I have a large collection, and shockingly I feel that they did a good job catering to me and making the transition as affordable as possible.

People like me who have large collections already drop the cost of converting all their ships on each expansion anyways.

+1 to ffg for making the transition as painless as possible. It could have been much worse (old ships simply useless, or single ship conversion packs for $5 each... or any number of really nasty things).

What we need to remember is this forum is going to complain, its the default nature of the forum.

1 minute ago, GrimmyV said:

I have only bought one of each expansion, including the ace pacs, so only one of each conversion kit will do me just fine. (I just like to gripe because that’s my online persona, annoying isn’t it!)

BUT... I’ve got 5 GUNBOATS because of several reasons:

they are awesome.

first official GUNBOAT merch ever, so I need multiple copies to satisfy 2.5 decades of severe GUNBOAT toy drought.

5 is the official compliment of GUNBOAT per ISD

5 GUNBOATS flying in V formation is iconic, nostalgic and just plain beautiful

you can technically fit 5 in a standard list

and, I said I would buy a BOAT load of GUNBOAT if they were released, and I did.

so, I guess I’ll be parting out the conversion kits like some large LEGO set to swap out those extra Decis and HWKs for GUNBOATS.

I'm pretty sure that if one gets with the other guys you play with you'll be able to figure out just how many conversion kits you need among you to convert every model in the group to 2.0. I only have one of most of the large based ships. I'm going to have stuff to trade with just getting one kit for a faction.

1 hour ago, PastrySandwich said:

Sure the people that way over bought can expect to need multiple copies, but it doesn't change the fact that FFG made some bad calls on their end as well. I mean its not that uncommon to have 4 Y-wings and only 2 in the kit, yet they made room for 3 quadjumpers (a ship it was easy to own 0 of), or the 3 decimators (which I don't even think you could have run in a match). So there is plenty of room for justifiable complaints about the make-up of the kits.

Except I own 4x y-wings and 5x quad jumpers... 2x kits covers me well. If those numbers of inclusions were reversed then I would not have the right amount.

Not everyone can win, some people will get what they need some won't its impossible to please everyone other than making the kit massive and doubling its cost and that would just piss off more people.

** I still think the decimator thing is a type-o

One of the things I think they messed up on is the conversion kit ratios. They should have done a 100pt of each ship, then there could be no (ok it's the interweb, LIMITED) *******. Besides a few with ridiculously large collections, most issues are ships that swarms are common, 4 Ys, 5 A, 8 TIES, 3-4 X, 2 Defenders, etc. I have 15 TIE but I don't want new cardboard for all of them, but I will for the max I can fit in a list, currently 8 in the future?? .

57 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Here's something I didn't put together till now

Some ships have the same EXACT dial as 1.0, most notably the TIE Fighter (greens are just colored blue)

And we all know we're going to be swimming in extra bases because of all the pilots we can run

...yeah I'd be surprised if you couldn't immidiately run all your TIE fighters with just one box. Just not at storechampions+, ofc

This begs the question then of why they need new dials in the first place. I will be really impressed if FFG allows you to use the old TIE dials in 2.0 tournaments - that would be pretty classy. But I highly doubt they will.

As far as swimming in extra bases, I don't see how many bases are included in the conversion kit. I'm not convinced it will be enough for every ship dial included. I expect it will be more like "enough to run a squad." Maybe I'm wrong. I'm still not entirely sure why new bases are needed at all. I'm not seeing anything in the new bases besides some potentially moderately helpful hash marks on the midway point of the sides. You could add that in with a ruler and a marker or paintbrush. Will they let you run old bases in tournaments? I doubt it.

On the subject of parceling out conversion kits in the aftermarket, I have this feeling that everyone is going to want the same conversions. So it will be impossible to find a Y-wing conversion but ebay will be awash in that extra Ghost conversion...

new dials because they're blue instead of green, the layout is different (in that you can see all your maneuvers now, like you could with the "upgraded" FFG dials sold seperately) and also because it'd be weird to not have new dials in a conversion kit just because your 1.0 dials fit the bill

question is why 3 decimators but only 2 defenders? slight mismatch

I have a lot of cheap cannon-fodder ships, like Z-95s, and Scyks. But 4 per pack doesn’t bother me. Only rarely, if ever, have I been crazy enough to run 5+. And I never saw the point of getting more than 1 or possibly two copies of any particular large ship. However I am a bit nervous in regards to ships like the Starviper or Kihraxs, where I have a surplus of about 5 of them. But if the dials and dial upgrades for those ships don’t change, then it might be possible to extend the upgrade kit beyond just the 2-ships.

Just now, ficklegreendice said:

new dials because they're blue, and also because it'd be weird to not have new dials in a conversion kit just because your 1.0 dials fit the bill

This is probably close to the truth. But it's tough to tell if you are being sarcastic.

At first I was bummed about the numbers in the conversion kits. Then I realized an epic conversion kit will come and I hope that will have a conversion for more fighters. Epic is still part of X-Wing and 5 X-wings is not outlandish there.

dont forget us Epic players, FFG! (And I know they won’t)

3 hours ago, Lord Ashram said:

"Epic players don't worry, keep playing, we will take care of you..."?

