FFG does have like four months to be clearer

7 minutes ago, period3 said:

I don't really get this.

So I buy a few conversion kits and convert everything over, but the conversion kits don't contain all the pilots and upgrades that are coming out in future packs. So e.g. I get N a-wings with maybe 2 pilots each instead of say 4 each. To get the remaining pilots, I have to purchase the mini conversion kit that comes out when the a-wing comes out. So assuming I want everything, what is the point of the original conversion kit? Wouldn't I be better buying N mini conversion kits for my N a-wings, so that I can have N copies of every pilot available for the a-wing?

It all sounds like it's going to be VERY expensive.

I'm probably in at some level, but I think proxies are going to have to be involved. Anyway, it's still early days, FFG needs to be much clearer on their plans and pricing before I commit much.

Based on what we've seen so far, new pilots for existing ships will be in the conversion packs, like Nora Wexley's Y-wing. I guess they might come up with more, but I expect that the eventual new A-wing blister won't have surprise new pilots you have to get.

I don't believe that the conversion kits are Scam but I think they gonna fall short of what they're trying to do.

I will say they probably could have fit a damage deck and some movement templates in the kits

But I might be wrong. I haven't seen the actual box

conversion kits are not a scam.

its pretty clear that

1. The conversion kits at wave one have everything.

2. The things not in wave one that are new in the coming waves are going to be available to players that already have the old ships. This content is likely in development or was undeveloped at the time they needed to start printing wave one.

3. The kits have been structured as well as they could reasonably be to account for a wide variety in player’s collections.

4. Including starter content in the kits would increase the price or decrease the amount of other content in the packs.

5. Players that need multiple of a single conversion kit will not be buying more templates, damage decks, or rulebooks then they need to play.

There are perfectly reasonable benefits and negatives to these choices. But I don’t think I would call this a scam and as a player they are answering the most important questions I have.

18 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

3. The kits have been structured as well as they could reasonably be to account for a wide variety in player’s collections.

I agree with most of your post except for this part.

Large ships should have had 1 dail each. (And the attack shuttle.)

Anything that came in an Ace’s pack or Epic secondary ship should of had 4 dials.

The TIE Fighter should have had at least 5.

Everything else 2 works just fine.

I felt the same way but then some guy posted right after me that he loved flying two attack shuttles and Lothal rebels.

im guessing that whatever the wave specific conversion packs are will actually have more dials in the them.

So by the time we know all the information it’s likely that none of us will need more than one conversion kit per faction.

9 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

I felt the same way but then some guy posted right after me that he loved flying two attack shuttles and Lothal rebels.

im guessing that whatever the wave specific conversion packs are will actually have more dials in the them.

So by the time we know all the information it’s likely that none of us will need more than one conversion kit per faction.

On the live stream today it was mentioned there is a plan to release conversion kits after a ship gets new upgrades. Example used was the lambda.

10 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

I felt the same way but then some guy posted right after me that he loved flying two attack shuttles and Lothal rebels.

more importantly, if you have two VCXs then you also have two attack shuttles

so if you're including two VCX conversions, you need to include two attack shuttles

10 hours ago, Boba Rick said:

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

You do not have to buy the new models to get new cards, upgrades, bases, or dials to convert the old ship.

Do more research next time.

I think everyone on this forum needs to do more research. Thanks @Boba Rick .

39 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

I agree with most of your post except for this part.

Large ships should have had 1 dail each. (And the attack shuttle.)

Anything that came in an Ace’s pack or Epic secondary ship should of had 4 dials.

The TIE Fighter should have had at least 5.

Everything else 2 works just fine.

Well I agree with much of your post, I think people (in general, me included) aren't taking trading into account as much. for example, a friend has 9(!) gunboats, and 2 defenders. I have 0 gunboats (because I aggressively hate them) and 4 defenders. I buy one kit, and he buys two, with me trading three gunboats for 2 defenders. Or, we each buy 1.5 kits and spend 75$ each. Basically, proxy / borrow stuff. You will buy more in time, if only for models and increased available funds. As an example of this, I am likely going to buy an extra Y-wing pack (or two) over the course of months because I want the new models. This will bring me to 4 2.0 Y-wings after one conversion pack, enough for casual play. OR for the X-wing, most people will get at least 4 (Saws+Core+Conversion) so buying a fifth for 20$ with moving wings isn't too bad if you want to fly that.

I will concede that there might have been a need for 1 more TIE though. Unless something else in the rules limits it! My plan is to just wait and see. [Ah, who am I kidding! 1 of each conversion and a core are going to be pre-ordered from my FLGS in ~2weeks!]

1 hour ago, TylerTT said:

4. Including starter content in the kits would increase the price or decrease the amount of other content in the packs.

Says who?

the tie fighter thing is interesting

the dials for ties did not change.

everyone needs a core set so they have to buy two new ties (they look like blue paint jobs so I WANT). Edit- nope they are light gray.

That means 6 ties with core + 4 in the conversion kit. plus your old dials work.

Im guessing were fine

I think FFG have taken a pretty decent approach - from the sound of all the cardboard and plastic they've squeezed into each kit, it seems reasonable. So, I'd say 'no' to the original question.

They were never going to be able to create a single box (even per faction) that would cater for everyone's diverse collections.

And a "trade-in" scheme is just not economically practical.

