I made a spreadsheet for everyone complaining about the $50 price tag. Do you think a 7% tax on your 1st edition ships is TOO much to pay to go to 2nd edition?

Remember everybody: We can all trade with each other to swap around upgrades we need or don't need

The problem most people have with the pricetag is that some have 5 X-Wings or A-Wings or whatever, but they don't have 2x the number of EVERY ship in the conversion kits, so while the first kit might be around 7%, the next is going to make that go up exponentially.

Personally wouldn't mind the 50$ cost at all if I ONLY needed one. But if I want to run 4/5 Khiraxzh fighters I'll need at least 2. (Of course, unlike the people who knee-jerk about having to pay 300 dollars RIGHT AWAY!!!! I'll just buy one to start with, and then proxy whatever I'm missing. ****, unless the Khiraxzh become incredible in the new edition I'll probably be able to pick up some extra dials/cards for cheap.)

You're assuming that players own the exact inventory of what's provided in a given conversion kit.

Players may be purchasing one or two conversion kits across three factions. Trading, or a realistic looks at how often ships get played may reduce this some.

This conversion kit is in addition to the new stuff which people will be buying to have the updated versions of ships along with any new upgrade cards and other components.

And who knows what builds will be effective with all this new, exciting content!!!

2 minutes ago, RejjeN said:

The problem most people have with the pricetag is that some have 5 X-Wings or A-Wings or whatever, but they don't have 2x the number of EVERY ship in the conversion kits, so while the first kit might be around 7%, the next is going to make that go up exponentially.

Personally wouldn't mind the 50$ cost at all if I ONLY needed one. But if I want to run 4/5 Khiraxzh fighters I'll need at least 2. (Of course, unlike the people who knee-jerk about having to pay 300 dollars RIGHT AWAY!!!! I'll just buy one to start with, and then proxy whatever I'm missing. ****, unless the Khiraxzh become incredible in the new edition I'll probably be able to pick up some extra dials/cards for cheap.)

I'm still holding out hope for individual ship conversion ships, especially for the ones that have had Aces packs, like the B-Wing, A-Wing, Khiraxzh, and StarViper, as well as the core ships of the game: X-Wings and TIE fighters

Saw - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Core set - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Conversion kit +2 2.0 X-wings

4 2.0 X-wings. Probably max you will be able to fly. what's the problem?

3 A-wings does suck, but just ask your community, you may find the extra ones you need.

Core set + 2 ties

Conversion kit +4 ties

6 2.0 Tie fighters.

We don't know the rules yet... maybe they are limiting chassis to 6? who knows!

Oh the actual value of these conversion kits is indisputably good (at least if you know anything about cardboard and printing cost), it is their awkward combination of content that people (understandably) gripe with. I just hope I'll be able to get everything I want by trading away my leftovers, especially my Fang Fighter material.

2 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I'm still holding out hope for individual ship conversion ships, especially for the ones that have had Aces packs, like the B-Wing, A-Wing, Khiraxzh, and StarViper, as well as the core ships of the game: X-Wings and TIE fighters

sadly, don't think it's happening

what I thought would be cool is if the stand-alone 2.0 packs came with two dials to help convert specific ships

but given the x-wing unboxing video, it doesn't seem to be the case

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

Saw - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Core set - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Conversion kit +2 2.0 X-wings

4 2.0 X-wings. Probably max you will be able to fly. what's the problem?

3 A-wings does suck, but just ask your community, you may find the extra ones you need.

Core set + 2 ties

Conversion kit +4 ties

6 2.0 Tie fighters.

We don't know the rules yet... maybe they are limiting chassis to 6? who knows!



That's another valid point. Until we know the new costs of things, we don't know if we need to have a 1:1 conversion of all ships in our current collections.

Just now, Wiredin said:

Saw - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Core set - +1 2.0 X-Wing

Conversion kit +2 2.0 X-wings

4 2.0 X-wings. Probably max you will be able to fly. what's the problem?

3 A-wings does suck, but just ask your community, you may find the extra ones you need.

Core set + 2 ties

Conversion kit +4 ties

6 2.0 Tie fighters.

We don't know the rules yet... maybe they are limiting chassis to 6? who knows!

Core is another cash grab, buy the whole box to get a damage deck and 1 straight manuever.

I'm sure there'll be a robust trade/secondary market for individual upgrades on release.

Just now, eMeM said:

Core is another cash grab, buy the whole box to get a damage deck and 1 straight manuever.

and S-FOILS!!!!

