https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/26/admirals-orders/
No one is gonna talk about this?
Also the lists seem pretty decent, I especially like the Raddus 75 + 80L list. However, most of those images are wrong. Theres a Tie D in the one for Ciena and Valen
Also his guppy is gorgeous. He seems very proud of it. =)
Edited by Blail BlergAlso: " At an event with top-level competition like the World Championships, players will always gravitate toward whatever they perceive gives them the strongest chances of winning. Currently, the lists that fit that description are large-ship centric and squadron-focused lists . The ability to manipulate initiative and activation order with cards like Strategic Advisor, Bail Organa, and Governor Pryce has reduced the prevalence of the lists with multiple small units and large numbers of activations that dominated tournaments for so long."
Hmmmmm. Where have I heard that before?
And once again FFG cannot get their images right...
The squadrons are supposed to be Valen Rudor and Ciena Ree, Great combo but last I checked Ciena flew an Interceptor. Also one of those ISD are supposed to be an ISD II, pretty sure neither of the cards are ISD II cards.
Nice to have an article anyway...
4 minutes ago, Thrindal said:And once again FFG cannot get their images right...
The squadrons are supposed to be Valen Rudor and Ciena Ree, Great combo but last I checked Ciena flew an Interceptor. Also one of those ISD are supposed to be an ISD II, pretty sure neither of the cards are ISD II cards.
Nice to have an article anyway...
I'll forgive the ISD cards but the defender is pretty out there. Not having the right pictures of cardboard is understandable but the department just doesn't seem to understand what the models are and that's rough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ whatever at least it's something
Plot twist: FFG Announces at the Hyperspace report that Ciena in in a defender now, and retaining the same point cost and abilities. We just weren't ready....
15 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:Also: " At an event with top-level competition like the World Championships, players will always gravitate toward whatever they perceive gives them the strongest chances of winning. Currently, the lists that fit that description are large-ship centric and squadron-focused lists . The ability to manipulate initiative and activation order with cards like Strategic Advisor, Bail Organa, and Governor Pryce has reduced the prevalence of the lists with multiple small units and large numbers of activations that dominated tournaments for so long."
Hmmmmm. Where have I heard that before?
This is wildly different from the previous WC lists. In fact, from what I can tell every World Championship list since the release of Flotillas would be illegal for the World Championship thanks to the new Flotilla cap. Last year, no fleets in the top 8 of the World Championship would be legal for replaying this year, and only 2 top 8 fleets from the European Championships would be legal for play.
We're in a much better place now, i can't wait to see what shakes out into the top at Worlds.
26 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:Also: " At an event with top-level competition like the World Championships, players will always gravitate toward whatever they perceive gives them the strongest chances of winning. Currently, the lists that fit that description are large-ship centric and squadron-focused lists . The ability to manipulate initiative and activation order with cards like Strategic Advisor, Bail Organa, and Governor Pryce has reduced the prevalence of the lists with multiple small units and large numbers of activations that dominated tournaments for so long."
Hmmmmm. Where have I heard that before?
I would say flotillas had a bigger impact.
1 hour ago, Blail Blerg said:Also: " At an event with top-level competition like the World Championships, players will always gravitate toward whatever they perceive gives them the strongest chances of winning . Currently, the lists that fit that description are large-ship centric and squadron-focused lists .
Fixed it for you
2 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:Plot twist: FFG Announces at the Hyperspace report that Ciena in in a defender now, and retaining the same point cost and abilities. We just weren't ready....
56 minutes ago, Syleh Forge said:Fixed it for you
Never said that this wasn’t the case.
Not an or statement yknow gotcha
6 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:
No one is gonna talk about this?
Also the Rebel list includes an MC-80 Battle Cruiser (winged Liberty-type), but the image shows a wingless Hone One-type...
Overall some interesting lists, though I'd be inclined to put Raddus on the Mon Karren and find points for Engine Techs. That way you can drop Profundity + the Hammerhead in prime block and double arc location, while the MC80 Liberty gets out of the way.
I'll be honest, I like none of them. They all have an unpolished feel reminiscent of lists assembled on the fly, not precisely honed killing machines. And that's before that every one of those images has at least one error, most of them egregious.
42 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:I'll be honest, I like none of them. They all have an unpolished feel reminiscent of lists assembled on the fly, not precisely honed killing machines. And that's before that every one of those images has at least one error, most of them egregious.
