Will see new ships in X-Wing Epic ships? Or are you eliminating Epic ships?

Question for FFG: Is it okay for people to sell copyrighted FFG materials like cards and rules, if they're doing something cool with them? I'm thinking not only custom alt-arts, but also rulebooks. If someone, say, wanted to print the Rules Reference to look like a Bible, with an X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Fang Fighter etc on front, would they be allowed to sell that or would they risk copyright infringement?

4 hours ago, Wazat said:

Question for FFG: Is it okay for people to sell copyrighted FFG materials like cards and rules, if they're doing something cool with them? I'm thinking not only custom alt-arts, but also rulebooks. If someone, say, wanted to print the Rules Reference to look like a Bible, with an X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Fang Fighter etc on front, would they be allowed to sell that or would they risk copyright infringement?

Note: specifically, the Rules Reference has, written at the bottom of the 3rd to last page "Permission granted to print or photocopy for personal use." This would allow you to print it out as you see fit, copy it, potentially alter the copied state for yourself and possibly others.

More importantly, this text is on the 2nd to last page. "© & TM Lucasfilm Ltd. No part of this product may be used without specific written permission . Fantasy Flight Games and the FFG logo are ® of Fantasy Flight Games. Fantasy Flight Games is located at 1995 West County Road B2, Roseville, MN 55113, USA, 651-639- 1905. Actual components may vary from those shown. Made in China. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT A TOY. NOT INTENDED FOR USE BY PERSONS 13 YEARS OF AGE OR YOUNGER. Permission granted to print or photocopy for personal use ." The only permissions granted to those who would use Rules Reference only have permission to use the Rules Reference by printing and photocopying only.

I think you'd be wise to not sell these broadly online, but rather keep them local if you make more than a few to sell or keep them on the down-low. I'm sure Fantasy Flight and the Mouse have bigger fish to fry than you eeking a tiny profit that mostly covers material cost off of nicely printed material for dedicated X-Wingers who don't want to do it for themselves, but caution is probably good.

This is a helpful article for you to peruse. http://strebecklaw.com/is-it-legal-to-make-game-trays-and-accessories-for-other-companies-games/ The rules are an original literary work from Fantasy Flight Games, Lucasfilm, and Disney. What you would be producing would be a derivative work. You selling the work - cool though it may be - is very likely copyright infringement since you'd be using a substantial amount of literary and pictoral expression and you don't have permission to sell them, only print and photocopy for personal use.

Cards and templates probably fall under a different category than rules since they aren't literature heavy. I'm unsure on the legalese surrounding them, anyway.

On ‎7‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 11:01 AM, GLEXOR said:

This was simply a problem with Saw's Renegades. All actual 2.0 x-wings stay open/closed.

As for the glue, a bit of goo-gone will clean it right up.

Can you goo gone it without cracking it open?

Noticed something under the upgrade section of rules reference. "A ship cannot include more than one copy of the same card." and "A squad's cards are restricted by the rules of limited cards." are included as bullet points under "Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:". Is this an error like I think it is? If so did I miss an update to the rules reference?

1 hour ago, Hiemfire said:

Noticed something under the upgrade section of rules reference. "A ship cannot include more than one copy of the same card." and "A squad's cards are restricted by the rules of limited cards." are included as bullet points under "Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:". Is this an error like I think it is? If so did I miss an update to the rules reference?

What error is it that you think exists? 2e has different rules than 1e, in 2e you can never equip a duplicate card; essentially all cards have the 1e Limited keyword.

The 1e Unique keyword is now called Limited, but is still denoted by the same bulletpoint system.

On 8/3/2018 at 1:51 PM, PanchoX1 said:

Can you goo gone it without cracking it open?

Sadly, no.

But it is pretty easy to open.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

What error is it that you think exists? 2e has different rules than 1e, in 2e you can never equip a duplicate card; essentially all cards have the 1e Limited keyword.

The 1e Unique keyword is now called Limited, but is still denoted by the same bulletpoint system.

Their wording and the lack of bolding seems to me to imply a general rule for upgrades. If they are only applicable to the cards they are listed on, which being bullet points to that subsection implies, then we are looking at the possibility of multiple modification ships taking multiple Afterburners, Hull Upgrades, Stealth Devices, etc.

Grr. Interface issue. Please disregard this post.

6 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Their wording and the lack of bolding seems to me to imply a general rule for upgrades. If they are only applicable to the cards they are listed on, which being bullet points to that subsection implies, then we are looking at the possibility of multiple modification ships taking multiple Afterburners, Hull Upgrades, Stealth Devices, etc.

'A ship cannot include more than one copy of the same card.'

Seems perfectly clear to me.

8 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

'A ship cannot include more than one copy of the same card.'

Seems perfectly clear to me.

Go to page 19 of the rules reference and look how it is laid out. Or are you trolling?

8 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

'A ship cannot include more than one copy of the same card.'

Seems perfectly clear to me.

Even Better than guessing you'll take the time to look up the page, here's the text:

Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:

• Rebel/Imperial/Scum: This upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified faction.

• Small/Medium/Large/Huge ship: This upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified size.

• Ship-type: If there is a type of ship listed, this upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified type.