I find that sentence vague and unconvincing.

3 hours ago, Otacon said:

I kinda figured that was more meant to mean '2.0 epic rules and conversion kits for your huge ships are coming at some point', though perhaps they could be doing some extra stuff along those lines for the format...I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Yeah, exactly.

3 hours ago, Jadotch said:

PS I am not really insulted about the conversation kits, but having to buy the core set and expansion packs that I have from 1.0 but will have exclusive upgrades in them. (I don’t need anymore ships.)

That's right. In the long run, nothing you currently own is really going to serve as mitigating a buy-in to 2.0.

2 hours ago, BigBadAndy said:

But I would rather feel like a part of the community.

This. . .

2 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

I'm still a little confused as to why people are complaining about having to kit out their 10 X-Wings or 5 Lambda-Class Shuttles. You can't fit that many into a standard game, and Epic hasn't switched over yet, so 1st Edition still works there. Why do you feel the need to upgrade everything you own when you can't possibly play it all?

. . .and the Epic community just got dumped on again.

"We fixed the game!! Oh, no, not your part. But we'll get around to it someday. . .just keep playing!"

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

Here's something I didn't put together till now

Some ships have the same EXACT dial as 1.0, most notably the TIE Fighter (greens are just colored blue)

I had wondered about this. It would be great to know what dials haven't changed at all and could use 1.0 versions.

Gonna need to wait for more previews

So far, Tie fighter and fang are confirmed identical. Ywing you just need to color in blue 1+banks

T65 is a lost cause, unless you take a t70 dial and color in blue 2-banks

The lists of ships covered in the conversion kits have changed again.

46 minutes ago, beowolf777 said:

The lists of ships covered in the conversion kits have changed again.

Where do you see that?

Just now, direweasel said:

Where do you see that?

There has just been a glut of threads about it.

Well they already released a bunch of old ships in different waves. I think with 2.0 they are gradually going to re-release all 1st edition into 2.0 so that players that start next year won't have to search down a B-wing and a conversion kit just to play them.

Old Tie Fighter dials will stay the same. No need to get new dials for all your Tie Fighters!

2 hours ago, Cusm said:

One of the things I think they messed up on is the conversion kit ratios. They should have done a 100pt of each ship, then there could be no (ok it's the interweb, LIMITED) *******. Besides a few with ridiculously large collections, most issues are ships that swarms are common, 4 Ys, 5 A, 8 TIES, 3-4 X, 2 Defenders, etc. I have 15 TIE but I don't want new cardboard for all of them, but I will for the max I can fit in a list, currently 8 in the future?? .

There'd be plenty of whining if they did 100pts of each ship. That nearly doubles the number of conversions in the pack (since it comes with roughly half of a 100 point list, rounded up), which means the conversion kit would be a lot more expensive, and you haev a LOT of players that only have 1-2 of each ship, so you'd have them complaining about spending probably $80-100 to get a bunhc of extra conversions they'll never need/use. This way playres with smaller collectinos get less extra crap and players with larger collections can buy extras to cover it.

How about those of us who bought only the number of ships that could be fielded in a 100 point list that are unhappy we have to buy 2 conversion kits? I have 4 X-Wings, 5 A-Wings, 8 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Interceptors, and 6 Z-95s because I am a player that enjoys flying swarms and seeing large squadrons of the same ship on the table. These were accumulated over 5 years of playing. Now I get to pay $200 if I want to keep using the ships I already payed for when 1.0 gets completely dropped from all OP come September. Were my purchases "over the top"?

I am making the necessary sacrifices to be prepared for 2.0 when it drops, but this thread feels a bit like schadenfreude. Maybe just accept that 2.0 hurts some players more than others and let people mourn their wallets without making an entire thread just to lick the salty tears from their eyes?

12 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

How about those of us who bought only the number of ships that could be fielded in a 100 point list that are unhappy we have to buy 2 conversion kits? I have 4 X-Wings, 5 A-Wings, 8 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Interceptors, and 6 Z-95s because I am a player that enjoys flying swarms and seeing large squadrons of the same ship on the table. These were accumulated over 5 years of playing. Now I get to pay $200 if I want to keep using the ships I already payed for when 1.0 gets completely dropped from all OP come September. Were my purchases "over the top"?

I am making the necessary sacrifices to be prepared for 2.0 when it drops, but this thread feels a bit like schadenfreude. Maybe just accept that 2.0 hurts some players more than others and let people mourn their wallets without making an entire thread just to lick the salty tears from their eyes?

Well I mean hats off to the OP. This is the first time anybody has used the anonymity of the internet to display a complete lack of empathy for others. Its new, refreshing, and I think it may catch on.

I feel bad for folks that may lose access to some of their ships because of the cost. It's ok to understand that FFG wanted to revamp the system, and they have to recoup their investment. It's also ok to understand that the decision may be burdensome to some players in the community. I'm happy for the 100/6 players, from what I saw on the TC feed this is an improvement for them.

