You guys realize this is a redesign right? There's new content, better upgrades, better abilities, and better tournament support. Why do you think you deserve this at cost? Why does FFG owe you a favor after you've clearly enjoyed their game for a long time? Did you feel ripped off from the price of the first edition? Where does this entitlement come from?

13 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

what are you talking about? the conversion kits are $50 per faction. if you have only the core set, tfa core, and most wanted, then you must pay 250 to keep playing your current collection in stores etc.

rebels $50

imperials $50

resistance $50

first order $50

scum $50

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total $250

4 T-70s, 2 Falcons, and 3 bombers worth of cardboard (This is an estimate, obviously) will not cost $50.

Just now, Squark said:

4 T-70s, 2 Falcons, and 3 bombers worth of cardboard (This is an estimate, obviously) will not cost $50.   

You have zero basis for saying that. they have not announced the cost, and you have no idea if A-wings etc will be both rebel and resistance and therefore listed in both factions.

it is possible that the same ship will have different pilots available for each faction. we just dont know

3 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

At $50 it looks like FF is making a profit on this. Shame on you Fantasy Flight.

The conversion kits, at the very least, should be sold at cost (or close to cost).

Why should we pay extra for this?

It’s a business. Businesses need to make a profit. What right does anyone have to this new content?

3 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

For all of my entire collection thus far, there is exactly one ship that isn't covered.

Seems fine to me.

Not a gunboat fan I guess ?
Though besides that ... just first order and resistance ships missing. Everything else is covered, though I missing the X-Wing Expansion, so I would assume that is the one ship that is missing for you. Which is imo bad style not cover the complete one of everything with one conversion kit to keep the "buy one of everything and you will be fine" theme. Maybe they add in the Saw's Renegates expansion 2 X-Wing conversions as well. Than we would be fine. ?

15 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

You have zero basis for saying that. they have not announced the cost, and you have no idea if A-wings etc will be both rebel and resistance and therefore listed in both factions.

it is possible that the same ship will have different pilots available for each faction. we just dont know

... I suppose they could do that. I don't see why they would when they could release a resistance A-wing expansion, which would probably be more profitable. But yes, I suppose they could do that. Occam's Razor suggests otherwise, though.

As far as cost goes... While physical production costs are probably lower than, say, the Falcon Expansion pack, this might be FFG's most ambitious project in a long time. They've clearly put a lot of man-hours into this; probably more than they do designing a new game, since there's so much content to update. That means a lot of money spent on development that could have gone to a new IP. Frankly, I suspect the kits are loss leaders (Much like the core sets), or at least they will be for their first run.

12 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

You have zero basis for saying that. they have not announced the cost, and you have no idea if A-wings etc will be both rebel and resistance and therefore listed in both factions.

it is possible that the same ship will have different pilots available for each faction. we just dont know

And you have zero basis to assume that there will be even a conversion kit for the two st factions. Having some most wanted style expansions would make more sense, and in that case you get the conversion stuff as free extra while buying a few new ships from the next movie. They really need a few more ships to flash out the faction, right? Means as well that this time FFG must new someting interesting in advance, because with just a shuttle. and 3 TIEs you don't start a whole new faction.

20 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

And you have zero basis to assume that there will be even a conversion kit for the two st factions. Having some most wanted style expansions would make more sense, and in that case you get the conversion stuff as free extra while buying a few new ships from the next movie. They really need a few more ships to flash out the faction, right? Means as well that this time FFG must new someting interesting in advance, because with just a shuttle. and 3 TIEs you don't start a whole new faction.

First Order and resistance conversion kits are confirmed for wave 2, actually. Barring something truly unexpected, though, we're probably looking at $30 each for them, though (I don't see FFG going below the cost of a "deluxe expansion")

I'll admit that I'm peeved about the presumed ~$250 buy-in to keep all my ships usable. I don't quite have everything but I'm just shy of it, and I greatly enjoy mixing up squad selection. The thought of being stuck buying back in one faction at a time is unattractive.

Overall though, I like what I'm seeing out of 2E. I particularly like the day-1 conversion kits being available for most factions.

Wish I hadn't ebayed a couple of the cards that I did a while ago, of course.

