Alright. I really don't know how to feel about 2.0 right now. I mean yeah, 2.0 looks like it might be 'better'overall than 1.0, and if I was just getting into the game NOW, everything would be fine. But since I started buying ships years ago, I now have a full squad's worth of most ships. Which means I need 2 of each faction's conversion kit to keep all my stuff compatible with 2.0. So that's $300 just for the main 3 factions, not counting getting a new core set if needed. And more later when First Order and Resistance are converted. AND I have more than a squad's worth for certain ships... why? Because I like the option of playing casual games at home with higher point limits so more ships can be fielded at once. For example I have 8 T-65s, 6 T-70s, 6 Tie Interceptors, 6 Tie Phantoms... so in these cases even 2 conversion kits isn't enough. So yeah I'm not real excited about this aspect of 2.0.

BUT. At least we are getting conversion kits as options so we don't have to junk all our 1.0 ships and start buying everything again from the ground up. That's great. But....

I see they are doing 2.0 versions of the X-wing, Y-Wing, Tie Fighter, Tie Advanced, Slave 1, and Fang Fighter. And clearly 2.0 releases of other previously released ships will follow. In reading the descriptions of these 2.0 packs, I see they will include some NEW pilots/upgrades that weren't available in the 1.0 packs. The description also says these NEW cards will be included in the conversion kits so people bringing in their old ships won't miss out on the new content. This is.... good. But does that mean that ALL ships in the conversion kits will included the respective new pilots/upgrades that will later be released individually when each new 2.0 release comes out? So we'll see.... ALL of the new content when the conversion kits come out, even for ships that won't have standalone 2.0 releases until much later? Am I figuring that right? Because if that WEREN'T true... then we'd miss out on the new pilots/upgrades destined for future 2.0 revisions of old ships (B-Wing? Tie Phantom? etc?) unless we... rebuy those ships all over again? That wouldn't be ideal.

But here's where my real question comes in. The 2.0 expansion ship models themselves. Obviously the 2.0 T-65 X-Wing pack uses the new T-65 model from the Saw's expansion, with the movable S-Foils. This is cool and all, but it will probably make me want to replace my old T-65s at some point. And it makes me wonder about the other 2.0 ship models. How many will re-use old moulds, how many will be new like the T-65? The 2.0 Y-Wing is new too, right? With the turret and whatnot. Am I eventually going to cave and rebuy my 6 Y-Wings on top of my 8 T-65s? To get the better models? What about the 2.0 Slave 1, Tie Fighter, Tie Advanced? New and better models again? I think I read somewhere that the Fang Fighters were new moulds too, with rotating wings? I'm sure the inevitable 2.0 T-70 X-Wing model will have movable wings as well. So that's another set of ships to rebuy if I want the better model. Where does it end? Will any 2.0 ships use old moulds, or will every ship have some kind of improvement to entice people like me to buy their ships all over again? I just don't think I can budget for replacing my entire ship collection. So it's either stick with the 1.0 models and miss out on the improved stuff, or blow a ton of money to rebuy everything. Neither sounds really attractive?

So I guess I just am really curious.... how many 2.0 ship packs will re use old moulds, and how many will be new and improved?

As to the models, we don't really know yet. As you said, the X-Wing, Y-Wing, and Fang are definitely getting new models, to my eye the TIE fighter looks better as well, we just don't know.

As for cards. They only are promising us that the new wave 1 cards will be in the conversion packs. I would expect future re-releases to include new stuff that we don't have. People seem to be obsessing over that a bit, but how is that going to be different to now with Ace Packs? I have 7 (I think) t-65 x-wings already, I don't really want another one, but I have to buy one to get the cards in Saw's renegades. In point of fact, I didn't want a new x-wing when the rebel transport came out, but I ended up with another one then too. I have 4 bloody falcon models, its a really cool ship, but I don't need that many. But there is undoubtedly going to be a new model for Solo, and it will no doubt have new cards that I will want. How is that going to be any different than needing 2.0 expansions? Other than the 2.0 expansions are probably going to come with more original content.

sorry, most of that isn't aimed specifically at you, a lot of posts have been talking about the same thing, your just happened to be the one I read while sitting at a computer with a decent keyboard.

