Based on the amount in the kits, I will be unable to fly two of my lists without trading or eat the cost of a second kit.

List 1: (5) A-Wing
List 2: YT-2400, Y-Wing, Sabine's TIE Fighter
List 3: Millennium Falcon, (2) Auzituck Gunship
List 4: (3) X-Wing
List 5: Millennium Falcon, (4) Z-95 Headhunter

I'll likely get the starter, so the X-Wing won't be such a big deal, but the A-Wing list would be on the back-burner. Not even sure if I'd be able to load them up with the same EPTs anyways, so I'll just wait and see. Trading parts from the conversion kit might strengthen the community even more. I know a lot of the players at my LGS don't fly A-Wing and might sell them off separately. Actually, that leaves me to think we can expect to see people online that just buy the kits and sells the ships upgrades out separately like they were already doing for 1.0

1 minute ago, Superstrength79 said:

Based on the amount in the kits, I will be unable to fly two of my lists without trading or eat the cost of a second kit.

List 1: (5) A-Wing
List 2: YT-2400, Y-Wing, Sabine's TIE Fighter
List 3: Millennium Falcon, (2) Auzituck Gunship
List 4: (3) X-Wing
List 5: Millennium Falcon, (4) Z-95 Headhunter

I'll likely get the starter, so the X-Wing won't be such a big deal, but the A-Wing list would be on the back-burner. Not even sure if I'd be able to load them up with the same EPTs anyways, so I'll just wait and see. Trading parts from the conversion kit might strengthen the community even more. I know a lot of the players at my LGS don't fly A-Wing and might sell them off separately. Actually, that leaves me to think we can expect to see people online that just buy the kits and sells the ships upgrades out separately like they were already doing for 1.0

I think there will be a lot of trading on these conversion kits. You will easily part with the ones you don't need and vice versa. I'm sure some will be harder (more expensive) to get than others though.

imo its not the cost of the individual box its the divvying up ratios thats ticking most people off, myself included.

Most people that play rebels have 3-4 Awings, Bwings, Ywings, and Xwings yet they only give you 2 conversions.
I dont know a single person with multiple YT2400's

Its even more silly on the imp side: 4 TIE/ln....when thats the one ship everyone has at LEAST 6 of if not more and 3 freakin decimators, which i know more people that have 3 falcons than even 2 decimators.
Theyre basically forcing you to buy it twice because the ratios are absolutely horrible.

edit: also, people, stop thinking you can run the same exact lists you did before. More than likely these lists will be voided either by upgrade slot changes, cost changes, mechanic changes, etc. Buy 1 and see what you can do, then go from there.

I don't need you listing raw numbers and data with price tags showing how much I've spent (ON JUST REBEL SHIPS)! I need to keep my head in the sand and just keep buying all the things...

I'm really hoping some guys will sell individual ship conversions on eBay or something. Everything I currently have can be solved with a single conversion kit - except GUNBOATS.

11 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

I dont know a single person with multiple YT2400's

Hi. I bought my second YT-2400 during the top of the Dengar-Manaroo era. (The YT-2400 was literally the first ship I bought, and the reason I got in the game in the first place.)

I loved hunting Dengar and Manaroo (In their first incarnation) with Dash and Eaden!

Eaden held off Dengar with blocking (Dengar was always stressed which made Eaden that much better against him) while Dash destroyed Manaroo. Usually Dash came out of the fight better than Dengar. When it came down to Dash and Dengar, Dengar was over stressed and with out his support, it gave Dash the advantage. It was an awesome counter, and a viable all around list.

I kinda miss that list and wish they would not have nerfed Dengaroo. That list was my favorite target.

Mistakes were made a long time ago, and I have 12 T-65 X-wings and 12 B-wings. The dials have changed for both of these ships, it'll be a bear if I want to properly refit the cardboard for my entire collection.

we got new B-wing dials?

where!?

the only dial they revealed afaik is the xwing, which is different.

