I completely understand reservations about $50 boxes (esp multiple) but I would encourage people first wait for more info and then maybe purchase A box to start

Sure you can't fly five Xs (you can fly 3, two with conversion and 1 with Saw's 2.0 contents) but you can still fly thematic lists from across the movies

Xs and Ys v TIEfighters with Vader,

Falcon and Xs v tie fighters with bombers

Xys/Ya/As/B's/falcon v fighters and interceptors...

While the cost is high, it may be worth the POSSIBILITY that these ships can hit the table without the player hamstringing themselves in terms of competitive viability

and you can (if you want to) experience this with a lot less $ if you pace yourself

then you can see if it's worth diving into the blank hole from wence no wallet returns

Good evening, I just want to comment that I am Spanish, and that the reaction of many people here to know the news and the prices of the new xwing has been very fast and simple, many people are already selling their collections before they fall in price. A pity, I will do the same with a part of my fleet.

I'll just keep a part as a Star Wars lover and for some casual game from month to month.

1 hour ago, DailyRich said:

Curious as to what the extra white lines on the ship tokens are for.

1. Splitting all ships (even those with 80-degree arcs) into 180-degree sections for 'reinforce' to work (it's now available much more widely than it was before - many large ships seem to have it)
2. Barrel roll was changed. The maneuver templates all have a line down their center - you line up the template with the white line on the ship base token before moving (IE., you no longer slide it up and down to find the perfect spot, there is only a single option).

...at least, that's what we can tell so far. There may be other uses, we don't really know yet.

I seriously can't get behind the idea that you just have to buy 2 conversion kits for your same faction ships. 40 in one box should be enough for most but it seems not. Obviously some people have A LOT of ships but still. Seems to me, to cover 20 odd ships you'll end up with bumf for 80!

That said, I think the vast majority of actual gameplay changes look great. Ultimately though, I'm not convinced they needed to invalidate so much in order to give the community what it wants.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if, once they've fleeced the hardcore on multiple conversion kits, they roll out some smaller packs.

Could we at least wait for the initial point values before we say we need x amount of conversion box y? That is something we just don't know yet.

But i agree that teh price pojnt on these conversion kits is just too high. 35$ would have been a much better price point. Or it should have included enough to run every ship to max capacity in a list for the initial points. (This still might be the case.)

I might get back into X-Wing because of on 2.0 but ia m not sure yet. Still love the game but have not played in a long long time.

I was initially frustrated by the cost to update, especially since my collection is pretty modest and missing most of the recent releases. But I anticipate that eBay will be invaluable, as folks divide up the conversion kits... the Imperial box has 34 different dials, so you're looking at less than $1.50 per dial at the end of the day. For some folks, it may be cheaper to buy the conversion components for specific ships online -- or to trade them with friends/sell them yourself, to help recoup the cost of additional conversion kits. For instance, Imperials are my "main" faction -- but I'll only need 14 of the dials out of the conversion kit (and 2 extras not included). I expect that I can trade or sell the 20 remaining dials/pieces of cardboard I won't need to recoup the cost of the conversion pack. I don't have many Rebel ships, which means it may wind up being more cost effective for me to try and get the specific cardboard pieces I need for them online/through trades.

I anticipate that it will cost me under $150 to upgrade my entire collection, perhaps even less. Some ships (TIE Fighters, A-Winds, B-Wings) will probably be in the highest demand. But the components for other ships will likely be very easy to get (everyone will be swimming in Decimator dials, it seems). I don't have as many ships as other folks on these boards, but I think the secondary market for parts of these conversion packs will really thrive and that will give people a way to recoup their investment (or upgrade their fleet without buying the $50 boxes). I'm sure some of the upgrade cards will be in high demand as well, and that might be another opportunity for folks who wind up buying a ton of conversion packs.

32 minutes ago, Suhawk75 said:

There are downloadable points lists.

Downloads don't always work.

10 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

I completely understand reservations about $50 boxes (esp multiple) but I would encourage people first wait for more info and then maybe purchase A box to start

Sure you can't fly five Xs (you can fly 3, two with conversion and 1 with Saw's 2.0 contents) but you can still fly thematic lists from across the movies

Xs and Ys v TIEfighters with Vader,

Falcon and Xs v tie fighters with bombers

Xys/Ya/As/B's/falcon v fighters and interceptors...

While the cost is high, it may be worth the POSSIBILITY that these ships can hit the table without the player hamstringing themselves in terms of competitive viability

and you can (if you want to) experience this with a lot less $ if you pace yourself

then you can see if it's worth diving into the blank hole from wence no wallet returns

Personally I think there will be a fair amount of swapping among mates. Getting everyone's collection back to 100% usable might not realistically happen, but then I bet most longtime players have more than they can fly in a year anyway. And the secondary market will more than make up for those corner cases where you just need one more Advanced dial or something.

Can someone explain these? Are they just pre-made builds for the starter set? Or do these pilots always have to take these upgrades (That can't be... can it?)

