Not sure how I feel about the anime style. My wife and I are planning to give it a shot, especially if they build up Kylo Ren as powerful.
Star Wars: Resistance (The next animated series)
27 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:Not sure how I feel about the anime style. My wife and I are planning to give it a shot, especially if they build up Kylo Ren as powerful.
This is something that always puzzles me, the idea that Kylo isn't powerful. On what scale? I mean, who are we using as a measuring stick for this? He's able to freeze energy blasts in place (possibly in time?) for long periods of...well time, keep them there while carrying on a conversation for several minutes, then let it go flying to it's original trajectory, with all it's initial speed and energy.
He's able to forcibly read minds and gather very specific information out of them, like specific enough to be used for tracking purposes, not vague plot details that don't really lead anywhere.
He's capable of taking a bowcaster bolt to the stomach, NOT get tossed back 30 feet from it and explode (like everyone else hit by that thing), and continue on, including being able to fight 2 people in a lightsaber duel back to back, defeating one, and only succumbing to the second due to his increasing injuries, and her finally using the same power that he had been using for a long time.
He's capable of keeping his mind clear enough to trick his master into thinking he's not about to cut him in half, while doing it remotely with his mind powers to telekinetically do it. So he's independently doing 2 things mentally there. Clouding his true intentions from someone actively reading his mind, AND also using the same brain to direct a Move action to kill someone at a distance with Force powers.
I don't know how anyone could look at that list of things and say he's not powerful. He's cunning, devious, capable of lateral thinking to accomplish his goals, and also capable of beating the crap out of those who oppose him when all other tricks fail. That's hardly a milktoast kind of guy
35 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:True, but we all have our "bridge too far" when it comes to the suspension-bridge of disbelief
I've always tried to curb that part of my brain when watching things, and remember that the Rule of Cool trumps logic 9/10 times, but I usually can't ignore it when they ignore their own establishing rules for said Rule of Cool.
The example I always use is, let's say a film is based on Mars, and they take screentime to establish how things are lighter than normal for the protagonist, and the character revels in their newfound strength, picking up things previously beyond their limits. Then, at the climax of the film, we see them desperately trying to lift their love interest (likely a woman wearing next to nothing, who only weighs 100+lbs IRL, and thus only 30ishlbs on Mars), but is unable to lift her up, due to apparently a sudden case of Earth Gravity or whatever. THOSE kind of logic bombs are where I just say "No sir! Nope! I call shenanigans! Good day to you!!" And flounce out of the room in a huff.
Though having worked with Veterans' Affairs for 10 years, I am very aware that people with military backgrounds, have a low tolerance for getting military stuff wrong. Like ribbons on their uniform being completely wrong, not moving in proper military advancement columns, etc. It makes me chuckle to hear some of my co-workers ranting the next day at work, about how some film just totally messed up this military thing or whatnot.
I had a roommate who was a military buff that would do that to a degree. Fortunately, he could often turn that part of his brain off.
Me? My big one is the early 90s Scott Bakula “comedy” Necessary Roughness. It was filmed at the college I attended at the time, and - despite understanding the “why” of doing it - I just couldn’t get past the changes made to the campus in terms of layout and function of some of the locations. I just couldn’t unsee places that I used every day.
Edited by Nytwyng12 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:I had a roommate who was a military buff that would do that to a degree. Fortunately, he could often turn that part of his brain off.
Me? My big one is the early 90s Scott Bakula “comedy” Necessary Roughness. It was filmed at the college I attended at the time, and - despite understanding the “why” of doing it - I just couldn’t get past the changes made to the campus in terms of layout and function of some of the locations. I just couldn’t unsee places that I used every day.
Hehe, yeah I can understand that. That was a fun movie and I'm not even a fan of football. Scott Bakula helps make just about anything better IMO.
Yeah. Seeing him round the corner of a building and be on the other side of campus, or seeing them going to class in the admin building (with camera angles nicely hiding the teller windows of the bursar’s office)...it shouldn’t have bugged me as much as it did, but...there ya go.
It was fun for what it was (and also not a football fan). During filming, Kathy Ireland sat in on a friend’s video production class. He had no idea who she was.
9 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:During filming, Kathy Ireland sat in on a friend’s video production class. He had no idea who she was.
That's not surprising
1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:This is something that always puzzles me, the idea that Kylo isn't powerful. On what scale? I mean, who are we using as a measuring stick for this? He's able to freeze energy blasts in place (possibly in time?) for long periods of...well time, keep them there while carrying on a conversation for several minutes, then let it go flying to it's original trajectory, with all it's initial speed and energy.