• Action: If there is an action icon, this upgrade can be equipped only to a ship with that action on its action bar. This does not include actions on its linked action bar.

• A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card.

• A squad’s cards are restricted by the rules of limited cards.

Do you see how it is laid out. The bullet points are subordinate to the condition laid out in the controlling statement, in this case "Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:".

So for "A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card." to be in effect it has to be printed on the card it effects. If this didn't help clarify my concern then I suggest you bring a lawyer with you any time you are presented with a contract of any form...

The Fang Fighter on the PDF is the only ship that can't use mods? Is that an error in light of quick build cards using that slot (Joy and Fenn use 2)?

1 hour ago, Hiemfire said:

Even Better than guessing you'll take the time to look up the page, here's the text:

Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:

• Rebel/Imperial/Scum: This upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified faction.

• Small/Medium/Large/Huge ship: This upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified size.

• Ship-type: If there is a type of ship listed, this upgrade can be equipped only to a ship of the specified type.

• Action: If there is an action icon, this upgrade can be equipped only to a ship with that action on its action bar. This does not include actions on its linked action bar.

• A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card.

• A squad’s cards are restricted by the rules of limited cards.

Do you see how it is laid out. The bullet points are subordinate to the condition laid out in the controlling statement, in this case "Some upgrade cards have one or more of the following rules in their restrictions box:".

So for "A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card." to be in effect it has to be printed on the card it effects. If this didn't help clarify my concern then I suggest you bring a lawyer with you any time you are presented with a contract of any form...

I'd concur that that item should appear above the list, aas should the item about limited cards, but the intention is blindingly obvious.

33 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd concur that that item should appear above the list, aas should the item about limited cards, but the intention is blindingly obvious.

"Blindingly"? No. Reasonable to infer, yes. I put it to you that the difference matters.

This user is bringing up a problem with the rules and how they're written: even though it's more or less reasonable to infer from context that the last two bullet points are not subordinate to the main header, it's also reasonable and easy not to (and probably common enough). It's a huge problem that it's laid out that way... Least we forget, not everyone is a rules lawyer, and not everyone who is passionate about this game speaks English as their first language, or is old enough or rules-precise enough to get this right on the first try. The goal of well-written rules is to be clear, to not require the reader to infer the meaning or guess at what they're meant to do. He's right to ask FFG about this, to seek clarity and help them improve their rules document.

FFG did a great job with the rules reference and made it overall very precise and clear. It probably took a good amount of time and money to get it to this point, and I'm willing to bet they're invested in fixing problems and further perfecting that clarity: community help matters.

@Hiemfire It's a legit question, you did nothing wrong. BTW page 17's Squad Building section repeats the rule, making it a bit more clear that it's global. But if a user only looked up Upgrade Cards to check the rule, they could easily be misled and build an invalid fleet. Good catch!

It is a heck of a case of the RR contradicting itself. Has an easy solution to. Drop the bullet point from next to " A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card    ." And align it with the controlling statement that it was formerly shown as subordinate to. The one after it makes sense as a further limiting factor that builds on " A ship cannot equip more than one copy of the same card    ." by outlining a further limitation imposed on squads that use [Limited] upgrades.

For those of you who were at GenCon and got to buy the 2nd edition early, do you know if there’s a beta version of the app we can access, or even a browser version of the official Squad Builder, or do we have to wait until the official release? It seems like a bummer to get the game early but have to wait a month to play it anyway.

51 minutes ago, joefrank87 said:

For those of you who were at GenCon and got to buy the 2nd edition early, do you know if there’s a beta version of the app we can access, or even a browser version of the official Squad Builder, or do we have to wait until the official release? It seems like a bummer to get the game early but have to wait a month to play it anyway.

There are PDFs with the points and slots, you can play right now.

17 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There are PDFs with the points and slots, you can play right now.

True. I guess I’m just thinking more for convenience, it’s a little obnoxious to have to hunt through that list for every single ship and upgrade card when I’m assuming the app would make that process much easier.

8 minutes ago, joefrank87 said:

True. I guess I’m just thinking more for convenience, it’s a little obnoxious to have to hunt through that list for every single ship and upgrade card when I’m assuming the app would make that process much easier.

That app will proabbly not be out before the day of release at this stage, would be my guess.

There are already 3rd party ones though.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

That app will proabbly not be out before the day of release at this stage, would be my guess.

There are already 3rd party ones though.

For second edition? That’s awesome, I didn’t realize that. Thanks!

4 hours ago, joefrank87 said:

For second edition? That’s awesome, I didn’t realize that. Thanks!

If you're still looking for it: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

2 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

If you're still looking for it: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

Should the 2.0 version be “((yet another)yet another) x-wing squad builder” ?

2 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Should the 2.0 version be “((yet another)yet another) x-wing squad builder” ?

Please submit that as a feature request!

Can anyone tell me whether or not the dials in 2.0 have ship abbreviations (like "TF" for Tie Fighter or "BW" for B-wing) printed on them? In 1.0, there was an odd mix of some dials having abbreviations and others just using numbers (like "SW57"). Personally, I much preferred the abbreviations for the purpose of swapping dials in and out of the dial upgrade kits. Thanks for your help!