2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I 'm assuming that every ship will wind up with a 2.0 expac, so it could be that you need 1 conversion + 1 expac.

However, do you know when that will be?

Nope.

So, you will buy 2 conversions, have 1 dial too many, then need an expac in a year and have 2 dials and one Defender too many.

except that Im not doing that.

I am not spending 120 dollars to make 45 dollars i already spent playable.

at this point, warhammer 40k is significantly cheaper to play, as i can buy an entire army from scratch for the $350 i need to spend to "update" my x-wing collection.

the big thing is bases, as medium bases basically render half my collection obsolete. unless each conversion kit contains a half dozen medium bases or more, it wont cover the ships included in the conversion kit.

for example these ships are likely to be "medium" base for rebels:

Arc170

Skurgg

K-wing

U-wing

yt-2400

the conversion supposedly comes with 2 conversions for each of those ships. does that mean it comes with 12 medium bases and pegs?

and on the subject of pegs, some "medium" ships have large pegs and some "medium" ships have small pegs... how will that be handled? because the skurgg is bigger than the U-wing etc. Maybe theyll surprise me by including all these needed parts, but im not holding my breath

Why are you comparing one 40k army with all 3 xwing factions?

Just one box will give you vastly more (hopefully viable) squad options than any single Warhammer army could provide

People are looking way too hard at immidiately making EVERYTHING THEY OWN immidiately when you almost definitely aren't going to be playing everything you own in short order after the game comes out

I understand cost concerns, but people are REALLY inflating them

Ffg also promised individual cars packs for specific ships on stream. Going in whole hog on another conversion pack just for a few ships is probably overkill

15 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

except that Im not doing that.

I am not spending 120 dollars to make 45 dollars i already spent playable.

Oh, I'm with you.

Collectible is one thing. Recollecting for my collection is something else.

It will be interesting to take the summer off, enjoy the sun, and come back here in the late fall to see if the honeymoon is over.

13 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

and on the subject of pegs, some "medium" ships have large pegs and some "medium" ships have small pegs... how will that be handled? because the skurgg is bigger than the U-wing etc. Maybe theyll surprise me by including all these needed parts, but im not holding my breath

They have stated that the Medium bases will use the large base pegs and they will have adapter pegs for small base ships that now use medium bases.

I am in, too. Very pleased with the apparent depth of the redesigning. Multiple arcs, different weapon values out different arcs, etc.

I will be most pleased if we see a crew slot equipped BTL-S3 Y-wing and TIE/sk with crew and bombs.

I'm in, will only need one conversion of Scum and one of rebels (not sure about resistance one, too few ships to make it worth it)

5 hours ago, Jadotch said:

You really don't think there will be new content in the next 13 waves of X-Wing from ships already released in 1.0? I have some swampland for sale.

5 hours ago, Jadotch said:

There are 13 waves of blisters going to be released. It is foolish not to think there will be exclusive stuff in these packs.

They said on stream today that any new cards available in future rereleases of 1.0 ships will be obtainable by veteran players without any requirement to buy the models. Some form of mini-conversion kit, or cardboard/card only pakc, or whatever. But you won't have to rebuy any rereleased models unless you choose to.

5 hours ago, Wiredin said:

EVERY ship from 1.0 will make a reapperance, or at least that is the current "promise"

but we shouldn't expect them to put the brakes on new ships or to release all previous ships in one clump. It may take 2+ years to get 2.0 version of all the 1.0 ships. I expect waves will be new ships with new v1 ships being sprinkled in.

They said they'll be releasing new ships alongside rereleasing old ones.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

I 'm assuming that every ship will wind up with a 2.0 expac, so it could be that you need 1 conversion + 1 expac.

However, do you know when that will be?

Nope.

So, you will buy 2 conversions, have 1 dial too many, then need an expac in a year and have 2 dials and one Defender too many.

As above, you won't ever have to buy any new models for rereleased ships, you'll be able to get the cards/cardboard you need separately.

1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:

They said on stream today that any new cards available in future rereleases of 1.0 ships will be obtainable by veteran players without any requirement to buy the models. Some form of mini-conversion kit, or cardboard/card only pakc, or whatever. But you won't have to rebuy any rereleased models unless you choose to.

I saw that like 10 minutes after I posted that comment.

Mini conversions are good. I like that. (But I don't think I said that in this thread?!? IDK)

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I 'm assuming that every ship will wind up with a 2.0 expac, so it could be that you need 1 conversion + 1 expac.

However, do you know when that will be?

Nope.

So, you will buy 2 conversions, have 1 dial too many, then need an expac in a year and have 2 dials and one Defender too many.

They will have cheaper upgrade packs without the models for any new content for existing ships.

Well I’ll need all three conversion kits and I’ll buy a new core.....ah who needs retirement money I’M IN!!!!!!!!!

I want to be in. But I don't know. We mainly play with fam at home. I have a child with major medical issues and it's hard to get to game nights at flgs..seems like there is always something to go to. But I really like where xwing is going. I may just take the time to upgrade and enjoy x-wing "classic" more

3 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

its still going to be hundreds of dollars for you to update your collection. each faction pack comes with components for 2 to 3 of each ship in the faction, so to fly 3 defenders it takes 2 conversion packs, etc.

Why would I ever buy a 2nd conversion kit for just a missing defender? That makes no sense at all. I throw away that $10 defender! Or sell it on ebay for $5 or buy a conversion kit on ebay for $5.

I don't get the sanity of this argument that I need to buy another conversion kit for $50 to convert a miniature worth a handful dollars. Especially as those minis do break with constant use. From my 3 defenders only two are fully operational right now. ?