He's able to forcibly read minds and gather very specific information out of them, like specific enough to be used for tracking purposes, not vague plot details that don't really lead anywhere.
He's capable of taking a bowcaster bolt to the stomach, NOT get tossed back 30 feet from it and explode (like everyone else hit by that thing), and continue on, including being able to fight 2 people in a lightsaber duel back to back, defeating one, and only succumbing to the second due to his increasing injuries, and her finally using the same power that he had been using for a long time.
He's capable of keeping his mind clear enough to trick his master into thinking he's not about to cut him in half, while doing it remotely with his mind powers to telekinetically do it. So he's independently doing 2 things mentally there. Clouding his true intentions from someone actively reading his mind, AND also using the same brain to direct a Move action to kill someone at a distance with Force powers.
I don't know how anyone could look at that list of things and say he's not powerful. He's cunning, devious, capable of lateral thinking to accomplish his goals, and also capable of beating the crap out of those who oppose him when all other tricks fail. That's hardly a milktoast kind of guy
I totally agree! I just want to see more of those things!
That is why I loved Vader in Rebels and is in the recent Marvel Comics (Vader down is a new personal trade paperback favorite). Before these recent events Vader had jobbed a little bit (Dark Horse: Clone Wars trade Vol 9 and Force Unleashed). To see him given the just do and expanded upon was awesome.
My hope is that Resistance does these things for Kylo instead of given the Grievous treatment from TCW.
14 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:I totally agree! I just want to see more of those things!
That is why I loved Vader in Rebels and is in the recent Marvel Comics (Vader down is a new personal trade paperback favorite). Before these recent events Vader had jobbed a little bit (Dark Horse: Clone Wars trade Vol 9 and Force Unleashed). To see him given the just do and expanded upon was awesome.
My hope is that Resistance does these things for Kylo instead of given the Grievous treatment from TCW.
Now that being said, I do think Kylo is something of a whiny dweeb, but that's on purpose, and I'm fine with that. He's powerful yes, but it's a powerful, whiny dweeb.
7 hours ago, Swordbreaker said:I mainly remember some of the dumb battles from the Clone Wars. One particular battle where a group of clone troopers had to hold a defensive position against an oncoming force of droids, and the writer's idea of 'defensive position' was to have the clones stand practically shoulder-to-shoulder in a line out in the open and shoot at the droids. It doesn't require a lifetime in military service to apply basic common sense.
To be fair, that's not a trait that's exclusive to Star Wars. It's common enough that it has it's own trope page . I mean the (incoming Infinity War discussion)
The Battle of Wakanda was pretty much "Everyone form a straight defensive line against the incoming Zerg Rush" - and this is despite having pretty extensive air support established in Black Panther.
So yeah, it's all over the place.
Edited by DesslokSoooooo we used a title/concept with a synonym for the word rebels and are making another series about the same thing essentially?......I like Fioni and while I'm sure he'll do a decent job, I find the concept very flaccid and uninspiring.
1 hour ago, Desslok said:To be fair, that's not a trait that's exclusive to Star Wars. It's common enough that it has it's own trope page . I mean the (incoming Infinity War discussion)
The Battle of Wakanda was pretty much "Everyone form a straight defensive line against the incoming Zerg Rush" - and this is despite having pretty extensive air support established in Black Panther.
So yeah, it's all over the place.
I mean, I know that, but I don't have to like it.
This is probably neither here nor there, but I'd kill for a Star Wars series animated in the style of Peter Chung of Aeon Flux. 1313-inspired would probably work best.
2 hours ago, 2P51 said:Soooooo we used a title/concept with a synonym for the word rebels and are making another series about the same thing essentially?......I like Fioni and while I'm sure he'll do a decent job, I find the concept very flaccid and uninspiring.
Why would it be the same thing? Unless it's set on Lothal with a Force sensitive street rat who gets picked up by a mentor with a dubious past he's trying to flee from...
Star Wars has a tendency to repeat, but it doesn't have to rhyme. Kotor was about a band of scoundrels in a "fastest ship in the galaxy", and yet was entirely different on every level. I think there's plenty of room within the concepts for something new. And Filoni knows better than to rehash...I hope...
The only thing I'm not jazzed about is the animation style. I love background detail, and grand sweeping one-shots, which TCW (and the prequels) had in spades. Rebels couldn't get there, though they were clever with what they had to work with. This minimalist thing isn't my cup of tea, and frankly in the end I think it's going to kill the brand, but if the story is good I'll still watch.
4 hours ago, whafrog said:Why would it be the same thing? Unless it's set on Lothal with a Force sensitive street rat who gets picked up by a mentor with a dubious past he's trying to flee from...
