imho. That is what people had the most of. The other ships will be fairly easy to find.

1 minute ago, Jadotch said:

I really think when people say "I quit" is that they mean that they will quit buying ... not quit playing.

Thats the thing though: they dont stop buying majority of the time.

I have been heavily involved in like a dozen miniature/card games and the amount of people i see "ragequit" when an update comes or new release they think is OP comes, then reappear like 3 weeks later as if nothing happened, is just staggering.
The only game i havnt seen that for is Warzone Resurrection, and thats because the entire group of us playing it had the same opinion why the game was irritating to play so we all just quit (powershots are bs)

Its silly common in 40k. New codex, "MY ARMY SUCKS NOW WTF!?!?" and they disappear for a few weeks or months then come right back, often with the same army sometimes with a different one. I only sold my Tau because 40k is too expensive to support multiple armies and Orks are the master race so....Tau go byebye lol

12 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

FFG is not forcing anybody to buy anything. Your collection is not invalid- it still does all the exact same things it did last week. You can continue to play and use your ships just like you have always done, so long as you’re able to find someone to play X-Wing 1.0 with you. And if you can’t find someone willing to play X-wing 1.0, then it’s not FFG who is twisting your arm to upgrade to 2nd edition, it’s your friends and fellow gamers.

There will be no new material for x-wing 1.0. There will be no supported tournaments for 1.0. There will be no new ships for 1.0. 1.0 died the other day.

If I want to continue play/invest in a living X-wing, a game that I already invested shitloads of $$$ in I now have to invest another decent pile of $$$ to get back to where I was before.

Or not and be a kitchen table/non- x-wing player.

Just now, Jadotch said:

X-Wings and TIEs will be the hardest to find on E-Bay imho. That is what people had the most of. The other ships will be fairly easy to find.

If my assumption about the epic conversion coming with 2 TIE Conversions as well is correct. we might not see TIE-Fighters that rare of a thing. And for X-Wings? People like me will have a spare X-Wing conversion, because we skipped the X-Wing expansion. Plays who came in Wave 8 to the game had never a reason to buy Wedge.

2 minutes ago, Ram said:

There will be no new material for x-wing 1.0. There will be no supported tournaments for 1.0. There will be no new ships for 1.0. 1.0 died the other day.

If I want to continue play/invest in a living X-wing, a game that I already invested shitloads of $$$ in I now have to invest another decent pile of $$$ to get back to where I was before.

Or not and be a kitchen table/non- x-wing player.

Yeah, exactly. So?

16 minutes ago, EastCoast said:

He needed Saw's anyway to run 5 T-65s. That shouldn't factor in. If he only runs 5 X-Wings it's cheaper, that's the advantage. I can only go with the information given.

We don't even know yet whether running 5 T65s will be possible

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

We don't even know yet whether running 5 T65s will be possible

That's true.

TL:DR past page 1

A) Conversion kits have the individual number of ships in them that they do because that is all you should be able to field in the new game. IE, they only expect you to be able to run 3 awings in a list

B) "They are expecting me to shell out $200 to remain competitive". Okay, how much did all you 3BQD players spend to create your lists? $80 2 copies of Guns for Hire, $20 for Quick Draw, $60 for 3 gunboats. $160. Oh, you didn't own Lightweight Frame, add a striker or aggressor for another $20ish.

Ba) "But but but, I don't play competitively, I just buy the ships from each wave." Okay. Lets assume you bought ONE of each from the Winter wave. One silencer, Kimo, BSF17, Gunboat, and Sheathapiede. I know you bought more Gunboats than that, maybe even more shuttles and Kimos too... Still aprox $160 if all you did was buy one of each. So if you bought multiples of any of them you are around $200. Also, Guns for Hire came out not too long before that wave, so if you add that in...$200. I looked back, I spent on average $180-$200 per wave not including Ace's packs. This really is no different.

C) "But all the useless dials and stuff I don't need and ships I don't use!" Well, if you bought the example in B for a competitive list you also have 2 star vipers and 2 Kirazk Fighters that you don't use as well. Oh and don't forget about that time you bought two star vipers to get Auto-Thursters for your interceptors or A-Wings only to have the plastic sit on the shelf.