As to how 2.0 ships with better models are different than ace packs?

Ace packs come with snazzy alternate paint schemes to differentiate the ace ships from the standard ships. 2.0 ships are the same basic paint job ships as the 1.0 versions.

So when I buy, say, a couple Saw's Renegade packs, I can instantly use the new upgrades with any T-65 I have. I can fly Saw's colors, I can fly my original red stripe T-65s as well.

But buying 2.0 T-65s makes the 1.0 T-65s I have instantly pointless. The same would be true of later 2.0 upgrades. If I bought 4 new 2.0 B-Wings down the road, my old 1.0 B-Wings would be instantly obsolete. Because unless I ever had a game where I could use 5+ B-Wings, there'd never be a point to using the 1.0s again. I guess this forced obsolescence of old ship packs, after I've spent a lot on them, is a bit rough to take.

With ace packs, you are getting new paint variants and expanding your available pilots and upgrades. You can mix and match any combo of new/old pilots, upgrades, and ship models when you own original packs and ace packs.

That's not how it works when switching to 2.0. If I buy my 4 new B-Wings later, I can ONLY use the 2.0 cards and upgrades, and I would only want to use the improved 2.0 models. Rendering both the old ship models and all their 1.0 cards pretty much pointless.

So that's the difference? I think getting ace packs is pretty different from switching to 2.0 packs.

I see what you mean. They're just being nice to us for Wave 1, Wave 2 will definitely begin the re-buys. With the conversion kits, you'll still be able to use all your old stuff at the very least and I think what I will do is just proxy (in casual play) what comes out thats unique to the re-releases to see if its worth getting or not. The squad builder app will help with that.

Whether you want to use old or newer models depends on your preference I guess. Part of me doubts that EVERY ship will get a re-release. FFG have probably gathered sales data on their ships and figured out some that weren't as popular with poorer sales and refrain from making new ones of those. Reprints of the same moulds with the newer cards may be likely but we could see that the conversion kit version of a certain ship be the only version available. Unless they said that ALL ships will be re-released? I dont remember reading that in the announcements but if so, that seems kind of crazy...

12 minutes ago, KOG7777 said:

Ace packs come with snazzy alternate paint schemes to differentiate the ace ships from the standard ships. 2.0 ships are the same basic paint job ships as the 1.0 versions.

So when I buy, say, a couple Saw's Renegade packs, I can instantly use the new upgrades with any T-65 I have. I can fly Saw's colors, I can fly my original red stripe T-65s as well.

I don't really see a difference between a new model and a new paint job. I'll end up with at least 2 flappy t-65's, I doubt I will bother ever noticing which I pull out of my case when I go to play with an X-Wing, just like which paint scheme I use doesn't matter much.

I guess I can sort of see about the old cards being rendered useless, but again, all those "useless" cards are being replaced in the conversion pack. So if an aces pack comes with (for example) 2 new pilots for the TIE Phantom, compared to the 2.0 phantom pack that comes with Whisper and Echo and 2 new pilots, I still have to buy that new expansion (either the aces pack or the 2.0 pack) to get those 2 new pilots.

I mean, it isn't completely irrelevant, but buying extra packs of ships you don't want has been a feature of the game since the beginning (seriously, I don't even know HOW I ended up with 4 falcons ?) at least with 2.0 you shouldn't need to buy cross faction ships if you don't want to.

The new Y-Wing model looks kinda weird. Waiting for a better pic of that one.

Yeah, I mean...you can play with your old plastic. If you want new ones, you need to buy new ones. I don't really see what the issue is there.

Conversion packs include any new planned pilots for rereleased packs. You have no need to buy them unless you want the actual model.

