So the new Optimized Prototype reads :

" Once per round, when performing a primary weapon attack, you may spend 1 die result to remove 1 shield from the defender."

Is there any knowledge on when "spending a die result" occurs ? It is not cancellation so not during the "Modify attack dice" step.

I 'm wondering if it may counter LWF.

From the Resistance Bomber rules insert.

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Some card abilities allow dice results to be spent. After a result is spent, the die containing it is removed from the rolled dice. A removed die is no longer part of the roll and does not contribute any other effects. Spending dice results is not a dice modification.

When attacking or defending, dice results are spent during the "Modify Dice" step unless specified otherwise. For other effects, the time at which the die result is spent is specified by the source of the ability.

So yes, this should reduce the number of attack dice for light weight frame.

It is during the attackers modify dice step. "Spending a die" is dice modification.

Per the BSF17 rules, it happens during the relevant Modify Dice step.

Unfortuantely, due to the wooly wording FFG are known for, OP doesn't specify that the result has to be *yours*, so unless the rulebook (either this one or the BSF which I don't own) specifies that, it could be argued that RAW< it lets you spend an evade die result

So yes, assuming you use it RAI to spend an attack die result, it happens well before defence dice are rolled and can potentially block the use of LWF.

It also happens at the same timing as AC, which means you could spend a result then AC back up to two.

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Unfortuantely, due to the wooly wording FFG are known for, OP doesn't specify that the result has to be *yours*, so unless the rulebook (either this one or the BSF which I don't own) specifies that, it could be argued that RAW< it lets you spend an evade die result

I see what you are saying, but if you spend an evade result, you would remove the shield from yourself as you are the defender at that point. Other than Quickdraw (who can't even take this card), why would you want to do this?

How could you spend an evade die to activate optimized protocols? It only works while attacking, and is triggered before any defense dice are rolled. Therefore no dice exist for this ability except for attack dice.

5 minutes ago, Jimbawa said:

How could you spend an evade die to activate optimized protocols? It only works while attacking, and is triggered before any defense dice are rolled. Therefore no dice exist for this ability except for attack dice.

Its an argument based on the missing "you" or "you are" in the wording of the first sentence. IE.. "When you are performing a primary attack..." It leads it a little open for some to say it can be interpreted that you can use it on defense, but unless I am missing a combo or pilot with imperial ships, I do not see any point of doing this. Ergo, the reason they didn't feel the need to be so exact.

It's there though. The clause set apart by commas is freely movable within the sentence and doesn't change the meaning of said sentence. For all intents and purposes, it just as much reads "Once per turn you may, when performing a primary attack, spend 1 die result to remove 1 shield from the defender."

Thanks guys.

Just now, Jimbawa said:

It's there though. The clause set apart by commas is freely movable within the sentence and doesn't change the meaning of said sentence. For all intents and purposes, it just as much reads "Once per turn you may, when performing a primary attack, spend 1 die result to remove 1 shield from the defender."

I hear ya and I agree... but sometimes people focus on what's missing from the wording and don't pay attention to what the card actually says. Sometimes there is a case to be made, but others you just spend have to nod, say "good point" and move on. LOL

No, thespaceinvader is saying that according to the way the card is written, you could wait until the defender has rolled their dice, then spend one of their evade results to remove one of their shields. The condition card does not specify that you must spend your own die to trigger the effect, only that you do it while you are performing a primary weapon attack.

1 hour ago, Jimbawa said:

How could you spend an evade die to activate optimized protocols? It only works while attacking, and is triggered before any defense dice are rolled. Therefore no dice exist for this ability except for attack dice.

Where does it say it triggers before the evade dice are rolled.

When attacking, you may spend a result.

It doesn't say it has to be a red result...

joeshmoe found the pertaining rules from the resistance bomber insert. It triggers when you attack and should occur during the "modify attack dice" step. Since no green dice have been rolled by then, there's no green dice to spend. Not to mention when have you ever been able to spend something your opponent owns? I don't think there's specific rules to call that out, but I'm pretty sure it's generally accepted it would be silly if you could spend your opponents focus/target lock/anything else for your own use.

Edit: I get what you're saying that it isn't called out as an attack mod and could be a modify defense dice mod, but again, when has x wing ever let you spend something that wasn't yours?

The quote from Joe would also indicate that since the ability is a "when attacking..." effect, it triggers during the modify attack dice step. But that's as close as I can see to a specific call out to timing.

Never.

I'm not saying it's supposed to work that way, I'm saying the wording is bad and dumb and who cares because 2.0.