I don't have the biggest collection, but big enough that 1 of each kit will not cover all my ships - but I'm not too put out by that, I can go to the secondary market (perhaps not even further than my own local gamers) to fill in the gaps.

I will come up short if wanting to play Epic - but I'll bide my time to see what they have planned for that conversion.

I had often cringed at the thought when there's been cries for 2ed on the forums - but seeing how they've gone about it, and the trimming they've done, I'm not displeased.

9 hours ago, Mep said:

... I truly hope they update all the models, or at least provide an alt paint scheme. It would be cool if the old paint jobs where put out of print permanently.

Well, trending so far:

X-Wing : new model, old scheme (but that makes total sense for that ship)

Y-Wing : new model, old scheme (a shame, they could have gone grey or blue, but perhaps sticking to most iconic OT sqdn)

TIE/ln and x1 : old model (I assume?!), old scheme (not a lot of scope really, but are they the previously less common blue? I can't tell from the articles)

Protectorate : new model, new scheme

Firespray : old model, old scheme (but once again makes total sense as it's unique in the OT)

Someone just told me that all unique pilots will be only included ONCE per conversion kit, which means you will not be able to re-sell or trade any conversions to people who don't have already conversion kits. You will not be able to build several mirror lists for example out of one conversion kit. So shared collections basically need one kit per player.

Now I don't know if this is a true or not. But if it is indeed true than the kit does sound pretty … scummy.

1 hour ago, marcnelsonjr said:

Says who?

Economics.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Someone just told me that all unique pilots will be only included ONCE per conversion kit, which means you will not be able to re-sell or trade any conversions to people who don't have already conversion kits. You will not be able to build several mirror lists for example out of one conversion kit. So shared collections basically need one kit per player.

Now I don't know if this is a true or not. But if it is indeed true than the kit does sound pretty … scummy.

so you want each pack to have 3x soontir fel cards for example?

No that's insane. putting in 3x soontir fel's and charging me for them would be scummy as all ****, i only need 1. I dont know for sure but going to go out on a limb and say the vast vast majority of the players only need 1.

1 minute ago, Icelom said:

so you want each pack to have 3x soontir fel cards for example?

No that's insane. putting in 3x soontir fel's and charging me for them would be scummy as all ****, i only need 1. I dont know for sure but going to go out on a limb and say the vast vast majority of the players only need 1.

At least with my locals, I would say the vastly amount of players rather would need 3x Soontir Fel, to actually sell their TIE Interceptor Expansion to new players, and keep their blood stripe Interceptor and maybe the Royal Guard one as well. Which they naturally can't do with this scheme. And besides, a large amount of local players have shared collections with their significant others. So needing two of the same unique cards is pretty common.

8 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Someone just told me that all unique pilots will be only included ONCE per conversion kit, which means you will not be able to re-sell or trade any conversions to people who don't have already conversion kits.

Of course you'll be able to re-sell or trade conversions with people who don't already have conversion kits.

For example, I won't need any of the unique pilots and dials/cardboard for several ships that I don't own in the conversion kit. I'll gladly trade or sell those uniques, regardless of whether or not they have purchased a conversion kit.

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

At least with my locals, I would say the vastly amount of players rather would need 3x Soontir Fel, to actually sell their TIE Interceptor Expansion to new players, and keep their blood stripe Interceptor and maybe the Royal Guard one as well. Which they naturally can't do with this scheme. And besides, a large amount of local players have shared collections with their significant others. So needing two of the same unique cards is pretty common.

Ok, what you want is everything in the conversion pack being doubled or tripled up.... my solution is very simple for you then, purchase 2 or 3 packs you get exactly what you are asking for without me having to pay for all the duplicates that you want.

Just now, Dax12387 said:

Of course you'll be able to re-sell or trade conversions with people who don't already have conversion kits.

For example, I won't need any of the unique pilots and dials/cardboard for several ships that I don't own in the conversion kit. I'll gladly trade or sell those uniques, regardless of whether or not they have purchased a conversion kit.

And lose the option to use those pilots for potentially years? I don't think that this will be common choice from players playing a miniature game with a quickly changing meta.

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

And lose the option to use those pilots for potentially years? I don't think that this will be common choice from players playing a miniature game with a quickly changing meta.

If they don't have the ships they can buy the 2.0 versions when they want them... why on earth would you hang onto cardboard you don't have the ships for?

No offense but everything you posted has been mind-boggling.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

And lose the option to use those pilots for potentially years? I don't think that this will be common choice from players playing a miniature game with a quickly changing meta.

If you don't own the ships, the conversion content ain't worth much

I guess you could hold onto it to buy discounted 1.0 models and get a good discount that way

But personally, it doesn't matter of they become the best dang things in the game, I am NEVER flying a sodding interceptor

So that's an easy trade to make

1 minute ago, Icelom said:

Ok, what you want is everything in the conversion pack being doubled or tripled up.... my solution is very simple for you then, purchase 2 or 3 packs you get exactly what you are asking for without me having to pay for all the duplicates that you want.

That is a bad solution, because in that case buying the new ships is cheaper. That's literally more expensive than rebuying the whole imperial faction ?

Just now, Icelom said:

If they don't have the ships they can by the 2.0 versions when they want them... why on earth would you hang onto cardboard you don't have the ships for?

No offense but everything you posted has been mind-boggling.

Because the 2.0 version of those ships will not be released in August, the will be the content for the next waves in the coming years. There will not be an immediate complete release of reprints of all X-Wing ships in one go.