*I'm aware this starts with me being negative!*

For a long time people have complained about X-Wing.

Now, not only is a lot of being fixed, but our old gear isn't obsolete.

But all people can focus on is cost.

No one is forcing you get it all straight off!

I've been in this for 4 years now, and I've built things up over waves. I never felt a need to have everything, and would get some later.

Personally I'm extremely excited for 2.0, and I'm looking forward to sort of starting over. After so long of being aware of the issues the game we love has, can't we be excited about the changes?

FFG are a business, and they'll do things that make sense from a business perspective.

But as far as I can see, they could have been far colder about this. We're not losing our old ships and we've got a means to keep going.

Plus guys...the Y-Wing is getting a new sculpt! That's worth being happy about alone!

I'm fairly optimistic about the new rules, and I know there may be teething trouble, but that's how new systems go.

I'm a student so I'm pretty much poor 24/7. Am I feeling a little trepidation about the costs required to update my collection? Yes. Will I likely consolidate it in order to afford it? Maybe. Am I rage-quitting? No.

The last time I saw this much hate directed at a system, it was all of the old WHFB veterans hating on AoS...

X-Wing is the first big tabletop game my brother and I have got into. Since we got started in Wave IV it's become a huge part of our lives.

This is the first time we've had to deal with a new edition or any kind of big change.

There's an odd feeling of trepidation and maybe even mourning; that 'our' game is on the way out.

But that is overshadowed by genuine excitement of what's to come. Everything that has been said rules wise so far makes complete sense. Then there are the new sculpts (again, Y-Wing), and the new app. I'm stoked!

I might even use the new edition to break out into being a Rebel player for the first time.

So many possibilities. Shame a lot of people seemingly can't see that.

People will see when it is released. I expect FFG accomplish their goal of making 2nd ed. very maneuver-centric and the movie-ships infinitely more interesting and viable. They will look at their Miranda-Wing and at 2nd ed. and see that 2nd ed. does offer so much that it is worth it.

I understand hesitation and initial rejection and holding off from the jump. Therefor I will make it early and start campaigning for it, offering demo and full games. Playing this new edition and truly grasping what it does for the game will do a lot to convince players how neccessary it truly is.

The cost is fine, but if tired of having to buy multiple ffg boxes to cover My needs. If you want a tournament level deckare in the card games it's x3 core sets. Now 2x conversion kits.

It's an annoying buisness tactics and yes I Will call them in it everytime

3 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

The cost is fine, but if tired of having to buy multiple ffg boxes to cover My needs. If you want a tournament level deckare in the card games it's x3 core sets. Now 2x conversion kits.

It's an annoying buisness tactics and yes I Will call them in it everytime

'Business tactic'. FFG are a business. They make stacks of money; money we keep giving them.

So why keep getting upset? If you don't like it, vote with your wallet!

Then leave. A forum is a place for discussion, a fundamental rewrite of the whole game warrants a lot of discussion, and not everyone is seeing the move as overwhelmingly positive - because it's far too early and far too scarce on detail for anyone to be taking a completely positive ('this is the best thing EVER!') *or* negative ('this is an outrage, I quit!') outlook. There are valid concerns to be had over the change, and you achieve nothing by complaining about those who express them.

9 minutes ago, MalusCalibur said:

Then leave. A forum is a place for discussion, a fundamental rewrite of the whole game warrants a lot of discussion, and not everyone is seeing the move as overwhelmingly positive - because it's far too early and far too scarce on detail for anyone to be taking a completely positive ('this is the best thing EVER!') *or* negative ('this is an outrage, I quit!') outlook. There are valid concerns to be had over the change, and you achieve nothing by complaining about those who express them.

I think you should apply your own logic and leave the thread.

Yes, I'm in a positive place with it all. I feel that the positives I've seen so far, from turrets to colour blind corrections to less plastic packaging, far outweigh the cost concerns.

FFG can't win regardless of what they do.

If they kept going the design space would lead to more problems.

If they binned it all there would be uproar about all the old stuff we've bought.

