22 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

With some ships you just want to fly a full set of just that ship. TIE-Fighter swarms are cool. So are epic lists with 8 Gunboats blasting away, etc

Not extending this to all ships seems indeed exzessive to me, but who am I to judge when I love my TIE-Swarm dearly (which is still just one of everything + a second rebel TIE, because my wife loves them)

A 'full set' is a weird concept though. In standard play a full set of most ships is a maximum of 3 or 4, not 8.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

A 'full set' is a weird concept though. In standard play a full set of most ships is a maximum of 3 or 4, not 8.

A full set is a full squadron for me, so 12, which does not work in this game anymore anyway. so 8 for epic or mostly just 4 for standard.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

A full set is a full squadron for me, so 12, which does not work in this game anymore anyway. so 8 for epic or mostly just 4 for standard.

It's never really worked with this game except for the cheapest ships. Epic points limits make squads of 12 of most things nonviable.

I really don't understand the impulse to buy 8 to 10 ships you'll literally never use. IDGI. Does not compute.

If people already spent a massive amount of unnecessary money on stuff they won't use, I struggle even more to understand the impulse to grumble about the cost up converting it. You've literally never used most of it, just buy the kits for whatyou do use and keep the rest for what it is - decoration.

If people have enough money to buy more than two of each ship they have enough money to buy conversion kits.

1 minute ago, Shadow345 said:

If people have enough money to buy more than two of each ship they have enough money to buy conversion kits.

The conversion kit does not even cover one of every SKU. X-Wings and Tie Fighters are 1 short. Perhaps that is just an error on the website. But the conversion kits should at least cover one of every SKU.

2 minutes ago, Reaver027 said:

The conversion kit does not even cover one of every SKU. X-Wings and Tie Fighters are 1 short. Perhaps that is just an error on the website. But the conversion kits should at least cover one of every SKU.

TIE Fighters and X-Wings are both included in the Epic SKUs. So we actually might see 8 TIE-Fighters covered with epic and imperial conversion kits together with on core set. Same for X-Wings.

11 hours ago, TylerTT said:

I do feel like they could have done a better job with the rebels pack given we have so many products that only make sense to purchase one copy of and so many ships that were reprinted in multiple products.

one Sabine tie

one ark

one ghost

one phantom 2

one phantom

replace with more x-wings b- wings a wings.

but I’m guessing this have everything to do with the new point costs. I’m guessing everything in the casual space will break down into five points.

Totally agree. Stating the conversion kit covers your entire collection is factually incorrect. I'm a Rebel player and a single conv kit for me is short in the below....

1xA-Wing

1xB-Wing

2xX-Wing

1xGR75

1xCR90

I don't play tourneys but enjoy a lot of themed large battles in Epic play. I guess FFG only really cares about Tourney players at this point? I only have one of each large ship - pull your finger out FFG and understand what your customers actually have in their collections!

So glad I play Armada more at the moment and can ignore all this for now.

Hmm... they took the firespray away from imperials. Ironically, never used it as an imperial version, so meh.

i have an obnoxious amount of tie fighters. So the imperial conversion kit could have been more ties, less decimators.

I like the fact they’re spinning off the resistance and first order. Those two blended with gcw stuff never sat well.

My only real hope is that the pilots which doubtless will be in the new expansions will be in the conversion kit

’let the past die. Kill, if you have to,’

1 hour ago, Shadow345 said:

If people have enough money to buy more than two of each ship they have enough money to buy conversion kits.

That's a sweeping generalisation and is also inaccurate.

I've been playing since 2013, I've slowly built my collection up over the last 5 years, i certainly didn't go out and splurge 500 quid all at once. plus my wife and kids used to get me ships for my birthday and christmas.

Assuming people who have been collecting for 5 years, and have 3 of each ship upto wave 4*, therefore have the money to fork out on 4 upgrade kits is utterly ridiculous.

*my particular circumstances and i do have a few of the other waves ships but i was a huge fan of the x-wing and Tie Fighter PC games.

If you built up the collection over time, what's stopping you from buying conversion kits the same way? Nobody said you had to convert your entire collection on day one.

That's what I'm going to do. I'll probably get the rebel one at GenCon, and the Imperial one the following month.

1 hour ago, Gallanteer said:

Totally agree. Stating the conversion kit covers your entire collection is factually incorrect. I'm a Rebel player and a single conv kit for me is short in the below....

