There's what looks like a promo damage deck available if you pre-order a core set that has blueprint art of an X-Wing on it. I'm guessing that's the only way to get that version of the damage deck, but I'm not about to pay $15 for shipping (although I guess I could look at it as paying $15 for the promo damage deck, which isn't much better).

3 minutes ago, redxavier said:

I'm of two minds about this. Some of the changes sound good, but I don't think they've gone far enough for a 2.0, considering the huge cost of buying in. Getting the conversion kits will net me (possibly many others too) a whole heap of useless stuff while not providing enough for the ships we do have. Two X-wings only. That's not even a full point squad, and indeed it doesn't look like they provide enough for any full squad of the same ship. And that's just talking about the dials and bases. What upgrade cards will be provided and more importantly how many? Unique cards are easy to replace, but what about if you have 4 Rookie Pilots, is the pack going to come with 4 Rookie Pilot cards to match that?

I actually don't mind spending $100 to get into 2.0, but that's not going to be the reality. It's going to be more (I'll need at least 2 of each Rebel and Imperial packs) or a matter of finding required items on the secondary market (hey, looking on the bright side, the secondary market is going to flourish with this). It's more affordable to just buy the new stuff, especially if the new models are articulated.

Anyhow, I don't much like the new card design either, sorry to say. There's so much empty space. I adore the artwork, and wished they moved more towards the direction of the alt cards with more art, not less.

On a positive note, that the ST stuff is split from the OT stuff is the best bit of news for me. {please do this for Armada FFG!}

Keep in mind for x-wings at least, if you buy the core set you'll have a athird, and if you have saws renegades you'll have a 4th. And from what I can tell, they don't try to give a full point squad, most small ships give you roughly enough to run half of a full squad, so 2 conversion kits should let you run a full squad of pretty much any ship

5 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

Do you use a squad builder now? Then there's no difference. (Assuming the FFG app/webapp don't suck, which I'll grant is not a trivial assumption. Though I imagine if they do we'll see continued support on a lot of our existing third party builders.)

If you're not using a squad builder now, just adding the points up manually, you'll need to print off the reference sheet that says what everything costs in the current release. But aside from going online to get that pdf every month or so, you won't need to rely on a screen.

It's notsomuch that as what a poster said above. Miniatures games to me are time away from a screen, using old school brainpower. For myself, feh, I'm a lost cause screen addict- Startactics and FlyCasual FTW!

But for my kids, there is way too much screen reliance around these days, it stunts and warps their development.

They enjoy going through the folder and building squadrons, using mental arithmetic, reading, cross referencing and suchlike. It's tactile and it's simple. I give them the point limit and the folder and off they go.

I understand that it basically means getting an index of current point costs in the back of the card folder but that is actually sh***er than the current set up.

I totally get the change to an app. It makes complete sense for live balancing and there's not really a better way of doing it. It's just a shame that competitive demands and modernisation always ends up at digital solutions.

Just now, Cuz05 said:

It's notsomuch that as what a poster said above. Miniatures games to me are time away from a screen, using old school brainpower. For myself, feh, I'm a lost cause screen addict- Startactics and FlyCasual FTW!

But for my kids, there is way too much screen reliance around these days, it stunts and warps their development.

They enjoy going through the folder and building squadrons, using mental arithmetic, reading, cross referencing and suchlike. It's tactile and it's simple. I give them the point limit and the folder and off they go.

I understand that it basically means getting an index of current point costs in the back of the card folder but that is actually sh***er than the current set up.

I totally get the change to an app. It makes complete sense for live balancing and there's not really a better way of doing it. It's just a shame that competitive demands and modernisation always ends up at digital solutions.

They've said you can print a list of costs out from the site. So once you've done that, bar any changes down the road for balance, you can just refer to that and not use a screen.

56 minutes ago, DailyRich said:

Having different icons for front and rear arcs makes me wonder if they might do a ship with different attack ratings for its front and rear attacks.

EDIT: And what's that on Ten Nunb's Focus action? Can he spend a Focus to perform a Barrel Roll?