D) But I don't have enough dials for all of my ships now. Well...they don't think you can use 15 Tie Fighters in the new game... so you already have tiles and dials you are not using right?

E) But now I need to buy the new versions of the old ships to get new cards. They came out and said in the live stream yesterday that they are working on a way for you to get the new cards without buying the plastic. But some ships will have no models so buy them anyways because they are cool.

F) But why didn't they do individual kits in the first place?! Have you seen Attack Wing? $10 USD for ONE DIAL kit per ship! My 5 A-wings would have equaled the one conversion kit price.

G) What do I do with all my old cardboard?!?! Play X-Wing 1.0 when you feel the need to play the game that was. I plan on keeping it all to play through the transition period.

H) All my alt-arts are now worthless! Well yea... But how worth while would they be if FFG suddenly went bankrupt, Disney took away FFG's licence, FFG decided not to support X-wing with no 2.0 coming? They are worth to you the same as they we're before!

I) But all the money I spent on these things I cannot use anymore?! How much money have you spent on other consumer products that have lasted 6 years? Chances are most of those consumer products lasted 2. There are probably some of you who buy a new $800-1000 cell phone every year (I personally know a half dozen people who buy a new top of the line iphone yearly..). YOU GOT SIX YEARS out of this stuff, and the prettiest part, the models, are still valuable in the game!!!

J) They really thought this through. There are two or three awesome threads full of summaries of why they did what they did. There is actually a lot more information coming directly from FFG in forms of video interviews than what is online. While we do have a lot of info we also got very little. SO JUST WAIT AND DON'T JUMP THE SHARK. This game you love, you know... X-Wing... it's going to get better!

Be salty for the sake of being salty. - X-Wing Forums moto.

Re: running 5 X-Wings for as cheaply as possible:

another option, for X-wings at least, is to buy the expansion packs and then sell the X-wing models by themselves to recuperate some of the costs. The new X-Wing molds with movable S-foils are going to be just as hot on the secondary market as the conversion pieces are, if not more so. I’m sure there will be a lot of people wanting to swap out their old X-wings for the fancy new ones. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them going for $10+ a piece. If that’s true, and you already have the 1.0 X-wing models, you could fly 5 in 2.0 for as cheap as $50 (5x ex-packs - $10 for each model you sell). Less if you wait for them to go on sale.

3 hours ago, Shinren said:

I love the idea of the second edition.

But i play rebels and empire. 2 faction will become 4 in the new edition, so minimum 4 upgrade kits and the new starter set...

So I'll have to pay 200-240€ only to continue to play with my toys. And I've already payed for them.

And this purchase won't let me play all the tie-fighter, x-wing or b-wing I already own, so I'm a little bit disappointed because I've to find some missing dials/parts just to be sure to be able to play all of them if I would like to...

Obviously I'like to pay less and a company would like to earn more, but a lot of player does not have just one faction, so...

They said several times on the stream yesterday:

Resistance/FO conversion kits WILL be cheaper.

They will have smaller conversion kits as well because they don't want people to have to buy multiples of the $50 Rebel/Imperial/Scum conversion kits.

They want to make it so if you only play one (or a few) faction(s) then you don't have to buy other faction ships to gain access to the generic upgrades.

The initial outlay of cash is a hit but there are going to be literally hundreds of components in the upgrade kits which will be worth it. The need to buy a new core set is slightly disappointing as they could have simply created a "core conversion kit" that included only the essentials such as the new templates and damage deck.

13 minutes ago, Ram said:

There will be no new material for x-wing 1.0. There will be no supported tournaments for 1.0. There will be no new ships for 1.0. 1.0 died the other day.

If I want to continue play/invest in a living X-wing, a game that I already invested shitloads of $$$ in I now have to invest another decent pile of $$$ to get back to where I was before.

Or not and be a kitchen table/non- x-wing player.

$90 for one faction and the core set. How much did you spend on the last wave of ships?