What you need to remember, is there's NO GUARANTEE they'll reprint all of the 1st Edition ships. Or at least, not immediately.

OK, we're getting a re-release of the 1st Edition wave one (along with the Firespray and Protectorate(, but it might take four or five years for the Punisher, or the K-Wing or the Kimogila to see a re-release, if ever.

In the meantime, FFG have the films and new TV Series to draw ships from. The First Order and Resistance need expanding as factions if they're to stand alone.

It wouldn't surprise me at all in 2nd Edition, Wave 2 was The Last Jedi A-Wing, Snoke's mini-Shuttle and something for Scum from Solo. Not a reprint in sight.

15 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

What you need to remember, is there's NO GUARANTEE they'll reprint all of the 1st Edition ships. Or at least, not immediately.

The faction-specific conversion kits encompass the full range of currently available ships (bar Resistance and First Order).

I can't possibly imagine them not re-leasing all that stuff, forcing the players to hunt for previous packages.

Btw, did you notice how the X-wing and Y-wing models got updated, and apparently B-wings are getting a new paintjob according to the teaser.

One of the interviews also mentions an update to Fang as well.

They're really trying hard encourage new sales instead of having people run their lists off conversion kits and second-hand 1st Edition models.

15 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

OK, we're getting a re-release of the 1st Edition wave one (along with the Firespray and Protectorate(, but it might take four or five years for the Punisher, or the K-Wing or the Kimogila to see a re-release, if ever.

I'm kinda expecting future waves toinclude a couple rereleases along with a couple new ships until such a time as all the old stuff is brought up to date.

They HAVE to eventually rerelease all the old ships, you can't have a new player 3 years from now needing to hunt up a 1.0 quadjumper pack AND shill out $50 for a conversion kit, most of which they won't need, to play the ship.

33 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

I'm kinda expecting future waves toinclude a couple rereleases along with a couple new ships until such a time as all the old stuff is brought up to date.

They HAVE to eventually rerelease all the old ships, you can't have a new player 3 years from now needing to hunt up a 1.0 quadjumper pack AND shill out $50 for a conversion kit, most of which they won't need, to play the ship.

Not necessarily.

FFG originally expanded X-Wign via the inclusion of EU material (sometimes very obscure EU material). This was done before isney's new Star Wars films became a thing, before Rebels became a thing. With Disney producing new material every year - films, TV series, video games - there's going to be a lot of new content for FFG to draw from down the line.

Now, what do you think Disney would prefer FFG to release? Models of ships from before their time - like the E-Wing, Punisher, StarViper, Kihraxz etc - or models of ships from their latest big-money endeavours on screen and off it? Which, do you think, will take priority?

Sure, a lot of the existing range will see re-releases. The Original Triology era ships obviously will. But we might be waiting a very long time for some of the more onscure, EU-based 1st Edition ships to see reprints, and some of them may never be updated. The Conversion Pack may very well be all we get.

9 hours ago, Stefan said:

Yeah, I mean...you can play with your old plastic. If you want new ones, you need to buy new ones. I don't really see what the issue is there.

The issue is I spent a fair bit on 1.0 ships. 2x OT core, 2x ST core, 6x T-65, 6x Y-Wing, 4x Tie Fighter, 6x A-Wing, 4x B-Wing, and so on.

Yes, clearly I can just play with the old plastic if I choose to save money and forego buying the updated 2.0 packs with nicer models.

My question is: what percentage of 1.0 ships are they going to re-issue with better models? If it's limited to a few that clearly benefit from a new mould (like the movable S-foils on X-wings, and the turret on the Y-Wing), I can probably see myself upgrading small parts of my collection to get the better models. If they are going to do improved models for every ship, rebuying every ship in my collection is not an expense I can justify.

So I guess right now I'm really curious about the new 2.0 Tie Fighter, Tie Advanced, and Slave 1. I can't see obvious differences in the photos, but won't know for sure til the new models are out.

considering both the x-wing 2.0 trailer and spoiler images use these ****-awful 3d renders, I'm guessing everything's new

8 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Not necessarily.

