Anyone who ran TIE swarms will need two packs (since the core has two TIEs, I mean you'll have 10 TIEs then but meh). Triple defenders yeah, that's a bummer for those.

Those are the only staple lists that come to mind not covered by the packs.

Well, how many bumpmasters are covered?

24 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

I did find myself frowning at the 3 x X-Wings / 4 x TIE Fighters in the conversion kits at first. But then I realised you'll get extra cardboard and tokens for both in the new Core Set anyway.

But you will also get new miniatures for those... ?

Probably too late, but I also wish FFG exchanged one kit decimator for 1 defender.

1 hour ago, Lord Ashram said:

... I am having a slightly hard time feeling for players who bought what everyone, including them, knew at the time was a completely over the top number of ships... you know, like the type where they would gleefully post photos of 120+ ships and go on about their ten X-Wings or twelve TIE fighters or five Falcons... spending thousands along the way...

... who are now mad they have to either a) accept not spending enough money to have the dials and cards for each and every ship, even though you will almost never use them all at once, or b) have to spend a fraction of their original investment to convert over.

I mean... I get it... but I don’t feel THAT bad.

There types a tourney player that doesn't play themed epic large games.

I don't have a stupid amount but would rather have 1 of each large ship but add extra BWs, AWs and XWs.

A) I'm not sure how accurate the conversion kit ship numbers in that FAQ are... 2 gunboats and 3 decimators just doesn't make sense.

B) You don't think that local game stores won't open conversion kits and sell the ships separately like they do Destiny cards? Or Team Covenant won't be doing something like this? Or ebay?

Whats the point of this post beside rubbing it in to those that feel bad right now? Let them vent for a day or two. They are part of the reason the game did so well.

Oh, the reseller shops will definitely be selling singles from the conversion kits, they'd be mad not to.

2 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Yup.

I'm *slightly* in that boat myself. I think it would have solved a lot of these problems if the conversion kits came with 3 of most ships instead of 2, since that's generally, roughly a squad's worth. I imagine that's why FFG chose 2, enough to seem fairly reasonable, but just few enough that a lot of people will want two kits (same with the 4 Z-95s and TIE Fighters). Can't complain too much though.

It's all the new sleeves for the upgrade cards that's gonna cost!

Take a look at the 2.0 stuff in the store. Everything comes with free FFG sleeve packs!

everything is lies

2 hours ago, Lord Ashram said:

... I am having a slightly hard time feeling for players who bought what everyone, including them, knew at the time was a completely over the top number of ships... you know, like the type where they would gleefully post photos of 120+ ships and go on about their ten X-Wings or twelve TIE fighters or five Falcons... spending thousands along the way...

... who are now mad they have to either a) accept not spending enough money to have the dials and cards for each and every ship, even though you will almost never use them all at once, or b) have to spend a fraction of their original investment to convert over.

I mean... I get it... but I don’t feel THAT bad.

Nothing is keeping them from selling some part of their overloaded collection to finance the conversion cost of what they actually need...

1 hour ago, Chucknuckle said:

Not all of us stuck slavishly to the 100/6 meta. Not all of us wanted one of everything from every new wave.

A lot of us liked to play Epic games, and games even larger than that where you could happily run 12 TIE Fighters or 10 X Wings.

Of course. But didn't they say something like "Epic players don't worry, keep playing, we will take care of you..."? I am assuming they will have some sort of "one card covers a squadron of five of the same ship" or something coming, so you dont need a card for each and every ship?

1 hour ago, Chucknuckle said:

It's harder to proxy dials and baseplates. Pilot cards and upgrade cards are easy, but getting my hands on all those dials is going to be headache.

Realistically I'm waiting until 2.0 is actually released and I can see what options are available and what we REALLY need to play before I decide how to proceed, but at this stage I'm thinking third party lasercut baseplates/dials and printed pilot/upgrade cards.

Good luck with that. The cardboard is IP. Anyone selling it third party is going to get slapped with a CnD pronto, unless they lay super low, and then they'll just get slapped with an actual lawsuit once they get caught. But I do actually appreciate the bolded part, that's 100% the right attitude (emphasis mine).

1 hour ago, Polaritie said:

Anyone who ran TIE swarms will need two packs (since the core has two TIEs, I mean you'll have 10 TIEs then but meh). Triple defenders yeah, that's a bummer for those.

Those are the only staple lists that come to mind not covered by the packs.

Well, how many bumpmasters are covered?

But we also don't know how the new point system will, is it even possible to run three defenders now?

3 minutes ago, Lord Ashram said:

Of course. But didn't they say something like "Epic players don't worry, keep playing, we will take care of you..."? I am assuming they will have some sort of "one card covers a squadron of five of the same ship" or something coming, so you dont need a card for each and every ship?

I kinda figured that was more meant to mean '2.0 epic rules and conversion kits for your huge ships are coming at some point', though perhaps they could be doing some extra stuff along those lines for the format...I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Let’s talk irony, budgeting and disposable income. I am one of those people.

I got into X-Wing about 4 years ago, right when I was looking to upgrade to a smartphone. I made the choice to stick to a $25 a month dumb phone and budgeted $55 dollars a month on this game I really enjoy. (Roughly the rate of an AT&T bill and an ok smartphones monthly payment.)

Tax returns I bought an Epic, that was the plan and I stick to it.