As for Epic? Well, from what I've seen I'm not so sure 2.0 is the way you want to go. There seem to be quite a few more individual decisions per activation. Some may prefer to stay at 1.0 for Epic play.

Regardless, I hope you're able to continue playing the way you want to.

9 minutes ago, EastCoast said:

As for Epic? Well, from what I've seen I'm not so sure 2.0 is the way you want to go. There seem to be quite a few more individual decisions per activation. Some may prefer to stay at 1.0 for Epic play.

I truly pity the Epic players who also play Standard (which is every epic player?), they have to buy into 2.0 and then have to manage both a 1.0 and 2.0 collection for Epic and Standard, and then they will inevitably have to buy more conversion kits to field more fighters when Epic finally does come to 2.0.

I have to agree with Lord Ashram's original post and core sentiments. X Wing V1 was a well matured game that was showing its age and losing momentum. It had ended up suffering to some extent from stats creep and shinney syndrome, plus all the cries on the community on how new ship Z has broken the game, I some times felt that dummies were being hurled out of prams like bomblets from an incontinent Scurrg H6. The game was at a stage where pretty much all the well known ship and lot of the lesser known and some down right "where the heck did that come from" ships were released.

When you hear of a good player bemoaning that he got TLT'd to death or Imperor Palpy turning up to a dog fight in a Shuttle game after game, you get feeling that rules and stats creep along with the resultant FAQs and amendments was getting a bit too much to keep up with. So releasing 2.0 as an all round reboot at this stage seems to me to be about right.

They have made it quite clear that unlike Warble Hamster new editions, 2.0 won't make any existing models redundant or remove them from the lexicon or what ever other mutilated Latin list name . OK, no one likes to spend out on things like games reboot packs, but lets be honest, you don't by X Wing unless you have decided to allocate some portion of your income as disposable or for entertainment purposes. Your certainly unlikely to be a regular at the local food bank.

Therefore compared to many other entertainment options, even dare I say it typical night out the upgrade packs are less than: getting hammered followed by a dodgy kebab (gyro to those in the American colonies) and a taxi home. Also if you play X Wing you are probably in the middle of the normal distribution curve of smart phone users. So linking an app to the game to make points values an adaptive and dynamic process based upon 2.0 evolution and future development makes lot of sense. Though I can see a rush for external battery units for phones occurring as well.

I'm NOT an FFG fan boy but in this case the community should cut FFG a bit of slack. At this stage I suppose I should be on the look out for a few incontinent Scurrgs heading my way.

@Olddog you’re not wrong. But I, for one, am brand new to the game. I played my first game of X-Wing with my son on Christmas Eve. So I haven’t really explored the full game space yet and I feel like the game has a lot of untapped potential outside of just the organized play, 100pt tournament format. It just seems like a lot of what they are accomplishing with 2.0 could have been accomplished with rules modifications of the current game instead.

They haven’t sold me on why this will make my experience better, and I can see a lot of hassles and frustrations during the transition period. So while I agree it’s wrong to burn FFG in effigy (pun intended) over this, I also don’t think it’s wrong to expect them to do more to convince me.

1 hour ago, Tvboy said:

I truly pity the Epic players who also play Standard (which is every epic player?), they have to buy into 2.0 and then have to manage both a 1.0 and 2.0 collection for Epic and Standard, and then they will inevitably have to buy more conversion kits to field more fighters when Epic finally does come to 2.0.

This is a large driving force for me staying at 1.0.

When will I see a change?? Who knows.

How many waves will there be of upcycled material? Who knows.

Did I hate 1.0? Nope.

Do I want to part with $500 in Sept to play the game I have been fine with? No.

And neither does my brother, who is my main opponent. So even if I was more gung ho, I would be stuck at 1.0, anyways.

28 minutes ago, BigBadAndy said:

@Olddog you’re not wrong. But I, for one, am brand new to the game. I played my first game of X-Wing with my son on Christmas Eve. So I haven’t really explored the full game space yet and I feel like the game has a lot of untapped potential outside of just the organized play, 100pt tournament format. It just seems like a lot of what they are accomplishing with 2.0 could have been accomplished with rules modifications of the current game instead.

They haven’t sold me on why this will make my experience better, and I can see a lot of hassles and frustrations during the transition period. So while I agree it’s wrong to burn FFG in effigy (pun intended) over this, I also don’t think it’s wrong to expect them to do more to convince me.

Not sure if this will interest you, but I watched the interview with Andrew Navarro. The new core set looks like it will come with some nice pre-built lists based on threat cost for quick easy play. For a casual that plays with family, that is a really nice boon, list building is a giant PitA if you want a quick game with your kids.

I'm still not completely sold on the upgrade, but if they can spend a little time and effort on the casual side of things I'll reward them with more money. I stopped collecting after wave 7 because I didn't really care for the ships, some of the new mechanics, and FFG put zero effort into anything related to casual play. The pre-built lists are one of those easy little touches that make me pause and say "Ok, I'm listening."