FFG originally expanded X-Wign via the inclusion of EU material (sometimes very obscure EU material). This was done before isney's new Star Wars films became a thing, before Rebels became a thing. With Disney producing new material every year - films, TV series, video games - there's going to be a lot of new content for FFG to draw from down the line.

Now, what do you think Disney would prefer FFG to release? Models of ships from before their time - like the E-Wing, Punisher, StarViper, Kihraxz etc - or models of ships from their latest big-money endeavours on screen and off it? Which, do you think, will take priority?

Sure, a lot of the existing range will see re-releases. The Original Triology era ships obviously will. But we might be waiting a very long time for some of the more onscure, EU-based 1st Edition ships to see reprints, and some of them may never be updated. The Conversion Pack may very well be all we get.

It would be quite interesting to see which ships get 2.0 packs, and which don't (if any). As you say, anything from OT or other recent sources (ST, Rebels) will probably stay in active circulation and get 2.0 packs.

So what does this mean for EU ships? If they don't get 2.0 packs, does that mean they will no longer be produced? I can't imagine them actively selling old 1.0 EU packs on store shelves alongside new 2.0 packs. Certainly the 1.0 packs would be phased out. So the EU stuff will still be PLAYABLE, thanks to the conversion kits. But getting new copies of the EU ships? That could be a different matter.

So if we want any more Hawks or E-Wings or Punishers... maybe we need to buy them now? I haven't even gotten any Tie Aggressors yet, and now I'm wondering if I need to hurry up and do so.

12 minutes ago, KOG7777 said:

The issue is I spent a fair bit on 1.0 ships. 2x OT core, 2x ST core, 6x T-65, 6x Y-Wing, 4x Tie Fighter, 6x A-Wing, 4x B-Wing, and so on.

Yes, clearly I can just play with the old plastic if I choose to save money and forego buying the updated 2.0 packs with nicer models.

My question is: what percentage of 1.0 ships are they going to re-issue with better models? If it's limited to a few that clearly benefit from a new mould (like the movable S-foils on X-wings, and the turret on the Y-Wing), I can probably see myself upgrading small parts of my collection to get the better models. If they are going to do improved models for every ship, rebuying every ship in my collection is not an expense I can justify.

So I guess right now I'm really curious about the new 2.0 Tie Fighter, Tie Advanced, and Slave 1. I can't see obvious differences in the photos, but won't know for sure til the new models are out.

No problem with that, I have a whole host of ships myself. Obviously, I'd like to upgrade the models as well, and at best without charge, but I can't see how it can be a criticism that you have to pay for new products.

23 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

considering both the x-wing 2.0 trailer and spoiler images use these ****-awful 3d renders, I'm guessing everything's new

I think you're probably right... in which case I wonder what they would do with a ship like the Slave 1 to make it 'better' and appealing to people who already 1 or more of the 1.0 version.

they could start by not making the guns so **** and easy to break ?

17 minutes ago, Stefan said:

No problem with that, I have a whole host of ships myself. Obviously, I'd like to upgrade the models as well, and at best without charge, but I can't see how it can be a criticism that you have to pay for new products.

Right... I'm not criticizing paying for new products. Not at all. I collect blurays too... and I am all too happy to fork over for a movie I already own when some fancy new edition with a new 4K scan or a bunch of new behind the scenes features is released. I own multiple versions of many movies. And I had no complaints there. I also own multiple copies of some video games.... HD remasters, ports to new gen systems, Game of the Year special editions, and so on.