Eventually I caught up. Me and my friends usually play casual Epic (goal was 12 Ties and 6 X-Wings), my corvette is in the mail and should arrive any day. Yes I cheated time to time when there was a ship I really liked.

Granted, price have finally reached a reasonable level for data on smart phones and I just recently bought one. (Also I have been buying less and less X-Wing as I caught up.)

But I paid for X-Wing by not having a smartphone.

Now they pretty much want you to have a smartphone App AND upgrade all my stuff.

Excuse me for seeing it as a little insulting.

PS I am not really insulted about the conversation kits, but having to buy the core set and expansion packs that I have from 1.0 but will have exclusive upgrades in them. (I don’t need anymore ships.)

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

I have my theories on that. Like, they're going to make them fit 3 to a list

But no, I suspect that one is probably down to having the tooling set up for a certain proportion of small/large/medium bases and simply not having enough large base ships in the empire faction to fill it out. Cutting dies are EXPENSIVE.

I think it's likely a mistake on the list.

34 minutes ago, Thormind said:

Nothing is keeping them from selling some part of their overloaded collection to finance the conversion cost of what they actually need...

And with 2nd ed incoming, and better sculpts, and articulated x-wings... how many people will be willing to shell out money for outdated stuff?

I'll have one TIE Fighter and 3 T-65's that the conversion kits won't cover. Given that I'll pick up the 2.0 Core and Saw's Renegades and the conversion kits I'm covered to run four T-65's and six TIEs. My other extreme is 3 Protectorate Starfighters and you'll get bits for three of those in the conversion kit. From where I'm sitting they got the bits in the conversion kits spot on really.

I think we'll see that when we learn more about the squad building and such. From what I've seen of the quick builds and the "threat level" concept I expect the conversion kits will end up being "just right" in regards to numbers of ships and assortment of upgrades.

4 minutes ago, Jadotch said:



Excuse me for seeing it as a little insulting. 

Trust me, I get the budgeting thing. It's taken me about a year, and selling off other gaming stuff, to get up to about 40 ships. None of them epic scale, almost all small (exceptions being 2 falcons, 1 ghost, 1 decimator). I get it.

But the game is 6 years old. The FAQ is 25 pages. The new ships all have to include upgrade cards to fix imbalances. Almost every thread on here until yesterday was "nerf this" or "this needs upgraded" and so on. It had to be done. Scale creep is a natural thing, and the wave 1 stuff couldn't possibly have foreseen all the wave 14 stuff and how it would all interact. It was time to start fresh.

If it truly does improve the game (and of course we can't KNOW that yet, but by most accounts the initial impression seems very positive), then I'll gladly find a way to make this happen. In addition, by leaving points off the cards, they have increased the likelihood that this edition will last a lot longer than the last, and might even be possible to be made permanent, because they can tweak points on ships and upgrades to help maintain balance.

Those are things I will find a way to support.

Here's the thing: You know there will be fan made stickers that you will be able to stick on the old dials to make them 2E compliant. Are you going to take your large number of ships to some official FFG event that requires official dials?

If you are just wanting to play fun 2E with your large collection than why do you NEED to have official conversion kits? You know there will be some cheap way to update your stuff.

8 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

And with 2nd ed incoming, and better sculpts, and articulated x-wings... how many people will be willing to shell out money for outdated stuff?

I'm certainly going to be bargain shopping for some stuff. I'll bet I'm not alone. For instance, I can guarantee I'll be looking for a 2nd Decimator before the conversion kit hits, knowing the conversion will already be included.

58 minutes ago, nexttwelveexits said:

Take a look at the 2.0 stuff in the store. Everything comes with free FFG sleeve packs!

Where are you seeing that? I don't see where you get details about what's in the packs.

5 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

And with 2nd ed incoming, and better sculpts, and articulated x-wings... how many people will be willing to shell out money for outdated stuff?

I know i wouldnt mind saving 50% on my ships for slightly less interesting models...

4 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

Where are you seeing that? I don't see where you get details about what's in the packs.

I think I'm wrong about that now that I've seen an unboxing video. I inferred it from the sale pages, which have listed numbers of sleeve packs, but now I think it's telling you how many sleeve packs you need and not how many come with it. My bad

No one has to feel sorry for anyone. People have a right to complain and people have a right not to care - that’s fine.

But you should recognize that somewhere between “I bought 12 copies of everything, mwa ha ha!” and “I have one of each ship, so the conversion kit gives me lots of extras!” Are a lot of people who assembled specific squads. I like tie interceptors so I have four. I also have three Xwings and the conversion kit only converts two. I have four a wings and four b wings - not because I’m a hoarder but because these make interesting squads (I am not a competitive okayer, I play for fun). It always seemed fun to me to fly an actual squadron rather than a weird mishmash of “game function” ships. I’m not here to field K wings and Scurrgs so I can win a tournament.

Ebay probably makes a lot of sense but if FFG follows their typical pattern of low supply then it’s not going to be very helpful. If I can get a ship converted for $3 then that’s great. If it starts costing me $10 for a fighter then I’m better off getting a second $50 kit. Is it the end Of the world? No. Can I just say “nope” and keep my collection exactly as is and keep playing with my friends? Absolutely. But I would rather feel like a part of the community.

I'm still a little confused as to why people are complaining about having to kit out their 10 X-Wings or 5 Lambda-Class Shuttles. You can't fit that many into a standard game, and Epic hasn't switched over yet, so 1st Edition still works there. Why do you feel the need to upgrade everything you own when you can't possibly play it all?