Heh, you beat me to it. I was planning on doing something very similar. I don't think many people are complaining about the 7% "tax" to upgrade. Of the people complaining, I think the voices you're hearing are those that don't fit into it perfectly. As a worst case scenario (presuming at least one of everything), if you had 1 of everything, but 3 YT-2400 (because it's your favorite ship), you're then left with a 25.64% tax to upgrade.

If I put my actual collection in, I have $625 of retail purchases*, and to upgrade all of my ships, I have to buy two kits, putting me at a 16% tax. If I don't get the second upgrade kit, I have $90* of ships that I cannot have purchased but cannot use anymore**. 16% is a steep price to pay imo for continuing to play the game that I've already invested $625 into over 5 years. Especially if you equally apply that fleet arrangement to the other factions, I'm looking at $300 (er, $340 because I need a core set) to upgrade my approx $1800 fleet.

And that $1800 fleet I built up over 5 years, for an annual expenditure of $360. So now I'm going to have to spend the equivalent of an entire year's worth of purchases to make the past 5 years stuff valid. I also have Saw's Renegades and the TIE Reaper to pick up this year as well, not to mention whenever they come out with the Resistance, FO and Epic upgrade kits. I'm going to end up spending about 1.5years worth of ship purchases in order to make the past 5 years valid.

And after spending 18 months of hobby money, I don't have any new shiny toys to play with. Sure, the rules have been revamped, and I'm excited for the rules, and if I had the perfect setup that aligned to their upgrade packs, I wouldn't mind a 7% tax. But the 16% rate that I'm going to be paying is quite high.

And ninja'd by 9 other people

*Assuming expansion pack prices
**In a competitive environment, which is where I play X Wing

2 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I'm still holding out hope for individual ship conversion ships, especially for the ones that have had Aces packs, like the B-Wing, A-Wing, Khiraxzh, and StarViper, as well as the core ships of the game: X-Wings and TIE fighters

I love how people moan about spending money to play a game when they have likely already eyed'up two to three TIE Reapers as well as a Saw box set and would happily drop 90 on a new Epic ship that got announced but present someone with an option to upgrade their stuff to play a new version of the game for a fraction of the cost and they explode.

Additionally, people seem to be up in arms about the most silly of things. Do you not have friends? My gaming club has around 14 people that play this game and we will all likely be buying one of each faction pack. The likelihood that all 14 of us are going to want to run 5 x wings in the same event is roughly 3,720 to 1. Even the odds of us all attending the same event are even wider.

Now if you are going to tell me that you intend on deploying EVERY single ship you own in a single battle, well . . . . then you have a problem and will need to buy a single kit (or the new blister).

1 minute ago, Khyros said:

Heh, you beat me to it. I was planning on doing something very similar. I don't think many people are complaining about the 7% "tax" to upgrade. Of the people complaining, I think the voices you're hearing are those that don't fit into it perfectly. As a worst case scenario (presuming at least one of everything), if you had 1 of everything, but 3 YT-2400 (because it's your favorite ship), you're then left with a 25.64% tax to upgrade.

I'm sure there will be a vibrant secondary market, so anybody needing a single would be crazy to buy a 2nd kit just for that. Trade with a friend on go on eBay.

Ultimately, I think the cost is justified--as they have a lot of ship cards and upgrades and materials needed to play. I think what makes it suck for a lot of us is that we bought our collections over time and the necessary cost to run any of our lists has gone up. I don't I'll need multiple conversions for any of my lists, but that's still 150 bucks for all three out of five factions. So, I'll have to spread out my purchases (and wait to fly my SF's and see how much first order and resistance conversions cost).

It may be a great game upgrade and I'm going to try it, but I really don't get the fanboy dismissal of the costs. It's okay for people to say, "****, I'm going to have to shell out a lot of cash."

4 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Core is another cash grab, buy the whole box to get a damage deck and 1 straight manuever.

Because you will never bump.

1 minute ago, direweasel said:

I'm sure there will be a vibrant secondary market, so anybody needing a single would be crazy to buy a 2nd kit just for that. Trade with a friend on go on eBay.

Have you ever looked at the secondary market for this game? Cards that people want (like AT) are either always "sold out" or half the price of the product they come with. I fully expect A wings to fall under that sold out / might as well buy a kit yourself area. Same with TIE fighters. The secondary market will be flooded with Decimator upgrades and Ghosts.

Just now, skotothalamos said:

Because you will never bump.

Because I have never bumped before.

Even if it was necessary, that's an excessive price for a few pieces of cardboard.

6 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Core is another cash grab, buy the whole box to get a damage deck and 1 straight manuever.

Also the 3 turns because of T-Rolls, and the 1 banks because of funky B-Rolls (fingers crossed for viable Lorrir!), and the two-speeds for decloaks... I'm sad to have my beautiful set of templates invalidated, but I see the gain. Hope my manifacturer does 2.0 templates soon.