This way seems reasonable.

It's a big change, and it's right to be concerned. As I explained, I'm feeling a weird sense of loss for 1.0. It's been my game for a long time now.

But let's at least try to be positive. There's too much negativity in the rest of the world. Let's try and make our game a positive space.

1 minute ago, SDCC said:

I think you should apply your own logic and leave the thread.

Of course - how *dare* I not entirely agree with you, and call you out for the nonsense that this thread represents. How dare any of us say anything bad or express any concerns over the entire game we've been playing being overhauled and requiring a whole new buy in that is steeper than some of us had hoped. What cretins we are for not being immediately and entirely overjoyed when there are a ton of unanswered questions and unknown information.
That attitude is just as damaging as being overwhelmingly negative and quitting the game at this stage - because it is *far* too soon to be going to *either* extreme. So perhaps you could stop trying to be the 'Forum Police' and telling folk to abandon all valid concerns because everything is new and shiny.

20 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

The cost is fine, but if tired of having to buy multiple ffg boxes to cover My needs. If you want a tournament level deckare in the card games it's x3 core sets. Now 2x conversion kits.

It's an annoying buisness tactics and yes I Will call them in it everytime

Think of it like this. A single fix-pack for 2 ships cost 40 Bucks in X-Wing 1.0.

If what we have seen from the Y-Wing (gains red BR, red reload, native bomb slot, a gunner slot and probably EPTs for elite pilots) is anything to go by, they went back and fixed ALL the ships that needed help, making thees effectively a "fix-pack" for roughly 15 ships that costs 10 dollars more.

Do the math.

1 minute ago, MalusCalibur said:

Of course - how *dare* I not entirely agree with you, and call you out for the nonsense that this thread represents. How dare any of us say anything bad or express any concerns over the entire game we've been playing being overhauled and requiring a whole new buy in that is steeper than some of us had hoped. What cretins we are for not being immediately and entirely overjoyed when there are a ton of unanswered questions and unknown information.
That attitude is just as damaging as being overwhelmingly negative and quitting the game at this stage - because it is *far* too soon to be going to *either* extreme. So perhaps you could stop trying to be the 'Forum Police' and telling folk to abandon all valid concerns because everything is new and shiny.

Wow. I edited my response. Give that a whirl before jumping down my throat.

I haven't been abusive to anyone. You might want to check your attitude.

I don't even see that much negativity. The one major point of negative criticism is the contents and price point of the conversion kits. With minor complaints for having to buy yet another core set and the implementation of an app. Everything else seems to be very positive,

I can tell I'm genuinely excited about this because I'm thoroughly enjoying reading all the salt sprinkled about the place. It just makes me feel warm inside.

1 minute ago, Reaver027 said:

I don't even see that much negativity. The one major point of negative criticism is the contents and price point of the conversion kits. With minor complaints for having to buy yet another core set and the implementation of an app. Everything else seems to be very positive,

Apologies, I could have been clearer.

What I've seen is across various platforms. Facebook etc.

Maybe it's one of those cases where I've seen those with a negative opinion shout the loudest.

7 minutes ago, __underscore__ said:

I can tell I'm genuinely excited about this because I'm thoroughly enjoying reading all the salt sprinkled about the place. It just makes me feel warm inside.

On one hand I see what you mean!

Genuine concerns are valid. But saltiness doesn't help anyone. It's horrible to see people so upset!

12 minutes ago, Duskwalker said:

Think of it like this. A single fix-pack for 2 ships cost 40 Bucks in X-Wing 1.0.

If what we have seen from the Y-Wing (gains red BR, red reload, native bomb slot, a gunner slot and probably EPTs for elite pilots) is anything to go by, they went back and fixed ALL the ships that needed help, making thees effectively a "fix-pack" for roughly 15 ships that costs 10 dollars more.

Do the math.

This is an awesome way to look at it.

A box that possibly makes all of your rubbish pilots decent?! That's worth the money for options alone.

Maybe someone will use Lorrir!