1 minute ago, Sir Orrin said:

Can someone explain these? Are they just pre-made builds for the starter set? Or do these pilots always have to take these upgrades (That can't be... can it?)

quick builds, mainly for newer players that havne't learned good squad building yet

Just now, VanderLegion said:

quick builds, mainly for newer players that havne't learned good squad building yet

And the colored bar above it is supposed to be the "threat level" of that build. IE., how good it should be.

Something built into the online squad builder - presumably to, again, help new players with builds. So they won't show up at tournament day with builds that are total junk and get instantly curb-stomped. (Obviously still likely to lose, but at least not feel like they were building a list completely in the dark about what was 'good' or not)

They also seemed to indicate that could be something tournament organizers build into an event's rules - requiring or prohibiting builds of specific threat levels.

So...some interesting ideas, here.

And that's how FFG definitively make me quit I guess.

I was going back into x wing after a year of not playing (moving to another city, not finding the good atmosphere I had in the last club). But now I see that. Since I had to bought everything to get people playing, I would Have to buy like at least 2 of each boxes and again a new core box because FFG is being greedy again (sorry, but a 50 the box with not everything you need for a faction in it is beeing greedy in my book, if some want to be delusionnal about it it's their problem). Also, when you look at how much Xs and ties stuff your have in upgrade box (or half upgrade should I say), it is clearly done on purpose.

Shame since the gameplay changes looks good ( while the art look like ****). I don't like to have the force thing either personnally, but too soon to judge I guess.

Curious to see if it will kill the game or rebirth it.

Either way FFG is like "thanks for all that money so far, now you pay again or you go **** yourself with some decimator up your ***"

And if someone play the dumb one, telling me I can keep playing 1.0, he or she is more dumb than he / she looks since there won't be update, that people who play 2.0 won't bother playing with 1.0 and that tournament will be closes to us. So keep this **** speech for youself, you'll be nice.

38 minutes ago, xanderf said:

1. Splitting all ships (even those with 80-degree arcs) into 180-degree sections for 'reinforce' to work (it's now available much more widely than it was before - many large ships seem to have it)
2. Barrel roll was changed. The maneuver templates all have a line down their center - you line up the template with the white line on the ship base token before moving (IE., you no longer slide it up and down to find the perfect spot, there is only a single option).

...at least, that's what we can tell so far. There may be other uses, we don't really know yet.

The lines in the front and back will give you more precise measurements for bumps. It'll be especially handy when trying to map out bumps on a 1-turn.

There's also potential for future upgrades and pilot abilities that reward players who line up shot against the rear and side arcs.

Based on the video, it seems like 1: They aren't using the bulls-eye arcs. 2: The bulls-eye arcs are only a range 1 thing?

Do we know how those work yet?

All these people complaining about the conversion packs...

You understand FFG is a business right? They could have NOT released such packs and instead force you to buy new expansions.

Seriously, stop complaining. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

1 minute ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

All these people complaining about the conversion packs...

You understand FFG is a business right? They could have NOT released such packs and instead force you to buy new expansions.

Seriously, stop complaining. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

You are asking people to buy something they already bought. It isn't going to sit well with quite a few people. Myself, getting cardboard I can't use instead of more pretty models is something I am having to swallow.

33 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:

Can someone explain these? Are they just pre-made builds for the starter set? Or do these pilots always have to take these upgrades (That can't be... can it?)

These are threat levels. Used for Quick/Casual play if you haven't access to the online squad lists or no time to build one.

The one thing I’m bothered by is making the upgrade cards bigger. I liked the mini card size. It reduced table clutter and made the pilot v upgrade cards distinctive.

Everything else looks great though.

Guys, guys, guys.

The Y-wing has a red barrel roll!

5 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

You are asking people to buy something they already bought. It isn't going to sit well with quite a few people. Myself, getting cardboard I can't use instead of more pretty models is something I am having to swallow.

Jeez... how do they handle buying groceries every week. I mean, they’d bought food last week and now they’ve got to buy it again!? The injustice!

Seriously though, hobbies such as this can be expensive. And like I said, no one is being forced to buy anything. You’re perfectly able to proxy or continue to play first ed if you wish. It’s only if you’re into organised play you’ll need to convert.

People are acting as if FFG is holding a blaster to their head and demanding they buy their product.

I'm now predicting that HLC will be Bullseye Arc only.

15 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

All these people complaining about the conversion packs...

You understand FFG is a business right? They could have NOT released such packs and instead force you to buy new expansions.

Seriously, stop complaining. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

Lol genius. So since they are a business please explain, why don't they sell them for 200$ each?

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Me. I have over 500 models in the game. I just got royally f**ked.

Would you have to get a new kit for each one or only the amount you normally use at a time?..like you own 10 xwings but only play a max of 5

Medium bases!!!!! Yahoo!!!

5 minutes ago, haritos said:

Lol genius. So since they are a business please explain, why don't they sell them for 200$ each?

And give all the cardboard needed for all factions in one box?

Because $200 is a big lump sum that's difficult to afford in one go. That's why they broke it up into $50 faction packs. If you want to run a 10 tie swarm, that's a core set and 2 conversion kits, or that's 3 core sets and 1 conversion kit.