49 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Yeah, at $30 I'd be stoked. At $40 I'd be happy. At $50? Twice. Per faction? That's... that's a lot of money. I'm going to have to think hard about whether I want to keep playing.

Which sucks: 2.0 does look like a major improvement to the 1.0 experience. But I don't know if I'm going to be able to afford to play.

I feel you, but of course you don’t need to spend that much at once, maybe never. Are you going to be using your entire collection all at once? Of course not. Pick a faction to start with, see if it’s worth continuing. That’s what I’ll be doing. 50 bucks seems reasonable for everything you’re getting. If it means I get to pull out my old ships, and Im having fun, I’ll buy more becuase I’m having fun playing.

I hope most most of the vets like you decide to stick around. It’s a nice community, and it looks on the surface like FFG is working on dang near everything we’re always complaining about. Give it a chance without feeling like you need every dial for every ship you own right now and see what happens.

Copmetitively speaking the only major (current) meta list(s) you can't run with a single conversion kit is 3 or 4 auzitucks.

Preorders are available at MM and the conversion kits are $40.

Core is $32.

THIS IS A NEW GAME.

11 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I was never competitive.

This screws me and a whole bunch of other beer-and-pretzels players over for your precious Sport-Wing.

...

How exactly does it do that?

Every single beer and pretzels player I know still builds lists online, because it means they can easily proxy stuff they don't have and not worry about cards, and if you don't wanna do that, the boxes come with list suggestions.

How does it wreck casual play exactly?

50 minutes ago, BlackFalcon88 said:

When you look at each pack containing something like 90 cards plus all the cardboard and i assume possibly bases its not that bad. Look at some board games these days for what is in 1 pack your probably look at $100.

Also remember you dont need to buy $300 worth of stuff right away. Go in slow and but maybe 1 or 2 then get the rest.

This. No need to buy everything at once, or at all for that matter. The Core Set and a (single) Conversion Pack will set you back $80, and give you more than enough content to fly your favourite faction.

No need to buy enough Conversion Kits to effectively rebase and update every single ship you own at once, unless of course you've got crippling OCD (like me)

2 hours ago, SunDancerGE said:

They were asking for a 50 USD conversion kit per faction? Which you need multiple copies of, depending what you want to play.

They are asking to to invest $200 to make your about $2000 collection compatible with the new system. And if the system is not changing enough you are fine with just keep playing your 1.0 collection and ignore 2.0. It's not like your stuff has become overnight obsolete. The only ones who would have a right to complain are the store owners ... and I am not 100% if those got not a warning in advanced, because I have seen a few local X-Wing sales to get rid of old 1.0 stuff. But that might have been coincidence.

Though for X-Wing 1.0 players it would be a pretty good moment to declare their collection FINAL and move on to legion as well. At least if they don't love the 2.0 version of the game. It's not like you have to spend for the rest of your life money on X-Wing to keep enjoying the game.

edit: Lastly, for players who have rather small collections ... ebay will be full of individual ship conversions, because not everyone needs a complete set and will try to sell his spare cards to people who might want them.

23 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I was never competitive.

This screws me and a whole bunch of other beer-and-pretzels players over for your precious Sport-Wing.

I hardly see how, there is nothing to stop you from playing v1 with friends. If anything the old rules are worse for casual players, due to the ridiculous card combos and upgrade bloat that exists. I play in several Aturi cluster campaigns, which will continue to use v1 rules and components and are about as far from "sportswing" as you can get, so you can jog on with your assumptions about how I like to play thanks.

1 hour ago, SomeDudeWhoMostlyLurks said:

Each conversion kit contains enough stuff to convert a minimum of TWO of every current ship and as many as FOUR of each swarm ship (TIE/ln, Z95, M3a). That is a METRIC F***TON of dials, pilot cards and base-chits. 90% of 100/6 players can get by with one conversion for their faction. If you insist on running 7xCrackTies or naked BBBBZ, then you'll need two copies and that will cover every conceivable 100 point list. For how much stuff is in the box, these are almost certainly loss-leaders, and probably the most efficient way to make the game 100% backward compatible at launch.

What would have REALLY alienated players is if all our models became obsolete.

> They were asking for a 50 USD conversion kit per faction?

Yes, we absolutely were, because it is probably the most cost-effective way to move forward. Some of us can math.

This. As I stated in another thread, my only real problem with the conversion kits is the wonky number of large ship dials they're including. Buying two Imperial kits leaves you with 6 VT-49 dials for some crazy reason, if that number somehow isn't a typo. I also don't really need 4 YT-1300 dials while we're at it...but whatever.

10 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

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How exactly does it do that?

Every single beer and pretzels player I know still builds lists online, because it means they can easily proxy stuff they don't have and not worry about cards, and if you don't wanna do that, the boxes come with list suggestions.

How does it wreck casual play exactly?

I don't want to spend $300 just to get back to where I was. I could have bought 2 Waves of new stuff.

I'm forced to invest in a game that is only being designed for tournament play. I mean, it always has been, but this is just obvious proof that this was never meant to be anything but tournament driven.

