Dear FFG: Creating Goodwill with Old Players for 2.0

By Jadotch, in X-Wing

While I do have my complaints about the 2.0, for the most part I look forward to it.

Many are taking issue with the conversion kits. (While I think the numbers are weird for what is included in each one, they are "fair" for the most part.)

How to solve this:

Make exclusive pilots for the conversion kits only.

Just 2-4 exclusive pilots would work per faction. Or even existing pilots in a different ship that you could only get by ordering the conversion kit. Even if it is for a limited time and it comes in a separate box.

There should be some reward for sticking with the game.

Just my 2 cents.

Edited by Jadotch

So a new player wanting to get this preorder bonus extra pilot would have to buy a $50 pack as a complete waste of money?

The perfect move to get new players. Because the one thing that makes me happy is when somebody else is not allowed to get something.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

So a new player wanting to get this preorder bonus extra pilot would have to buy a $50 pack as a complete waste of money?

The perfect move to get new players. Because the one thing that makes me happy is when somebody else is not allowed to get something.

Really, you don't think plenty will be floating around with the multiple packs bought by older players? Generic X-Wing and TIE fighter pilots are going to be the hard ones to find.

Yeah, that would be a shaft to the new player. I don't like this idea.

2 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

Yeah, that would be a shaft to the new player. I don't like this idea.

Compared to shafting the old players with exclusive updates just in the blisters with ships not needed?

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Just now, Jadotch said:

Compared to shafting the old players with exclusive updates just in the blisters?

THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVE UPDATES JUST IN THE BLISTERS.

I don't like that idea, but I understand the sentiment.

Consider this: the conversion kits DO contain new content. That same new content will be in the $20 ship packs - but we don't have to buy them because we'll get it in the Conversion kits.

I am TOTALLY good with that!

Why would you want them to take a dump on new players like that?

Just now, heychadwick said:

THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVE UPDATES JUST IN THE BLISTERS.

Repeating it because people still haven't figured this out.

1 minute ago, Boba Rick said:

I don't like that idea, but I understand the sentiment.

Consider this: the conversion kits DO contain new content. That same new content will be in the $20 ship packs - but we don't have to buy them because we'll get it in the Conversion kits.

I am TOTALLY good with that!

Bingo. I’m looking forward to doing the math on how much 1.0 players saved by being able to purchase conversion kits. Several hundred dollars per kit, I suspect.

Just now, Boba Rick said:

I don't like that idea, but I understand the sentiment.

Consider this: the conversion kits DO contain new content. That same new content will be in the $20 ship packs - but we don't have to buy them because we'll get it in the Conversion kits.

I am TOTALLY good with that!

We also get new ships ahead of time! What a steal! (Because the more obscure ships probably won't get re-created until later, while conversion kit people will have them from day one. potentially banned form OP, but interesting. Also means every new blister is an "ace" pack of sorts.)

1 minute ago, heychadwick said:

THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVE UPDATES JUST IN THE BLISTERS.

I don’t know man, those new X-Wing and Y-Wing sculpts are some mighty sexy updates.

After my initial “harrumph” of not getting enough dials for my X’s and Y’s in the conversion kit, I think I may just replace them all anyway. Those new models are HAWT.

3 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVE UPDATES JUST IN THE BLISTERS.

You really don't think there will be new content in the next 13 waves of X-Wing from ships already released in 1.0? I have some swampland for sale.

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2 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

Repeating it because people still haven't figured this out.

There are a lot of people who are just too cheesed off to actually read, research and understand what they're talking about. They'd rather just blindly rage and complain, assuming everyone else wants to do the same.

Just now, PhantomFO said:

There are a lot of people who are just too cheesed off to actually read, research and understand what they're talking about. They'd rather just blindly rage and complain, assuming everyone else wants to do the same.

There are 13 waves of blisters going to be released. It is foolish not to think there will be exclusive stuff in these packs.