Thanks everyone for helping. Had one of those days were I just needed the shoot straight facts. I can handle $250 for the 5 factions if that is really all it is. Plus don’t need the stuff for a year—until the daughter was older. I was worried about the upgraded maneuver dials not being spec, needing to get new upgrade cards(might just sold $150 collection of extras that have many now redesigned), etc. Again, for a possible better game experience where I am not balancing cost using a bunch of possible expert opinions, I pay 250-400 ...ok. Not ideal, but few things are. But $250-400 (400 for the extra upgrades I sold off that will all of a sudden be relevant via new point costs to be relevent) for a collection of my size to be converted is ok. I welcome more upgrades that get priced right!!! Variety is the spice of life. Surprised, however, I didn’t see this coming considering all the precedent for it with other miniature games. I feel the need to head slap myself a bit.

Thanks guys.

8 hours ago, T70 Driver said:

They do cover an entire faction. Resistance and First Order are going to be separate factions on their own.

They don't. Epic is missing.

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Uh actually it's just $50 (+core set?). Per faction if you want to get crazy

You need to play a LOT of xwing to get bored of an entire Conversion pack worth of squads, though

But if you need to play your entire collection at the same time, then yeah

i would need to spend $100 on two conversion sets just to play my 3 $15 defenders.

another $100 to play my 6 z95s.

another $100 to fly my 4 khiraxz list.

I really have no idea where you are coming up with the idea that $50 covers a whole collection. even if i only owned ships from one faction it could likely be a $150 price to get into a game of epic, but many of us have ships from all 5 factions. i read through the contents of the current packs, and i would need to spend $350 just to field all the 100 point combinations of the ships I own

So instead of paying $100 to fly 3 defenders, fly two defenders and a thing for half the price

THEN decide if further investment is warranted, whether through another conversion box or through the rereleased expacs

I get that not flying whatever specific combo sucks, but these are really corner case scenarios when you could be easing yourself into 2.0 with all the combinations of squads available from the updates of 1 box

People keep throwing out these big purchase numbers for massive collections that seemingly all need to hit the table at the same time. Pace it. If you want to stick to the game but see these GIANT $s, know that it's going to be okay

Unless you play epic, in which case they haven't even announced how they're going to convert huge ships

2 hours ago, Squark said:

First Order and resistance conversion kits are confirmed for wave 2, actually. Barring something truly unexpected, though, we're probably looking at $30 each for them, though (I don't see FFG going below the cost of a "deluxe expansion")

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Resistance and First Order were in a single conversion kit. We have what, 3 ships for the resistance (T-70, Falcon, resistance bomber) and 4 for First Order? (Silencer, TIE S/F, TIE F/O, and Upsilon shuttle). So 7 ships? Rebels have more than double that and are in one conversion kit.

Plus it would make more sense for the sequel factions to be in one conversion box anyway, most people have a TFA core set which comes with both sequel factions and the ships comprise of a third of the sequel ships released.

1 hour ago, SunDancerGE said:

They don't. Epic is missing.

Epic will be covered later on, they mentioned that

2 hours ago, ssspikeee said:

Epic will be covered later on, they mentioned that

Yes but the point was "the conversion kit for faction X a has everything of that faction". And it does not. Epic ships from faction X are to be sold separately. Which really bugs me.

11 minutes ago, SunDancerGE said:

Yes but the point was "the conversion kit for faction X a has everything of that faction". And it does not. Epic ships from faction X are to be sold separately. Which really bugs me.

Hope they will issue a separate Epic pack

4 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

i would need to spend $100 on two conversion sets just to play my 3 $15 defenders.

another $100 to play my 6 z95s.

another $100 to fly my 4 khiraxz list.

I really have no idea where you are coming up with the idea that $50 covers a whole collection. even if i only owned ships from one faction it could likely be a $150 price to get into a game of epic, but many of us have ships from all 5 factions. i read through the contents of the current packs, and i would need to spend $350 just to field all the 100 point combinations of the ships I own

Hmm More like $120 for 3 kits + $20 for 2 Z-95, 1 Kihraxz and one Defender conversion from a 3rd party re-seller. You are not in need of even especially rare extra conversions. As I offered my spare Khiraz already to Gecko, it would not be right to offer it to you, but certainly I will have one spare Kihrazxz and 2 spare Z-95. I need myself as well one extra defender. That one is the more troubling one. So maybe I will be $30 instead for the conversions needed ... or I just sell the defender and buy a 2.0 defender instead. ?

Still just half the price you expected.