I'm tired of feeling like this is not a game designed to spend a night replaying the Battle of Scarif, with squadrons of multiple ships being led by our favorite heroes.

Yeah, I can make it that, but the actual official game, it's revisions, it's pole position listing of viable ships, it's multiple adjustments for meta effects (that I don't see on my dining room table), and the overall laissez-faire attitude towards Epic and casual have left me feeling so underserved that I can't justify spending more money on a game that is not interested in my playstyle in the first place.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

I don't want to spend $300 just to get back to where I was. I could have bought 2 Waves of new stuff.

I'm forced to invest in a game that is only being designed for tournament play. I mean, it always has been, but this is just obvious proof that this was never meant to be anything but tournament driven.

I'm tired of feeling like this is not a game designed to spend a night replaying the Battle of Scarif, with squadrons of multiple ships being led by our favorite heroes.

Yeah, I can make it that, but the actual official game, it's revisions, it's pole position listing of viable ships, it's multiple adjustments for meta effects (that I don't see on my dining room table), and the overall laissez-faire attitude towards Epic and casual have left me feeling so underserved that I can't justify spending more money on a game that is not interested in my playstyle in the first place.

But you're happy to buy new ships every wave? How is this different.

In the end it's your choice. You can carry on playing 1.0 without any support, or you can play 2.0. It looks like 2.0 is a FAR better game.

And they've explicitly confirmed that upcoming kits will include casual and thematic play support, which puts the lie to your assertion that it's tournament driven. So... I'm really not seeing the issue.

If the only issue is money that's between you and your wallet, and I can't really comment on your financial situation except to point out that a couple of hundred bucks is probably peanuts to what you spend on x wing even in a given year. It's a big single outlay, sure, but you also get a lot of stuff.

3 hours ago, NeverBetTheFett said:

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Nnnnnnnope.

5 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I don't want to spend $300 just to get back to where I was.

Than don't, because you don't need to buy anything to stay where you are actually now. You can keep playing 1.0.

Heck, you can even just use the free app and play 2.0 without buying those upgrade kits, because those upgrade kits are purely for competitive players a must. Everyone else can use proxies, 3rd party dials or dial apps and just stay with 1.0

And considering what a big spender you have been in the past > IF 2.0 is a blast to play and huge improvement than it will be worth those $300 as payment for all the development time anyway.

2 hours ago, kellyj said:

Except 2 of my kids play at the tourny level so thats 3x each kit...450-500 to keep us all legal. And to think i left Games Workshop because of this kind of reboot$$$$

Exactly! I need to buy 7 conversion kits to keep my collection legit. I quit GW over their price hikes and jumped to X-Wing because it was cost manageable. Now it looks more like GW.

2 minutes ago, Knave Squawk said:

Exactly! I need to buy 7 conversion kits to keep my collection legit. I quit GW over their price hikes and jumped to X-Wing because it was cost manageable. Now it looks more like GW.

lol not even remotely. This is a one-off cost, and honestly, with a collection that size, a drop in the bucket compared to what you've already spent and would presumably have continued to spend on 1.0 on an ongoing basis.

2 hours ago, Werewolf_nr said:

And while, yes, there will be a ton of tokens, cards, etc in the box, none of those things are inherently expensive to produce. At most FFG is paying $10 per box production costs. So this is coming off as a cash grab.

Not to anyone that has the slightest idea about how a business works.

25 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

But you're happy to buy new ships every wave? How is this different.

In the end it's your choice. You can carry on playing 1.0 without any support, or you can play 2.0. It looks like 2.0 is a FAR better game.

And they've explicitly confirmed that upcoming kits will include casual and thematic play support, which puts the lie to your assertion that it's tournament driven. So... I'm really not seeing the issue.

If the only issue is money that's between you and your wallet, and I can't really comment on your financial situation except to point out that a couple of hundred bucks is probably peanuts to what you spend on x wing even in a given year. It's a big single outlay, sure, but you also get a lot of stuff.

A. It's not. Touche.

B. We don't know that yet.

C. This is the one thing that could convert me. But if this at the same level as lame 100/6 variant missions in Large Ship boxes, I don't consider that support.

D. It ain't the money.

D1. I was reluctant to start playing collectible games again after M:TG, SW:CCG and ME:TW. I got into this game because SW, not to win swag. It has never felt like a SW space battles game to me in its heart and soul.

D2. On a personal level, I just don't get to play enough. I feel I have over-invested in XWM 1.0 based on how much I get to play. To stay current, I have to spend $300-400 in empty upkeep.

So,

D3. This might just be the reason I needed to get back out of collectible games.

If this became an amazing, Star Wars based narrative game, it would be worth it to stay in. If this about micro-managing point values for Sport-Wingers, I have no reason to stay invested.

17 minutes ago, Knave Squawk said:

Exactly! I need to buy 7 conversion kits to keep my collection legit. I quit GW over their price hikes and jumped to X-Wing because it was cost manageable. Now it looks more like GW.

Is really your whole collection like 4 of everything? Because I am hugely impressed with your collection in that case ... while I contained myself to the one of everything policy.