Would you say the same if all the lists had 134 points of squadrons? I have a feeling non squadron maxed fleets are viewed as bad
1 minute ago, Sybreed said:Would you say the same if all the lists had 134 points of squadrons? I have a feeling non squadron maxed fleets are viewed as bad
That's largely pre-nerf thinking, I'd say (and even then, big heavy fleets did fine in a few events in wave 7 before the nerf). Max squad fleets have a much larger glass jaw nowadays and light/no squad fleets seem to be making up lost ground there. It's making some people cranky , but it's good.
1 hour ago, Sybreed said:Would you say the same if all the lists had 134 points of squadrons? I have a feeling non squadron maxed fleets are viewed as bad
Knowing @GiledPallaeon , I'd say it's because (these are all my opinions of his potential opinions)
1) Rebel fleet seems scattered, and the 28 points in z95s could be more/better upgrades on other ships. Heck, take 14 and keep 2 z95s
2) the ISDs are not identical, this is his issue here.
3) Thrawn on a Vic1 with Warlord and MS-1s over leading shots on the 2? Oof. Also no Tua on either Vic? OOF.
@GiledPallaeon , how right was I of understanding your brain?
Yeah point 3 is pretty weird I agree
4 hours ago, Sybreed said:Would you say the same if all the lists had 134 points of squadrons? I have a feeling non squadron maxed fleets are viewed as bad
If they were built as sloppily as these three, probably. I'll admit I'm not actively a fan of the squadron builds in any of the three, but they are only parts of my issue
2 hours ago, geek19 said:Knowing @GiledPallaeon , I'd say it's because (these are all my opinions of his potential opinions)
1) Rebel fleet seems scattered, and the 28 points in z95s could be more/better upgrades on other ships. Heck, take 14 and keep 2 z95s
More or less. IMO, the Lib isn't the best Raddus drop, it is agile enough with ET it can get where you want to go anyway, so the drop ships should be the 75, which gives you the additional flexibility of the Profundity drop reaching out even farther and causing even more havoc. Also drop Mon Karren and probably two of the Zs to buy yourself some real firepower on the Lib . Spinals, XI7, that one shot needs to hit like a ton bricks. Build like it. If you're using C&S, Leading Shots is a waste because you'll only ever use it on two reds from a side arc shot you don't want to be able to take, because that means your side CAN GET SHOT.
I'll also note this has the most egregious error in the image of all three, that being the HMC80 over the LMC80.
2 hours ago, geek19 said:2) the ISDs are not identical, this is his issue here.
That's the TL;DR, yeah. So the usual argument goes that dual ISDs, in order to be efficient, have to be able to cover all engagement angles. Here's the problem with that: in order for them to be efficient they need to operate as a unit. Dissimilar ISDs end up flying in different directions. It creates a maneuvering schwerpunkt/shatterpoint/critical point, whichever term you want, that tells the other guy how your ships should, before accounting for your actions, be flying relative to each other. That's a problem. Dual ISDs work a lot better when they're harder to predict, and rather than a wombo combo that can be interrupted, just a moving wall of dice and death and devastation. More specifically, singleton Intel Officer? "Aggressive" initiative bid of 11? BTA Kuat? I like the EWS choice, I believe it's the correct one here, and Ciena/Valen is standard, if uninspiring and prone to being outmaneuvered.
Image errors: I'm pretty sure the original ISD is a 1, but I ain't straining my eyes to give FFG the benefit of the doubt. And Ciena in a Defender would be fun if she kept the scatter, but I'll also note a Defender has no Counter, so irritating, but far from auto-OP.
2 hours ago, geek19 said:3) Thrawn on a Vic1 with Warlord and MS-1s over leading shots on the 2? Oof. Also no Tua on either Vic? OOF.
@GiledPallaeon , how right was I of understanding your brain?
Yeah, what Geek said. V-2s are the current standard for a reason. Pryce doesn't buy you a lot here; the Vic isn't hyper lethal in that last shot role, though I won't deny knowing you'll have two DCaps shots is pleasant. Why in God's name is Thrawn NOT on a ship with Minister Tua, and what got into him to thinking that QTCs on a 1 would work out to be worth ten points? Did he lose a bet? On a 2, I'd still think it was suboptimal, but at least there's a decent chance of using it more than once a blue moon. Demo built that way is fine, and the squad ball is a thing, but it'll be vaporized under real resistance, and even Tycho and Shara will make a serious dent.
Big image error: I see five squads, short at least one, and those aren't the dials for the appropriate aces.
Don’t like that dual isd list. If you have Vader why not a cymoon?