So, you have been depending on FAQs, PDFs, rules clarifications, Internet Forums all of that in a PC or a Smartphone...

... But FFG announces and App, and suddenly X-Wing has to be Stone-Age playable?

Does this mean that I'd have to constantly look at my phone just to know what cards I have on the table?..."...just get my phone, wait better unlock it...yeap open the app, wait for it to load...find my list, cool now to find..dang the screen timed out, opps waited to long, just unlock it again..."

Just thinking is it needs like a function that when you hold the phone (camera) over your card on the table it brings up the upgrades that's attached to that card for that list.

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

Y-Wings, X-Wings, A-Wings, and TIE Interceptors lacking EPTs. The TIE Adv lacking a System slot.

Pretty much anything needing "fix" cards to add slots.

Dear God, the TIE Punisher.

That ships upgrade slots were garbage compared to the other two heavy bombers. Had they had the ability to just "patch" a change to the card via a squad builder, it would have been awesome.

I'm actually excited about what it may turn out like in the new edition.

They're doing a medium-sized Punisher and completely renewing it)

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

Y-Wings, X-Wings, A-Wings, and TIE Interceptors lacking EPTs. The TIE Adv lacking a System slot.

Pretty much anything needing "fix" cards to add slots.

Dear God, the TIE Punisher.

That ships upgrade slots were garbage compared to the other two heavy bombers. Had they had the ability to just "patch" a change to the card via a squad builder, it would have been awesome.

I'm actually excited about what it may turn out like in the new edition.

They're doing a medium-sized Punisher and completely renewing it)

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

Y-Wings, X-Wings, A-Wings, and TIE Interceptors lacking EPTs. The TIE Adv lacking a System slot.

Pretty much anything needing "fix" cards to add slots.

Dear God, the TIE Punisher.

That ships upgrade slots were garbage compared to the other two heavy bombers. Had they had the ability to just "patch" a change to the card via a squad builder, it would have been awesome.

I'm actually excited about what it may turn out like in the new edition.

They're doing a medium-sized Punisher and completely renewing it)

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

Y-Wings, X-Wings, A-Wings, and TIE Interceptors lacking EPTs. The TIE Adv lacking a System slot.

Pretty much anything needing "fix" cards to add slots.

Dear God, the TIE Punisher.

That ships upgrade slots were garbage compared to the other two heavy bombers. Had they had the ability to just "patch" a change to the card via a squad builder, it would have been awesome.

I'm actually excited about what it may turn out like in the new edition.

They're doing a medium-sized Punisher and completely renewing it)

One really nice thing about no one printed point costs, according to the Team Covenant interview, is that the designers could focus on what makes the ship feel right when you put it on the table, knowing that points could be adjusted later on down the line. Now, I'm pretty sure they had a rough idea of the value of a ship, but they didn't have to rush to make the points fit. That can be done in the back end, which is great. Instead, they focused on mechanics and interactions, like cheap, swarmy TIE fighters, vs. durable and versatile X-wings. I think this will make the game feel more like Star Wars, at least it will for me.

I am in difficult spot. I see how it helps the game but I am also not a fan of mandatory electronic device.

5 minutes ago, Jiron said:

I am in difficult spot. I see how it helps the game but I am also not a fan of mandatory electronic device.

It isn't, don't worry about it. If you can get to this site you can download the latest pdfs.

Literally all you need the app for is to see point costs and upgrade slots. Print it out and you’re good to go.

In the interview the guy said they aren’t planning to change stuff often—only when necessary—and they’ll give us advanced notice. Further, if you’re a casual, at home player, it shouldn’t even matter if you miss an update.

So the “downside” to this change is extraordinarily minor, and the upside is FFG has the ability to manage the long-term health of the game. This is amazing.

So I posted this before I found out about the pdf, which is definitely something that helps.

to the people who say that if you don’t have a smart phone your just dumb or that board games shouldn’t worry about this stuff I fully disagree and I am sorry, I don’t play board games to go on the computer and for casual or younger players who still enjoy list building those extra steps are going to turn people away from the game even if its perfect in theory.

again I’m still going to play and this stuff doesn’t apply to me I just know people who are really into the game who heard this and are disappointed cause they don’t have that stuff, they just buy the ships and build lists, and they look this stuff up if they go to a tourney with me but they just don’t care that much half the time

I get that the pdf will be accessible to everyone but I hope that ffg at least includes that stuff in their packs (at least the start prices and not the constant updates) for the players that will have that difficulty because that’s kinda sucky for them.

i fully get the benefits of the online aspects I just worry that they are so busy worrying about their competive scene that they aren’t caring about the casual gamers. Assuming that if you casually play you don’t like building lists is kinda ****

i casually play magic but I don’t get prebuilt decks cause half the fun is making them

Edit: I’m also upset because they did so much right with this (the backwards compatibility being relatively cost effective), the accessibility to color blind people, the streamlining of some ideas, even the idea of the app for more intense players

just think they dropped the ball a little here in hopes to streamline it a bit too much

11 hours ago, Dosiere said:

I heard FFG said there will be PDFs with the point costs available as well.

I'm hoping... please, please, please, there will be PDFs of all of the upgrades as well.

3 hours ago, Jehan Menasis said:

So, you have been depending on FAQs, PDFs, rules clarifications, Internet Forums all of that in a PC or a Smartphone...