If you just have a few outflier ... like I have 5 A-Wings than ebay might half that price to converting your whole collection. People will sell cards they don't need. Sharing with locals is always an option as well. Not everyone as 5 Kihraxz like Gecko, a lot of people don't have even three of those. 5 A-Wings is not that common either, so I am either buying a second rebel conversion kit and selling off a lot of rebel cards OR I am buying my self from ebay. Most likely the later.

43 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

Copmetitively speaking the only major (current) meta list(s) you can't run with a single conversion kit is 3 or 4 auzitucks.

And keep in mind that we already know they have changed how several of the actions work, and I don't think I've seen an upgrade or pilot ability yet that exists in its current form.

If someone was broken in 1.0, odds that it exists in a broken/meta-defining way in 2.0? Pretty low. I'd start with the assumption that 3 or 4 Auzitucks is not a powerful squad in 2nd edition, for example, so don't worry much that it isn't easy to buy.

2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

A. It's not. Touche.

B. We don't know that yet.

C. This is the one thing that could convert me. But if this at the same level as lame 100/6 variant missions in Large Ship boxes, I don't consider that support.

D. It ain't the money.

D1. I was reluctant to start playing collectible games again after M:TG, SW:CCG and ME:TW. I got into this game because SW, not to win swag. It has never felt like a SW space battles game to me in its heart and soul.

D2. On a personal level, I just don't get to play enough. I feel I have over-invested in XWM 1.0 based on how much I get to play. To stay current, I have to spend $300-400 in empty upkeep.

So,

D3. This might just be the reason I needed to get back out of collectible games.

B: no, we don't. WHich is why I said 'looks like', not 'is'. It answers a lot of the criticisms I've seen from both sides of the casual/competitive aisle, and adds a lot of interesting new mechanics to the core of the game which were half-assedly jury-rigged in previously.

C. it remains to be seen if the follow through, but yeah, the stream was explicit that upcoming seasonal kits will include support for casual, thematic, and competitive play in the same kit.

D. No accounting for taste I guess? But 2.0 might well help with that 'star wars space battles' feel, with some of the major changes to some of the less 'dogfighty' aspects of the game, particularly turrets.

It would be a shame to see you go. You're a good dude.

Prety much. We have no idea what will actually be good in 2.0, but I wouldn't be surprised if, like now, most of the best squads are still a mix of ships, not spamming 4-6 of all the same ship.

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

Is really your whole collection like 4 of everything? Because I am hugely impressed with your collection in that case ... while I contained the one of everything policy.

If you just have a few outflier ... like I have 5 A-Wings than ebay might half that price to converting your whole collection. People will sell cards they don't need. Sharing with locals is always an option as well. Not everyone as 5 Kihraxz like Gecko, a lot of people don't have even three of those. 5 A-Wings is not that common either, so I am either buying a second rebel conversion kit and selling off a lot of rebel cards OR I am buying my self from ebay. Most likely the later.

I have 4-5 of most ships (some I have more like 6 y-wings, 12 z-95s, etc.), 2-3 of each of the big ones. I'm casual which means I love the ships and buy everything I can and don't care what is meta good or not (I have 4 Tie Punishers and wanted to add more). My friends come over and 4-6 of us crack out my collection, drink beer and everyone plays whatever they want. What I don't want to do is buy a bunch of conversion kits, manage two versions of the game and deal with version issues with new ships. I definitely don't want an app.

11 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Is really your whole collection like 4 of everything?

Yes, it is. This hurts, a lot.

2 hours ago, SomeDudeWhoMostlyLurks said:

Each conversion kit contains enough stuff to convert a minimum of TWO of every current ship and as many as FOUR of each swarm ship (TIE/ln, Z95, M3a). That is a METRIC F***TON of dials, pilot cards and base-chits. 90% of 100/6 players can get by with one conversion for their faction. If you insist on running 7xCrackTies or naked BBBBZ, then you'll need two copies and that will cover every conceivable 100 point list. For how much stuff is in the box, these are almost certainly loss-leaders, and probably the most efficient way to make the game 100% backward compatible at launch.

What would have REALLY alienated players is if all our models became obsolete.

> They were asking for a 50 USD conversion kit per faction?

Yes, we absolutely were, because it is probably the most cost-effective way to move forward. Some of us can math.

THIS!

14 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yes, it is. This hurts, a lot.

Hurts less than re buying everything, right?

16 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

C. it remains to be seen if the follow through, but yeah, the stream was explicit that upcoming seasonal kits will include support for casual, thematic, and competitive play in the same kit.

D. No accounting for taste I guess? But 2.0 might well help with that 'star wars space battles' feel, with some of the major changes to some of the less 'dogfighty' aspects of the game, particularly turrets.

It would be a shame to see you go. You're a good dude.

Not to be that smelly guy in the basement kinda player, but I don't play in a FLGS. If FFG isn't supporting thematic play at home, it doesn't help me much. My FLGS has events on Monday nights. I work late as a veterinarian. I generally can't make it. The irony is that I live in Chicago. . .you would think I would have lots of options. None of them are close enough to be feasible.

I might have to sit it out for a couple of Waves and think it over, but thanks, I appreciate the compliment.