The 2.0 thing feels different because... it's not just an isolated bluray title there or a game here. It's... my entire X-Wing collection. And yes, they won't release all the 2.0 packs at one time. It'll be spread out over waves. But still. It took time and money to build my 1.0 collection. I just don't think I can justify doing it all over again and have my 1.0 collection relegated to the dusty corners of the shelves and boxes. Because yeah, I'd love the new models if they are better. But having a set of new ones makes the whole entire 1.0 collection (or at least the parts that get replaced) pretty useless. In that they are USABLE, but would not realistically see use if I had the better versions. It's like... up until now I could look at my collection and think 'that's great'. But going forward I will be looking at my old collection and thinking.... these are sadly not as nice as what they are putting out now. I can either rebuy everything or live with that feeling that I'm stuck with 2nd rate 1st gen stuff.

I know this will not matter, and seem stupid, to many people here. A lot of you are gamers first, and enjoy competitive play, and for you it's mostly about the game and the mechanics. The ship models are just decorations to facilitate playing the game. Using a 1.0 model or a 2.0 model won't affect how the game is PLAYED for many of you.

I'm a casual player who happens to love the ship models. I started playing because I liked the models. For me the game is a justification for buying lots of cool little star wars miniatures. So I do care a lot about how nice the models are. So yes, it's tempting to buy the new and better versions. But hard to justify since I spent so much on the 1.0 collection. And if I can't justify the expense of rebuying everything and just sit and watch all the new and better models come out, I will feel a bit less excited about pushing the old 1.0s around. That's just how I feel I guess.

I AM happy to buy new stuff, and I certainly want FFG to make money on their product. I just wish we were getting more new ships (I really want Prequel stuff, to be honest), instead of what will probably be a lot of 2.0 revamps mixed in with occasional new ships.

I cannot help thinking this will split the community. Also, we never got our Scum combat Epic ship. Maybe we will get one after Solo, but I wish we got the Crusader instead and I doubt that is going to be in Solo.

This kinda just seems like a way to stop supporting Legends, probably under orders by Disney. FFG giving us Gunboat did seem kind of like it might be a last hurrah/"thank you" before complying. And I also super-appreciate that they are doing conversion kits for the old ships. Kind of expensive to convert everything, though. What was it? $300 for 2 kits of Rebels and Imperials each? Plus Scum later? And then any ships you just have a lot of you have to sacrifice.

It strictly is a good value, because for that price you are basically doubling the number of games you can use your ships in. But I just have a very bad feeling about this. I grow more discontent with Disney's directions and decisions each day. More and more bad decisions, starting years ago with the 10 year EA exclusive contract. I know this thought that 2.0 is about phasing out Legends is a big assumption, but I would put money on it being correct.

New sculpts for Scum are probably the only expansions I will buy, besides the Core and Conversion Kit so I'm wondering which ones that would be...

Fang is confirmed with pivoting wings and the image of the new Slave I looks a bit different. Sure bet is the Star Viper for it's movable parts, but what else could get a re-do for S&V?

Does anyone think(or know if) FFG will make the YV-666 with a painted Nashtah Pup? That would be the thing would help me want it. I don't really need 3 party buses, but if it came with the modded Z-95 and better rules (like maybe, deploy and dock during the game)... it would buy it.

I dearly hope the YV-666's tiny fried-chicken wings are articulated and make little squeaky noises when you move em

really adds to the menace

14 hours ago, All Shields Forward said:

Conversion packs include any new planned pilots for rereleased packs. You have no need to buy them unless you want the actual model.

Not true. They only guarantee that for Wave I not for Wave 2 and beyond. The Conversion Kit on launch they will not contain all the unique pilots they plan to re-release. Most of the pilots in the Conversion Kits will be generic non-unique pilots with just stats and no special abilities to allow you to field your old ships immediately upon release but not expected to remain competitive without re-purchases of old ships re-released blisters or future newer Conversion Kit purchases. They have not designed 2.0 that far ahead....they would be foolish to do so. The only guaranteed unique pilots in the Conversion Kits will be from Wave I. Same applies to the upgrade cards. Han Solo, Chewbacca, and Lando will not all, if any, be in the Conversion kit. You will need to repurchase the re-released Falcon blister pack when it rereleases in Wave 2 or 3 to get those unique pilot cards. Expect the launch Conversion Kit to have two generic YT-2400 pilot cards.