2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Why are you comparing one 40k army with all 3 xwing factions?

Our judges surveyed X-Wing players and asked them why they would compare one 40k army to 3 x-wing factions in order to try and make their argument, and the top three answers were:

3) Intentionally Obtuse
2) Disingenuous
and the number one answer...
1) Love wielding this torch and pitchfork!

Thanks for playing.

On 5/2/2018 at 7:38 AM, Jadotch said:

I am "in", but 2.0 may sit on my shelf while I wait for my primary play group to upgrade, if they even will.

I do have big concerns about 2.0 though.

Oh, and it will bug me to no end the uneven amount of ship models to dials I will have. Maybe I do have OCD.

The OCD factor for me is the same and will annoy the **** out of me. Why oh why couldn't they give us more t65 and tie dials! First World problems.

The cost to update is less exciting then having a rules set that *better* make all of the ships in the range a viable option

I'm out. I simply can't afford to upgrade, nor do I like the need an App to build a list because no points on cards. So much to hate!

I'll carry on playing 1.0 as long as there are players for it in my area, but 2.0 conversion is out for me, no more of my money for FFG. I'm done.

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Why are you comparing one 40k army with all 3 xwing factions?

Just one box will give you vastly more (hopefully viable) squad options than any single Warhammer army could provide

People are looking way too hard at immidiately making EVERYTHING THEY OWN immidiately when you almost definitely aren't going to be playing everything you own in short order after the game comes out

I understand cost concerns, but people are REALLY inflating them

Ffg also promised individual cars packs for specific ships on stream. Going in whole hog on another conversion pack just for a few ships is probably overkill

im comparing 40k to 1 x-wing faction.

Dark imperium is 2 playable 1000 point armies and cost $160. i was able to buy the deathguard half at my local flgs for $40, and the rulebook and codexes for $60. I then bought paints etc for $50. total investment 150

to fly my 100/6 khiraxz list its 2 kits at $100, or for my 300 point scum list for epic, i need to buy 3 scum conversion kits and spend $150.... JUST TO PLAY THE SCUM SHIPS I ALREADY OWN!!!

you're not just buying your 100/6 khirax list for $100, though. you're buying the gobs and gobs of other stuff included in the box

now FFG has already promised individual ship upgrade packs specifically for players who already own ships they'll re-release past wave 1, but assuming you don't want to wait that long nor try any number of alternatives, such as trading, or 3rd party markets for those few components you want, or just not flying the khirax spam when you have so many other options at your disposal, then yeah I guess you gotta drop another $50

$100 of new core + faction kit will get you tons of viable squad options for a faction. $150 gets you the same for two, unless you want to for some reason double down to play very specific spam lists

10 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

you're not just buying your 100/6 khirax list for $100, though. you're buying the gobs and gobs of other stuff included in the box

now FFG has already promised individual ship upgrade packs specifically for players who already own ships they'll re-release past wave 1, but assuming you don't want to wait that long nor try any number of alternatives, such as trading, or 3rd party markets for those few components you want, or just not flying the khirax spam when you have so many other options at your disposal, then yeah I guess you gotta drop another $50

$100 of new core + faction kit will get you tons of viable squad options for a faction. $150 gets you the same for two, unless you want to for some reason double down to play very specific spam lists

gobs of stuff i already bought.

i spent over $1,000 on this game. that should be enough money to allow me to play

you didn't buy any of the new stuff, though. they kinda haven't been released to the general public. You do have $1000 in x-wing stuff, so you can play 1.0 just fine

or should FFG have tried to design a new, revamped edition without touching any of the old components? or are you going to mail them proof of purchase for all of your models and compel them to send you the redone pieces?
or should we have just waltzed in x-wing 1.0 for all eternity because you spent a lot of $ on it?

So dark imperium for $160 gets you two playable armies. 2 conversion kits for any X-Wing faction gets you conversions to run an entire list of every single ship in the faction.

lol at people who can afford $1,000 on minis, but baulk at buying conversion kits

15 minutes ago, Hos said:

lol at people who can afford $1,000 on minis, but baulk at buying conversion kits

Why is that lol? Depending on ship distribution, a $1000 collection could easily cost a few hundred to convert. That's a huge fraction of its cost.

29 minutes ago, Hos said:

lol at people who can afford $1,000 on minis, but baulk at buying conversion kits

There are plenty of reasons why people have $1000 of minis:

Birthdays

Christmas'

Anniversaries

Days ending in 'y' celebration...

Lots of reasons.

FFG are asking: If you've spent $1000 on minis, what's another $50 to get your favourite Faction off the ground? (Of course in Australia, that $50USD kit is going to have a around $125AUD)

12 minutes ago, period3 said:

Why is that lol? Depending on ship distribution, a $1000 collection could easily cost a few hundred to convert. That's a huge fraction of its cost.

Not really. $140 is basically the max for any $1000 standard play collection, because you enter into that territory where trading what spares you have for what your missing. That's 14% of the price of your collection and thus twice as expensive as buying a 100% fitting bundle, enough profit margin for stores to open those kits for you.

20 minutes ago, TheEldarGuy said:

There are plenty of reasons why people have $1000 of minis:

Birthdays

Christmas'

Anniversaries

Days ending in 'y' celebration...

Lots of reasons.

FFG are asking: If you've spent $1000 on minis, what's another $50 to get your favourite Faction off the ground? (Of course in Australia, that $50USD kit is going to have a around $125AUD)

how rude of FFG to offer conversion kits for your collection. they obviously should have made you rebuy every ship