1 minute ago, SDCC said:

It's horrible to see people so upset!

On the contrary, it's great when people get so upset about something so good. It means that once the dust of the release has cleared they're going to have a massive increase in happiness levels, whereas we hyped fools can only stay even at best.

On the other hand, they may be bitter people at their very core, in which case we should celebrate their ability to find negatives in even the tightest situation and fulfil their inner personal balance.

1 hour ago, SDCC said:

*I'm aware this starts with me being negative!*

For a long time people have complained about X-Wing.

Now, not only is a lot of being fixed, but our old gear isn't obsolete.

But all people can focus on is cost.

No one is forcing you get it all straight off!

I've been in this for 4 years now, and I've built things up over waves. I never felt a need to have everything, and would get some later.

I am in the game for two and half years. My collection is not superbig. I am not sure if I'd be able to convert both my factions (Resistence and Scum) but hey, I am looking forward to it. The best news in x-wing nowadays. Still, even in our club, I am surrounded by negative people including those who are the major winners in this deal (a guy who always complain that TIE/In is not playable and a girl who never flew a ship younger then Wave 4).

7 minutes ago, Jiron said:

I am in the game for two and half years. My collection is not superbig. I am not sure if I'd be able to convert both my factions (Resistence and Scum) but hey, I am looking forward to it. The best news in x-wing nowadays. Still, even in our club, I am surrounded by negative people including those who are the major winners in this deal (a guy who always complain that TIE/In is not playable and a girl who never flew a ship younger then Wave 4).

As much as I'd like to go crazy and blow a wad of money on the first day, I'll probably update slowly. I might even start again at first, and convert a bit later. I'm not sure yet.

Some people eh?

Be the change you want to see in the world. Start a positive thread about something.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

Be the change you want to see in the world. Start a positive thread about something.

That...is a very good point.

I'll post in it if you do ?

I'd make one myself but I honestly don't know which of the many things I like, to focus on XD

31 minutes ago, SDCC said:

Wow. I edited my response. Give that a whirl before jumping down my throat.

I haven't been abusive to anyone. You might want to check your attitude.

Given the pre-edit version of your response, which seemed to ignore entirely the content of what I wrote in favour of a 'this is my echo chamber, go away' single-sentance reply, I don't think my 'attitude' was unwarranted - at this point in life I do not have time to suffer such things.

Yes, there are a lot of positive things to take away from the change and I agree that a 2.0 was necessary. But one cannot insulate oneself from all negativity in a 'safe space', and there are things that justify a negative response too: not everyone likes the idea of being forced into digitisation via the squad builder application seemingly being mandatory, not everyone is over the moon about the cost and content numbers of the conversion kits (3 Decimators but only 4 TIEs, for example), not everyone is pleased that the price of a ship expansion has gone up some 30% judging by the 'new' Wave 1.

I was deeply concerned that base nubs were gone, which would kill the precision that makes the game so robust at its core (and I'm still not 100% certain whether they have them or not), and that the new 'centre line' mechanics might render some or all of my custom acrylic templates obsolete. And I certainly won't be able to convert my collection over all at once, which will lead to a period of 'single faction' play that leaves a big chunk of my existing models unusable for quite a while. I'm not sure that the Resistance and First Order have enough ships to stand alone yet, which means they may well suffer 'Wave 6 S+V' syndrome until they do.

So yes, a lot of things about the new game sound promising, but to shun any negativity just because a handful of people threaten to ragequit is not any more a healthy response than that of the quitter.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'll post in it if you do ?

I'd make one myself but I honestly don't know which of the many things I like, to focus on XD

X-Wing 2.0 Positivity Thread

37 minutes ago, SDCC said:

This is an awesome way to look at it.

A box that possibly makes all of your rubbish pilots decent?! That's worth the money for options alone.

Maybe someone will use Lorrir!

This doesn’t actually fix any pilots, but makes the models you bought playable in 2.0. If there are any pilots being played in 2.0 with the same name as the rubbish ones in 1.0, this will be largely coincidental.