1xA-Wing

1xB-Wing

2xX-Wing

1xGR75

1xCR90

I don't play tourneys but enjoy a lot of themed large battles in Epic play. I guess FFG only really cares about Tourney players at this point? I only have one of each large ship - pull your finger out FFG and understand what your customers actually have in their collections!

So glad I play Armada more at the moment and can ignore all this for now.

/qft

I'm one ship under for: Y-Wing, B-Wing, Tie Advanced, Tie Defender, Tie Phantom,

2 under for X-wing,

3 under for Tie Fighter

I'm aware they can't possibly satisfy everyone but i'd have thought 3 of each ship type and maybe 5 of each swarm ship type may have been more considerate of the community and existing ships owned.

That said, i mainly play heroes of the aturi cluster so I may just stay using the old rules.

Also is there any news on Huge Ships?

10 minutes ago, direweasel said:

If you built up the collection over time, what's stopping you from buying conversion kits the same way? Nobody said you had to convert your entire collection on day one.

That's what I'm going to do. I'll probably get the rebel one at GenCon, and the Imperial one the following month.

Nothing other than the fact you've gone from being able to use your entire collection to suddenly not being able to.

However, the thrust of my post was refuting the assumption that just because you have a large collection you automatically have the money to buy as many conversion kits as you need.

2 minutes ago, JCrudge said:

Nothing other than the fact you've gone from being able to use your entire collection to suddenly not being able to.

However, the thrust of my post was refuting the assumption that just because you have a large collection you automatically have the money to buy as many conversion kits as you need. 

There's no expiration date on 1st ed. It's not like you can't still play that way with stuff you haven't converted over.

13 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

I only need one to cover everything, and I've sunk a lot of money into this game. I just was smart about it. One faction, 2 of every ship in that faction. I knew it would pay off at some point.

I'm in the same boat. I've got almost everything Imperial, but have only just started on the Rebels (as in - I bought Heroes of the Resistance) and have zero Scum.

So with 2.0 now on the horizon I have no reason to even try and buy any 1.0 Rebels. Heck, the one pack I did buy (HoTR) is a Resistance set, so it's like I don't own any rebels at all (except of course the x-wing that comes in the original starter set).

I struggle to understand people thinking it's fine to spend out on these kits and if you resent it, then it's just sour grapes.

Don't get me wrong, I think everything I've seen on the new gameplay looks great and they seem to have addressed everything there. Feeling very positive, even excited to play 2.0.

But the waste in these kits is kind of staggering to me. If you want a single Decimator upgrade then it'll be worth looking in the bins at your FLGS...

The fact that you can spend 200+ and buy 1 for each faction, some 150(?) ships worth of cardboard and STILL not have your collection covered, even if it's only 20-30 ships, is a bit mental.

Personally, low budget/family, I have to fully justify every £20 I spend. Like once every month or 2. I simply can't justify buying WAY more than I need in these kits. I'll have to try to ebay the lot and I feel like covering my 20-30 ships that way will probably add up.

Now, I'm not expecting them to cater specifically for me, that'd be stupid, but I would've expected them to cater to a wider range of collections. The numbers in these kits is clearly skewiff, surely no one thinks 2 of various small ships next to 3 Decimators makes sense? Apart from that, I would think also having a range of smaller kits would have appealed far more widely. Certainly to me.
So. I would've liked...

Better squad number representation in the large kits. You shouldn't be getting 40 odd upgrades and yet still be unable to field that 3x Defender/Viper/etc squad. But fine if you like running 2 Falcons/Ghosts/Lambdas....

I would've maybe considered the Imperial kit but since my Imps now need 2 kits (half FO), that's not going to happen. (I'm fine with the factions being seperated btw).

A range of smaller kits, maybe a third the size. Aimed at particular types of ship maybe. Across factions too. An aces pack or a support pack... I don't know. But still, I would prefer, and I'm sure others would too, not to get 300% more cardboard than I need, while still having to aftermarket various singles.

Clearly I can take my time over it, I'll not even have the option of going all in. But it would've been nice if there was the option to spend 10/15 in whatever currency and fit out a 3rd or a half of a small, multifaction collection.