Im having quite a Problem not with 2.0 itself but the upgrade kits. Still some of my 1.0 ships will remain useless (firespray for example since i only collect empire and Rebellion up until now) - and i wont pay 50$ just to field my firespray and some z95's/y wings. which makes me quite sad (so sad). my thought was that they could add additional 2.0 stuff into the new ships. like: u have 6 x wings 1.0 - you would Need either 3 *50$ upgrade kits or you get one upgrade kit with 2 xwing Options PLUS a 2.0 xwing with additional 2 upgrade kits for your 1.0 stuff. i dont know how you guys feel about this idea - but for me it would be a feasible solution -at least for the beginning.

I know that this is a very personal oppinion- but my thought here is that they would get sales in the new stuff PLUS i get to upgrade more of my 1.0 stuff without spending 50$ for just a few ships which would be left out by only one upgrade kit - it cant be that expensive on the production side ... it is still only cardboard

10 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I only did one of any particular SKU, so I'm happy enough.

What is disappointing is that the conversion kits do not even cover that. If you bought every SKU once you will have 4 X-Wings. You will get a 5th when you buy the new core. Unless points are redistributed in such a way you can only fly 3 X-Wings in the future.

I am not sure what would have been the best way to fix this problem but one solution could have been to just offer the max amount of every ship for the initial point values and add the rules, damage deck and maneuver templates to the conversion kits as well. That way you only need to buy one pack per faction and won't have to buy the new starter as well. I think that would have made a lot more players happy and on board with the change.

In the end i see this as a net positive for the game.

Jup, unless they have one extra conversion kit in the new core set or the Saw's Renegades expansion it is disappointing that they left out one X-Wing. Though that X-Wing is technical in the epic expansions and THUS might come with some unannounced epic conversion kit.

7 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Not a gunboat fan I guess ?
Though besides that ... just first order and resistance ships missing. Everything else is covered, though I missing the X-Wing Expansion, so I would assume that is the one ship that is missing for you. Which is imo bad style not cover the complete one of everything with one conversion kit to keep the "buy one of everything and you will be fine" theme. Maybe they add in the Saw's Renegates expansion 2 X-Wing conversions as well. Than we would be fine. ?

I'm a gunboat fan, but I only bought one, because I didn't see the need for more. I've only very rarely bought more than one, to be honest, of any expansion that wasn't a swarmy ship. I've never really seen the need.

And I still don't remotely understand the impulse some people have to have 8 of everything, or more than 4 of a big ship at all.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Jup, unless they have one extra conversion kit in the new core set or the Saw's Renegades expansion it is disappointing that they left out one X-Wing. Though that X-Wing is technical in the epic expansions and THUS might come with some unannounced epic conversion kit.

Well we know that there is a a conversion pack in the Saw's Renegades expansion. And you might be right that the Epic conversion kit might have another one for the X-Wing.

I am not really sure if i pick these up. Since i sold most of my collection i own only very few ships. My non epic ships are 3 X-Wing, 4 Tie Fighters and a single Tie Advanced.

If i can sell off all the conversion kit pieces i do not need i might pick up both conversion kits and a new starter. But that depends also on my ability to make my limited collection strong enough to compete. Not super strong just strong enough i feel i have a chance. I feel 6 Ties plus an Advanced might be possible.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

And I still don't remotely understand the impulse some people have to have 8 of everything, or more than 4 of a big ship at all.

With some ships you just want to fly a full set of just that ship. TIE-Fighter swarms are cool. So are epic lists with 8 Gunboats blasting away, etc

Not extending this to all ships seems indeed exzessive to me, but who am I to judge when I love my TIE-Swarm dearly (which is still just one of everything + a second rebel TIE, because my wife loves them)

15 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

And I still don't remotely understand the impulse some people have to have 8 of everything, or more than 4 of a big ship at all.

Yeah, I have 8 TIE interceptors. I didn't mean to, it just happened. I had two, than I bought Imperial Aces, then I bought another blister, than I won Imperial Aces, and then I needed a 4th Alpha Sq. Pilot for a specific sauad, I so I had to buy a 4th blister. I loved having 8 for epic play, but now I can't even run all 8 with the new epic rules.

So I'm going to buy one Imperial Conversion pack, and one Core Set to start with (gotta get that sweet promo damage deck!). We'll see where the game takes me from there. So excited to play again in a few months!