Maybe spamming a bunch of one ship type will no longer be viable? The devs seem to have learned for Armada (especially after the latest FAQ) and Legion to make diversity in squads a blessing, so maybe running more than 3 A-wings won't be a good choice.

spamming ships should be viable if they do their job right

but then, so should NOT spamming ships

so you don't have to spam ships right out the gate, and one conversion should give you tons of options to start exploring

...unless FFG **** it up, ofc

7 minutes ago, Khyros said:

Have you ever looked at the secondary market for this game? Cards that people want (like AT) are either always "sold out" or half the price of the product they come with. I fully expect A wings to fall under that sold out / might as well buy a kit yourself area. Same with TIE fighters. The secondary market will be flooded with Decimator upgrades and Ghosts.

I think the market for this will be different, because a lot of people will have a few things they don't want.

And yes, I've actually gotten some pretty decent deals on singles. I knew I'd never buy the transport, so I got the X Wing and all the stuff that came with it from that set for $16 off eBay. Got an Experimental Interface so I could fly Psycho Tycho for $3. It can be done.

Again this will be different. I can tell you that a bug chunk of my rebel conversion kit will go on eBay pretty quick. I don't own any Z-95s. I only have 1 Sabine's TIE, 1 HWK, 1 Arc, and so on. All those extras will be there. Same with imperials. I won't be the only one. There will be a pretty solid supply, so I think it will keep prices from getting crazy.

You also conveniently skipped over the part where I said "trade with a friend", because I'm sure there will be a fair bit of that too.

23 minutes ago, direweasel said:

I think the market for this will be different, because a lot of people will have a few things they don't want.

And yes, I've actually gotten some pretty decent deals on singles. I knew I'd never buy the transport, so I got the X Wing and all the stuff that came with it from that set for $16 off eBay. Got an Experimental Interface so I could fly Psycho Tycho for $3. It can be done.

Again this will be different. I can tell you that a bug chunk of my rebel conversion kit will go on eBay pretty quick. I don't own any Z-95s. I only have 1 Sabine's TIE, 1 HWK, 1 Arc, and so on. All those extras will be there. Same with imperials. I won't be the only one. There will be a pretty solid supply, so I think it will keep prices from getting crazy.

You also conveniently skipped over the part where I said "trade with a friend", because I'm sure there will be a fair bit of that too.

I didn't conveniently skip over that - the same issue is going to arise with that. Most people are going to want more defender cards. Most people are going to want more A Wing cards. Most people don't need 2 HWK cards or 3 Decimator cards. Experimental Interface is easy to pick up because it's unique, so anyone that buys a second YT-2400 has an extra. And that $60 retail transport is really $40 routinely. And all of the X Wing stuff in it is unique as well. I know I picked up a second transport for epic play and sold the X Wing stuff for $20, netting me an entire epic model for the same price as what someone paid for the X Wing. Heck, my best deal was Xmas 2016, Amazon had the Raider on sale for $55, so I picked up a second and sold the TIE/x1 and Palp for $50 because that's where the "value" of the pack was.

Keep in mind to have a demand, you have to have more than the amount in the conversion kit. How many people have 3 Sabine TIEs or 3 HWKs? You will be able to get good deals on those HWK cards, so for the guy that has 5 HWKs, he can probably pick up 3-5 for $10 or less. But for that guy that has 5 A Wings, they'll likely be $10 each. And his friends are more likely to have 3 A Wings. And since they faction split the upgrades, there's not even the entire "I'll trade you my useless imperials stuff for your Rebel stuff." Well, I guess there could be if you casually buy everything but focus on a single faction, and have a friend that does exactly the opposite. But that's now getting quite specific.

Sure, some particular ones will be tougher to come by than others, but if you look you should still be able to save money over buying a whole second set.

OR, BUY the whole second set for a few bits, and sell off 80% of it to re-coup your costs. If I see the prices for defender conversions getting real high like you suggest, I might buy a 2nd set just for the express purpose of selling off bits. I'll do the math, maybe I'll be able to get more than $50 back from a whole thing, one piece at a time.

And you're right, I don't anticipate getting much for my extra Sabine's Tie stuff, for instance. Maybe some of it will carry over to be of some minimal use to an Imperial player, who knows? But some of the others I should do fine.

I also know trading will work. I have a friend who loves HWKs, and I don't own a single one. He'll want my HWK stuff. I don't know how many A-Wings he has, I don't think 3...so I'll trade him for those. I only have 3, so I personally won't need them, but as you say, eBay demand should be heavy.