Now I do understand that purchases are optional. I have not felt the FFG blaster pointed at my head. I also understand that seamless transition and pleasing everyone is impossible. But I definitely feel that these kits, even if they do have a low profit mark up, are almost intentionally slightly wide of the mark.

And being vaguely ecologically minded (browbeaten husband) the waste here disturbs me...

Please note. I am not salty, in need of a waaambulance or in any way enraged. This is just observation based on how it affects me and on what I've read from others. I'm not at all mad. I just think the kits are kind of off. And weird. And no good to me whatsoever. That they might be good for you and some others is a reflection on both your wallet and your collection. In no way does that make those that they don't suit, wrong. Or mad. Or stupid.

I would not be even slightly surprised to find these smaller kits coming out later, perhaps with a new ship in tow, followed by considerable forum rage that you need to spend over the odds for that RZ-2 A Wing, because it's bundled in with a host of conversion cards 'everyone' already owns....

Took me too long to think about this, but if people offload their 1.0 models at a steep discount then you can get even more value from your conversion box

Only have 1 E, no falcon and who knows, maybe I'll need TWO PUNISHERS

The possibilities are crazy

Yeah, I think 1st Edition will see a resurgence with all of the old cards and such floating around.

I for one am going to use all my spare ships to run the variants I never bought. No reason I can't stick a TIE fighter on a TIE/v1's peg. That ship'll appreciate the aesthetic upgrade.

9 hours ago, Cuz05 said:

The numbers in these kits is clearly skewiff, surely no one thinks 2 of various small ships next to 3 Decimators makes sense?

The number of Decimators listed was an error. There are only two VT-49 upgrades in the kit but three for the Gunboat.

36 minutes ago, Suhawk75 said:

The number of Decimators listed was an error. There are only two VT-49 upgrades in the kit but three for the Gunboat.

I can only imagine the celebrations that are taking place at that news

It was an extreme example though and I still stand by my post.

12 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

The conversion kit does not even cover one of every SKU. X-Wings and Tie Fighters are 1 short. Perhaps that is just an error on the website. But the conversion kits should at least cover one of every SKU.

The conversion kit covers half of a full list of every ship except for the x-wing (if you can run 5). But you'll have one of those from the core set, which puts you over half again. And possibly another from saw's renegades.

12 hours ago, Gallanteer said:

Totally agree. Stating the conversion kit covers your entire collection is factually incorrect. I'm a Rebel player and a single conv kit for me is short in the below....

1xA-Wing

1xB-Wing

2xX-Wing

1xGR75

1xCR90

I don't play tourneys but enjoy a lot of themed large battles in Epic play. I guess FFG only really cares about Tourney players at this point? I only have one of each large ship - pull your finger out FFG and understand what your customers actually have in their collections!

So glad I play Armada more at the moment and can ignore all this for now.

2 kits will cover any possible standard list you can build for a faction. 1 kit will cover almost any meta list if it's anything like the meta has been for a long time, where you're usually better off with a mix of ships as opposed to spamming minimum cost generics.

9 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Took me too long to think about this, but if people offload their 1.0 models at a steep discount then you can get even more value from your conversion box

Only have 1 E, no falcon and who knows, maybe I'll need TWO PUNISHERS

The possibilities are crazy

More importantly. I think vendors will have to do sales to get rid of their 1.0 stock. We will most likely see 50% discounts within the next 6 months on ships. I actually might complete my collection so cheap that the conversion kits are basically free. ?
And this is another slap in the face for people who have completed their collection 5 times over.

9 hours ago, Cuz05 said:

I struggle to understand people thinking it's fine to spend out on these kits and if you resent it, then it's just sour grapes.

I struggle to understand people who think they need to convert every single ship they own to 2nd edition day one, or who think that they'll need to pick up an extra conversion kit to get the requisite tokens and cards for that one extra B-Wing they have in their collection.

Do these people use every single ship they own in every game they play, or are they suffering from a particularly crippling and expensive form of OCD? Do they not have the wherewithal to negotiate the aftermarket to pick up the extras they supposedly "need", or friends who also play the game they can trade with, or, indeed, the ability to wait and update their collection over time?

Seems like a classic case of first world problems to me.

I am just waiting for someone complain about how he needs tons of extra ships because he is one B-Wing over, needs now to buy a second rebel conversion kit and ALL the ships missing to use the cards from the second kits. My OCD is strong, but not that strong. I still could relate …