... But FFG announces and App, and suddenly X-Wing has to be Stone-Age playable?

I don't think the point is that the game has to be "Stone-Age playable". I completely support the idea of using an app or website to build a squad. I think it's a good change.

But look at it from the perspective of the new player. Maybe it's the person who walks into a store, sees it on the shelf and buys it just to check it out. That person needs to be able to easily understand and play the game out of the box without having to go online to hunt down more information.

5 minutes ago, papy72 said:

But look at it from the perspective of the new player. Maybe it's the person who walks into a store, sees it on the shelf and buys it just to check it out. That person needs to be able to easily understand and play the game out of the box without having to go online to hunt down more information.

That's what the Quick Play cards are for - a bunch of preset builds that are weighted at different levels for casual games.

4 minutes ago, papy72 said:

I don't think the point is that the game has to be "Stone-Age playable". I completely support the idea of using an app or website to build a squad. I think it's a good change.

But look at it from the perspective of the new player. Maybe it's the person who walks into a store, sees it on the shelf and buys it just to check it out. That person needs to be able to easily understand and play the game out of the box without having to go online to hunt down more information.

And they can thanks to the threat levels. Seriously, I know so many players around here that aren't anywhere near as deep enough in X-Wing to be able to competently build lists, so this is perfect for them. Also for me when I want to play them, makes picking a list way easier.

1 minute ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

And they can thanks to the threat levels. Seriously, I know so many players around here that aren't anywhere near as deep enough in X-Wing to be able to competently build lists, so this is perfect for them. Also for me when I want to play them, makes picking a list way easier.

I haven't had the time to read and digest all the changes, but from the sounds of it the threat levels are another great new addition for the casual types.

8 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

i don't understand your point at all. are you saying that players should have to buy a computer to play a board game? if they dont have a computer already, maybe there is a reason

There’s always the public library.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic about the app. I'm seeing a bit more clearly now the real drive for this - not having any physical game materials that are out of date moving forward. I just hope, hope, hope they don't charge for the app. A monthly fee or micro-transactions are a deal breaker for me. I understand there are software development costs (I work in IT), but they're increasing the price of the game to hopefully cover those.

As far as everyone needing to get with technology, I have a different look at this. I use technology all day. I have two smart phones (one for work/one for personal). You could make the argument if we're just going with technology, make X-wing into a video game and be done with it. It's a board/miniatures game. We all enjoy that aspect of it. I've used a squad builder, but I love sitting down on a Saturday with just my game materials and leaving my phone and computer downstairs. I'm sure people love going to the game store at night and having no one staring at their phone or having computers at the table. I think they're taking this into consideration with the PDFs and things, so we'll just have to see how it all comes out when it's actually released. The demo video from Team Covenant made it look like the game experience itself is very similar to what's going on now, so that's a plus.

9 hours ago, Azrapse said:

More and more people are getting rid of smartphones because it negatively affects their focus on their daily lives.
It's not a matter of not having money or being a hippie. It's not people that haven't reached the 21st century. It's people that have already been there, done that, and got sick of it.

couldnt agree more. i used to read a book a week, then i got a smartphone. after realising my phone had cost me years of reading books, made me less patient, given me neck problems, worsened my vision, eroded friendships and cost 35 bucks a month for the priviledge, i got rid of facebook etc and am going clamphone. so happy i did. you dont notice how much you stare at a phone till you stop, and see all the people on dates, in groups etc interacting with their phone instead of friends and family. its honestly such a relief getting rid of it, the peace of mind is beautiful

This thread:

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World.

Problems.

For the most part I am very excited about the app. I have used online squad builders since the day after I bought the first core set. I have always wished that FFG would take a more active roll with the online resources. The one concern I have is that, in my limited experience, Asmodee/FFG digital products have been 80% Great and 20% "what the heck, how did they miss that?". In other products the apps are either alternate play styles (100% optional) or full digital implementations sold separately. In the first case, if you don't like it, don't use it, no big deal. In the second, if you don't like it you lose out but is all of $5 or $10, no big deal. My worry with it being required and at the core of the game is that they will miss something obvious, like the ability to print squads or have shared accounts/libraries between devices, that will hobble the app. I have a significant investment in this game (soon to be $350 more just to keep playing), it would be a big deal if a failed app implementation turned that investment into nothing more that a big box of Christmas tree ornaments.

My big thing with the upgrade slots and points not being on the card is how will I know whether or not a list across from me is "legal." How will my opponent know my list is within the rules? How will a TO know whether or not the lists in the tourney are legal?

18 hours ago, Dosiere said:

I heard FFG said there will be PDFs with the point costs available as well.

This, to me, is essential.

I want to be able to have an offline version of the current prices, even if I have to download it manually, like with the FAQ.

2 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

My big thing with the upgrade slots and points not being on the card is how will I know whether or not a list across from me is "legal." How will my opponent know my list is within the rules? How will a TO know whether or not the lists in the tourney are legal?

From what they were saying, if the list is in the app, it's legal and using he app will be mandatory for organized play.

How they will enforce that in the real world, I have no idea. Maybe QR codes on printouts or something like that.

5 minutes ago, McTavish said:

From what they were saying, if the list is in the app, it's legal and using he app will be mandatory for organized play.

How they will enforce that in the real world, I have no idea. Maybe QR codes on printouts or something like that.

Where were they saying that? Pretty sure in the demo game Alex Davy said the opposite.