3 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

You really don't think there will be new content in the next 13 waves of X-Wing from ships already released in 1.0? I have some swampland for sale.

Oh, there will absolutely be new cards in future waves. But what I get out of buying a conversion kit is wanting to play this game again . I lost it sometime last year. I just didn't care any more. Now, I can't wait to play a better game of X-wing!

EDIT: But for this first release, they want you to be able to jump in with all of your ships, which is nice of them.

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56 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

You really don't think there will be new content in the next 13 waves of X-Wing from ships already released in 1.0?

I can’t speak for @heychadwick , but in my case, yes, I believe that. For ships that are just getting a repack in the new blister (which appears to be mostly cardboard, let’s hear it for not needing a **** survival knife to open our ships!), I fully expect them to do the following:

1) take ship (already completed)

2) take cardboard (already completed)

3) take cards (already completed)

4) put in package

5) sell.

Outside of “FFG is a corporate villain” fantasy land, what motivation could they have to slap new cards in packs that they can literally just PUT ON THE SHELVES AS FAST AS THEY CAN BE PRINTED?

Could it happen? Yeah. I don’t see it happening. Of course I give everyone here free reign to bookmark or save this post and rub my face in it if I’m wrong.

Edited by FatherTurin

what about limited edition foil cards ?

7 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

There are 13 waves of blisters going to be released. It is foolish not to think there will be exclusive stuff in these packs.

Maybe, maybe not. The Team Covenant interview indicates that they're moving away from upgrades that are exclusive to one faction's expansion. If a wave introduces Autothrusters 2.0, then that upgrade will be in every expansion within that wave. You won't need to buy the StarViper expansion just to get it for your A-Wings. You can buy the Resistance A-Wing expansion, or the First Order Bomber.

You're presuming that the next 13 waves are all just going to be the same ships we've already seen, but it's more likely that some of the obscure 1.0 ships from the EU will be replaced by new canon ships from Star Wars: Resistance and future movies.

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Exclusive pilots is a bad idea, but exclusive alt-arts might not be? I doubt it would happen, but that would be a nice gesture.

1 minute ago, PhantomFO said:

Maybe, maybe not. The Team Covenant interview indicates that they're moving away from upgrades that are exclusive to one faction's expansion. If a wave introduces Autothrusters 2.0, then that upgrade will be in every expansion within that wave. You won't need to buy the E-Wing expansion just to get it. You can buy the Resistance A-Wing expansion, or the First Order Bomber.

You're presuming that the next 13 waves are all just going to be the same ships we've already seen, but it's more likely that some of the obscure 1.0 ships from the EU will be replaced by new canon ships from Star Wars: Resistance and future movies.

EVERY ship from 1.0 will make a reapperance, or at least that is the current "promise"

but we shouldn't expect them to put the brakes on new ships or to release all previous ships in one clump. It may take 2+ years to get 2.0 version of all the 1.0 ships. I expect waves will be new ships with new v1 ships being sprinkled in.

New players are already getting shafted because they have to buy the conversion kits too if they want to use any of the old ships that haven't been released in 2.0 yet.

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

EVERY ship from 1.0 will make a reapperance, or at least that is the current "promise"

but we shouldn't expect them to put the brakes on new ships or to release all previous ships in one clump. It may take 2+ years to get 2.0 version of all the 1.0 ships. I expect waves will be new ships with new v1 ships being sprinkled in.

If that's the case, then 2+ years for all 1.0 is extraordinarily optimistic. Consider that Wave 1 through Wave 14 already represents nearly six years of releases.

16 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

You really don't think there will be new content in the next 13 waves of X-Wing from ships already released in 1.0? I have some swampland for sale.

Of course there will be new stuff in future products. That's the way it's always been. You want FFG to shaft new players who will also get equally shafted by having to buy any future blister for whatever future upgrade?

This is the second dumbest idea I've heard all week.

Edited by HolySorcerer