I think that is the linked action that was mentioned. He can focus and then take a "red action" which in this case is a barrel roll that gives a stress. Ten Nunb can also just do a barrel roll as a "white action."

PTL gets baked into some pilots but only for certain action combinations.

My wife and I came back recently to the game but this is a deal breaker.

Backwards compatible means buying a mandatory new starter box around 50.00 USD plus a conversion kit that doesn't have enough of the ships we play for each faction at 150.00 USD plus another conversion kit for Rebels and Imps. That's 300.00 USD just to keep using the ships we've already spent a small fortune on.

I'm baffled as to why anyone is happy with this change. 300.00 USD just to keep using the same ships you already bought? ?

2 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

It's notsomuch that as what a poster said above. Miniatures games to me are time away from a screen, using old school brainpower. For myself, feh, I'm a lost cause screen addict- Startactics and FlyCasual FTW!

But for my kids, there is way too much screen reliance around these days, it stunts and warps their development.

They enjoy going through the folder and building squadrons, using mental arithmetic, reading, cross referencing and suchlike. It's tactile and it's simple. I give them the point limit and the folder and off they go.

I understand that it basically means getting an index of current point costs in the back of the card folder but that is actually sh***er than the current set up.

I totally get the change to an app. It makes complete sense for live balancing and there's not really a better way of doing it. It's just a shame that competitive demands and modernisation always ends up at digital solutions.

For the record, I wasn't trying to say that not using a squad builder is bad, or anything.

Assuming the Quick Build options are too simple for your kids, you're probably going to want to sleeve your cards and put stickers on them where you write their squad point cost. Unless referring to the list turns out to be okay.

1 minute ago, InterceptorMad said:

They've said you can print a list of costs out from the site. So once you've done that, bar any changes down the road for balance, you can just refer to that and not use a screen.

Presumably when they do balance changes you'll be able to download a new PDF

32 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

So I will need 2 or 3 OF EACH FACTION UPDATE BOX AT $50 EACH to keep playing this game in the way to which I am accustomed??

HA HA HA!!!

Kiss my grits. Darth Meanie, over and out.

3 Decimators and only 2 Tie Adv and Defenders ?!? What a joke.

1 minute ago, Bulwyf said:

My wife and I came back recently to the game but this is a deal breaker.

Backwards compatible means buying a mandatory new starter box around 50.00 USD plus a conversion kit that doesn't have enough of the ships we play for each faction at 150.00 USD plus another conversion kit for Rebels and Imps. That's 300.00 USD just to keep using the ships we've already spent a small fortune on.

I'm baffled as to why anyone is happy with this change. 300.00 USD just to keep using the same ships you already bought? ?

Or, you know, you and your friends keep playing 1.0.

1 minute ago, Bulwyf said:

My wife and I came back recently to the game but this is a deal breaker.

Backwards compatible means buying a mandatory new starter box around 50.00 USD plus a conversion kit that doesn't have enough of the ships we play for each faction at 150.00 USD plus another conversion kit for Rebels and Imps. That's 300.00 USD just to keep using the ships we've already spent a small fortune on.

I'm baffled as to why anyone is happy with this change. 300.00 USD just to keep using the same ships you already bought? ?

Because it has a ton of much needed changes and updates to the game that should make the game much better. And you can play just fine wiith only one conversion kit per faction, you just can't spam a full list o fthe same ship unless you buy a second.

1 minute ago, mitrandil said:

3 Decimators and only 2 Tie Adv and Defenders ?!? What a joke.

With the new 20 point list! i can finally fly trip decimators!

3 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

It's notsomuch that as what a poster said above. Miniatures games to me are time away from a screen, using old school brainpower. For myself, feh, I'm a lost cause screen addict- Startactics and FlyCasual FTW!

But for my kids, there is way too much screen reliance around these days, it stunts and warps their development.

They enjoy going through the folder and building squadrons, using mental arithmetic, reading, cross referencing and suchlike. It's tactile and it's simple. I give them the point limit and the folder and off they go.

I understand that it basically means getting an index of current point costs in the back of the card folder but that is actually sh***er than the current set up.