4 hours ago, KOG7777 said:

Right... I'm not criticizing paying for new products. Not at all. I collect blurays too... and I am all too happy to fork over for a movie I already own when some fancy new edition with a new 4K scan or a bunch of new behind the scenes features is released. I own multiple versions of many movies. And I had no complaints there. I also own multiple copies of some video games.... HD remasters, ports to new gen systems, Game of the Year special editions, and so on.

The 2.0 thing feels different because... it's not just an isolated bluray title there or a game here. It's... my entire X-Wing collection. And yes, they won't release all the 2.0 packs at one time. It'll be spread out over waves. But still. It took time and money to build my 1.0 collection. I just don't think I can justify doing it all over again and have my 1.0 collection relegated to the dusty corners of the shelves and boxes. Because yeah, I'd love the new models if they are better. But having a set of new ones makes the whole entire 1.0 collection (or at least the parts that get replaced) pretty useless. In that they are USABLE, but would not realistically see use if I had the better versions. It's like... up until now I could look at my collection and think 'that's great'. But going forward I will be looking at my old collection and thinking.... these are sadly not as nice as what they are putting out now. I can either rebuy everything or live with that feeling that I'm stuck with 2nd rate 1st gen stuff.

I know this will not matter, and seem stupid, to many people here. A lot of you are gamers first, and enjoy competitive play, and for you it's mostly about the game and the mechanics. The ship models are just decorations to facilitate playing the game. Using a 1.0 model or a 2.0 model won't affect how the game is PLAYED for many of you.

I'm a casual player who happens to love the ship models. I started playing because I liked the models. For me the game is a justification for buying lots of cool little star wars miniatures. So I do care a lot about how nice the models are. So yes, it's tempting to buy the new and better versions. But hard to justify since I spent so much on the 1.0 collection. And if I can't justify the expense of rebuying everything and just sit and watch all the new and better models come out, I will feel a bit less excited about pushing the old 1.0s around. That's just how I feel I guess.

I AM happy to buy new stuff, and I certainly want FFG to make money on their product. I just wish we were getting more new ships (I really want Prequel stuff, to be honest), instead of what will probably be a lot of 2.0 revamps mixed in with occasional new ships.

The feelings you express are shared by many but this should be of no surprise to anyone. Successful games of this type always will evolve into a new version and you need to realize this when you decide to buy-in to a game. There will always be a better version of a product available someday. Only you can decide whether to "buy-in" to Version 2.0 or just be content with your existing 1.0 collection. Your financial commitment and capability needs to be the deciding factor or you will be faced with this contemplation all over again in a few years from now when they release Version 3.0 of the game if it remains successful enough to do so.

14 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Not necessarily.

FFG originally expanded X-Wign via the inclusion of EU material (sometimes very obscure EU material). This was done before isney's new Star Wars films became a thing, before Rebels became a thing. With Disney producing new material every year - films, TV series, video games - there's going to be a lot of new content for FFG to draw from down the line.

Now, what do you think Disney would prefer FFG to release? Models of ships from before their time - like the E-Wing, Punisher, StarViper, Kihraxz etc - or models of ships from their latest big-money endeavours on screen and off it? Which, do you think, will take priority?

Sure, a lot of the existing range will see re-releases. The Original Triology era ships obviously will. But we might be waiting a very long time for some of the more onscure, EU-based 1st Edition ships to see reprints, and some of them may never be updated. The Conversion Pack may very well be all we get.

Just finished watching a couple of the videos and the x-wing line developer (or whatever his title was, the designers boss, the guy who decided to do the new edition) explicitly said they are doing 2.0 packs for every currently out ship, and that they are doing so as fast as they are able. He kinda made it sound like all the ships would be updated within 12 months, but I may have been reading too much into that.

@KOG7777 Same guy also said that not all models are getting resculpts, only the ones that really need it or make sense to do.