I imagine most if not all of the older ships are getting a tweak. Hopefully they make the lambda turns white...seriously thats all that thing needs to actually be viable outside a palpshuttle

they got a few others, such as the TIE fighter and fang etc., from the conversion kit previews

for every ship that doesn't get new maneuvers (such as y-wing, starviper) you can just color in the new green banks and your 1.0 dials are instantly usable

So 14% + core box

18 minutes ago, MajorJuggler said:

Mistakes were made a long time ago, and I have 12 T-65 X-wings and 12 B-wings. The dials have changed for both of these ships, it'll be a bear if I want to properly refit the cardboard for my entire collection.

But why would you need to?

I think a lot of people with large collections seem to be obsessive compulsive completionists. (Not saying you are).

I am sure there will be trade threads once everything ships.

I do agree with everyone in this thread that the RATIOS of these ships seem.. off for many of them.

IF I was FFG and I was designing a conversion kit and setting the ratio numbers, I *think* I would set them by the number of sales per unit? If A-wings sold 50% more than Y-wings then 3/2 makes sense. But then you see 3 decimators, and you really wonder if everyone did in fact buy that many compared to the other ships? No one may have 3 decimators, but is it possible it was the most popular large base so the ratio of 3/2 makes sense for the decimator as a whole for the whole market?

Of course this breaks down horribly when you realize everyone needs to buy 1 pack to get the 100 upgrade cards regardless of which ships they have so now you're truly flooding Decimator conversions in a market that doesn't support it.

So let’s do some math. I want to say small bases are 30mm x 30mm, and large bases are 60mm x 60mm. Let’s say that medium are 45mm x 45mm, and that a dial is 35mm x 35mm. I know it’s round, but it basically takes the space of a square anyways, short of some tokens in between dials. And let’s add a 5mm cushion around each edge for the non-punched cardboard. Now a small base takes 1600mm2, a large base 4900mm2, a medium 3025mm2, and a dial 2025mm2.

With that math done, and assuming I know what’s a Medium ship (ARC, K Wing, U Wing, Punisher, Kimogila, Scurrg, Slave 1), then the Rebels have 75800mm2 of cardboard, the Imperials 55150mm2 of Cardboard, and Scum 75475mm2 of cardboard. At first glance, it would appear the Imps are getting the short end of the stick. But there are also pilot cards to consider. And while we don’t know how many there are, it seems safe to assume that since we know there’s a black ace tie, that it’s similar to the current system, that they have generic ties at IN1, IN2, and IN3, compared to other factions just having IN1 and IN2. I don’t want to speculate beyond that since they also only have 13 ships compared to the other factions have 17 and 16. I think it may be safe to say they’re getting the raw end of the deal here. Even if there are 3 pilot cards per ship compared to 2 per ship on the other factions, they would have 39 compared to 34/32, but so much less cardboard.

HOLD UP GUYS.

Revelation time regarding these upgrade kits. I don’t know if others have thought this through or not yet, but our cardboard bases are double sided. And if they’re saying we have enough to run 2 X Wings, that means that we have two sets of generics. But it also means that we have at least one of each named pilot. So if they’re going with the same logic as before, we should have Named1/Generic1, Named2/Generic1, Named3/Generic2, Named4/Generic2 if the X Wing is supposed to have support for 2 ships. Which means the math above is all wrong, because it’s not a single ship insert, it’s more. Why does that matter? Well, for one, it explains why the imperials are getting “less” cardboard. Let’s make a few assumptions here… Let’s assume that each ship has the same number of generics that it currently does (so 1 Lambda, 2 X Wings, 3 TIE fighters, etc). In that case, it means that if you have 2 X Wings, you have at least 4 cardboard inserts (plus 1 dial). It would also mean that for the TIE fighters, they would need to have at least 8 cardboard inserts, perhaps more depending on how many uniques there are. If there are 4 uniques, then those can be backed by the IN3 ships, and the IN1 and IN2 can be double sided on the other 4 uniques. If there are 6 uniques, then you would need an additional cardboard insert (N1/G1, N2/G1, N3/G2, N4/G2, N5/G3, N6/G3, G1/G2, G2/G3, G3/G1) such that you can always fly any combination. So let’s make another assumption here – there are as many uniques are there are “copies” of the ship that you can fly (so 4 TIE fighters, 2 X Wings).