I totally get the change to an app. It makes complete sense for live balancing and there's not really a better way of doing it. It's just a shame that competitive demands and modernisation always ends up at digital solutions.

There were also the "quick build" cards that don't seem to need the app or anything from online at all. Those look pretty good for just having "pickup games."

Know what I'm REALLY looking forward to?

Flying Han and Dash in the same list and watching everyone who knows me freak the **** out

1 minute ago, InterceptorMad said:

They've said you can print a list of costs out from the site. So once you've done that, bar any changes down the road for balance, you can just refer to that and not use a screen.

Oh yeah, I get that. Coming from wh40k though, I can tell you that having to constantly leaf through pages to an index for point costs is not better.

It's not a real complaint though, the game is not aimed at my children. 99% of players (probably myself included) will prefer an app that point costs things appropriately and automatically.

1 hour ago, Djaskim609 said:

50 bucks for each faction conversion kit---FU FFG. This really sucks--I built my collection over time and now I have to shell out this much effing cash?

No, you probably have to shell out EVEN MORE because you might want to fly three Xwings at a time...

From what they said int he stream, 200 ponit lists isn't doubling the ships you can fly, they basically just doubled the cost of everything to start to hvae more granularity on point differences.

2 minutes ago, DailyRich said:

Or, you know, you and your friends keep playing 1.0.

Not much choice unless FFG is going to provide these kits and starter box pro bono to existing players. 300.00 USD plus tax is insanely expensive.

1 minute ago, Richardizme said:

With the new 20 point list! i can finally fly trip decimators!

Well, maybe not lol they said it is 200pts standard now but the same game size. So I assume stuff just costs more now.

I doubt we'll be seeing 15 ties on a board for standard play.

4 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

For the record, I wasn't trying to say that not using a squad builder is bad, or anything.

Assuming the Quick Build options are too simple for your kids, you're probably going to want to sleeve your cards and put stickers on them where you write their squad point cost. Unless referring to the list turns out to be okay.

That's a pretty fine idea! Cheers

1 minute ago, Bulwyf said:

Not much choice unless FFG is going to provide these kits and starter box pro bono to existing players. 300.00 USD plus tax is insanely expensive.

So you don't buy 2 conversion kits for every faction right off the bat? Buy a core set and pick a faction to start with, then pick up the rest over time to expand back out.

2 minutes ago, BigBadAndy said:

No, you probably have to shell out EVEN MORE because you might want to fly three Xwings at a time...

Well Saws comes with 2.0 stuff

I missed the whole "needing the new core" though. Have the templates changed? Do we NEED the new deck?

I remember everyone flipping their **** about the ep 7 core...

1 minute ago, Bulwyf said:

Not much choice unless FFG is going to provide these kits and starter box pro bono to existing players. 300.00 USD plus tax is insanely expensive.

You do know those are still by choice though right? Yes you can just play 1st ed. But, you could also convert 1 faction/list at a time. Play rebels for a bit only, get used to 2nd ed. If you like it, move onto imps, convert them, play for a bit more, and so on.

You don't NEEEEEED to spend $300+ right away. How many games are you playing per month and how many diff lists in the diff factions are those games?

3 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

Oh yeah, I get that. Coming from wh40k though, I can tell you that having to constantly leaf through pages to an index for point costs is not better.

It's not a real complaint though, the game is not aimed at my children. 99% of players (probably myself included) will prefer an app that point costs things appropriately and automatically.

The idea becomes highly appealing with updated points costs. i mean if they had this for the old E wings or defenders back in the day, people would have flow those ships a lot more. Would have seen corran more often for sure.

This is the first time I have really thought about X-Wing in quite a while (look at my avatar heh) and man o man!! This seems like it was much needed. I don't know how I feel about the price for the conversion kits, but for what you get I can see why they are that price. This may drive people to only maining one faction, at least for now. It looks awesome and I may just hop back on the train! The only thing I am kinda salty about is 2 Defenders per conversion kit ? since I have 3. Also, Whisper got another hull!