With those changes, you end up with 121,975mm2 for Rebels, 100,075mm2 for Imps, and 132,775mm2 for Scum. Again, the Imps seem to be getting the raw end of the stick. But they do have more pilot cards now (4 copies of 3 different generic TIEs and 1 copy of 4 uniques = 16 cards compared to X wings 2 copies of 2 generics and 2 uniques = 6 cards). But if this is the case, we know something more about the conversion kits and what to expect… It either means we’re drastically cutting down on the number of named characters for some of these ships (X Wing and TIE fighter come to mind, as do the Falcon and Decimator), or we’re going to be getting a lot more ship inserts to represent the different pilots, or there may be certain combinations that we can’t fly (Lando and Han are on the back of the cardboard currently, which isn’t a problem since you have to buy a second Falcon in order to fly both, so they can be double sided. But if they’re double sided on this one, then you can’t fly Han with Lando, even though you have enough upgrades to “two” Falcons).

So, I went totally off course, as I was going to originally provide these measurements to have you redistribute the cardboard allotment to what you thought was optimal, and then have everyone else complain about it, but ended up coming the conclusion that we don’t really know what we’re getting.

Folks are also forgetting that Miniature Market and Coolstuff, Inc will probably have it for at least 20% off MSRP at launch, and will probably slash it drastically during sales. If you really want to save money and don't want to give it to your FLGS, there will be options.

Came here to say I'm annoyed with the misleading title.

Unless OP missed the point as to why people are upset with conversion kits in the last 100000 posts that have been made the past 24 hours.

24 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

Folks are also forgetting that Miniature Market and Coolstuff, Inc will probably have it for at least 20% off MSRP at launch, and will probably slash it drastically during sales. If you really want to save money and don't want to give it to your FLGS, there will be options.

True, but if you're that type of person, you bought your stuff at 20% off MSRP, so it's still "7%."

14 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

we got new B-wing dials?

where!?

Check out the teaser video, looks like the B-wing has a 3K or something. Can't remember exactly but it was clear the dial has changed.

4 minutes ago, Khyros said:

True, but if you're that type of person, you bought your stuff at 20% off MSRP, so it's still "7%."

Actually I got all my wave 1-6 stuff at 33% off MSRP, bought at MM / CSI before I had ever set foot in a LGS.

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

But why would you need to?

I think a lot of people with large collections seem to be obsessive compulsive completionists. (Not saying you are).

Not everyone plays exclusively in a tournament setting. Maybe I want to play at home with a bunch of friends over, and we need 12 X-wings between different squads.

28 minutes ago, MajorJuggler said:

Not everyone plays exclusively in a tournament setting. Maybe I want to play at home with a bunch of friends over, and we need 12 X-wings between different squads.

Sure I get that, but then you’re free to proxy everything. T-70 dials and a blue highlighter fixes your X wing dial problem.

people with relatively large collections wont ever be using their whole collection in an FFG officially sanctioned setting anyways so they can always proxy. If one cannot stand to proxy then perhaps that person does have some completionist OCD going.

A scanner and laser printer will solve just about all of your problems in a casual setting.

You can't really add a maneuver to the dial though. The talon roll is new, for example.

Just now, MajorJuggler said:

You can't really add a maneuver to the dial though. The talon roll is new, for example.

It's not new to the T-70.

Just now, Khyros said:

It's not new to the T-70.

True, but if my friends are also using all the T-70 X-wings, then those dials will also be in use!