Star Wars has a tendency to repeat, but it doesn't have to rhyme. Kotor was about a band of scoundrels in a "fastest ship in the galaxy", and yet was entirely different on every level. I think there's plenty of room within the concepts for something new. And Filoni knows better than to rehash...I hope...
The only thing I'm not jazzed about is the animation style. I love background detail, and grand sweeping one-shots, which TCW (and the prequels) had in spades. Rebels couldn't get there, though they were clever with what they had to work with. This minimalist thing isn't my cup of tea, and frankly in the end I think it's going to kill the brand, but if the story is good I'll still watch.
Another storyline about a small force going after the space facist regime sounds completely recycled to me. I like Fioni, but the basic idea sounds dull to me, maybe not to some, to each their own, but I find it completely uninspiring.
9 hours ago, Desslok said:To be fair, that's not a trait that's exclusive to Star Wars. It's common enough that it has it's own trope page . I mean the (incoming Infinity War discussion)
The Battle of Wakanda was pretty much "Everyone form a straight defensive line against the incoming Zerg Rush" - and this is despite having pretty extensive air support established in Black Panther.
So yeah, it's all over the place.
It's even worse on TV shows... Like the 4-parter crossover Crisis on Earth-X, with the bad guys with automatic weapons letting people walk up to them, or them walk up to the "heroes" and get beaten down in melee, even though they could have just gunned them down from 30 feet away and moved on.
Or the continued trope of masses of bad guys that take their turn with the hero rather than just swarming him and overwhelming the "hero" with shear numbers (think Avengers: Age of Ultron).
I don't like Filoni at all. Seriously, if it didn't compromise the book, I'd rip his worthless foreword out of Dawn of Rebellion. Prepare yourself for a bland mix of re-hashed stereotypes, flat characters, and retconning of random canon characters. On the bright side, this project keeps the brand alive and keeps Filoni occupied and as far away from the live action shows as possible.
Edited by OriginalDomingo21 hours ago, whafrog said:Why would it be the same thing? Unless it's set on Lothal with a Force sensitive street rat who gets picked up by a mentor with a dubious past he's trying to flee from...
Star Wars has a tendency to repeat, but it doesn't have to rhyme. Kotor was about a band of scoundrels in a "fastest ship in the galaxy", and yet was entirely different on every level. I think there's plenty of room within the concepts for something new. And Filoni knows better than to rehash...I hope...
The only thing I'm not jazzed about is the animation style. I love background detail, and grand sweeping one-shots, which TCW (and the prequels) had in spades. Rebels couldn't get there, though they were clever with what they had to work with. This minimalist thing isn't my cup of tea, and frankly in the end I think it's going to kill the brand, but if the story is good I'll still watch.
To be fair TCW’s budget was much larger than the Rebels budget. Lucas was interested in pushing the technology, Disney not so much.
16 hours ago, 2P51 said:Another storyline about a small force going after the space facist regime sounds completely recycled to me. I like Fioni, but the basic idea sounds dull to me, maybe not to some, to each their own, but I find it completely uninspiring.
Except that the time frame for this new series has the New Republic firmly in power and the First Order as an “insurgency”, not a dominant power or “regime”.
20 hours ago, 2P51 said:Another storyline about a small force going after the space facist regime sounds completely recycled to me. I like Fioni, but the basic idea sounds dull to me, maybe not to some, to each their own, but I find it completely uninspiring.
To be fair, we know hardly anything about the details of this series.
If I were to sum up Rebels, I would say that it's about a Jedi survivor and his Padawan learning the deeper mysteries of the Force, and the role they played in the early Galactic Civil War. From what we've been told, Resistance is more about Starfighter pilots. I expect we'll see more of a "band of brothers" military vibe, than the family feel of the Ghost crew.
It would be like saying Dunkirk is a "recycling" of Inglourious Basterds just because they both take place during World War II.
Hopefully a certain someone will have the guts to actually let Ahsoka and Ezra die, so that Luke is finally the "last of the Jedi."
41 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:Hopefully a certain someone will have the guts to actually let Ahsoka and Ezra die, so that Luke is finally the "last of the Jedi."
Good point. To build off this a bit, Resistance has the potential to rebuild Luke after the debacle of his showing in the Last Jedi. I hope we get some great moments from Luke if he is in it.
On 4/26/2018 at 11:47 PM, whafrog said:I don't really care what it is, if Filoni's at the helm I will gladly jump on board.
I am, unfortunately, the polar opposite of that
Anything that Filoni touches is crap in my experience :/
4 hours ago, DaverWattra said:Hopefully a certain someone will have the guts to actually let Ahsoka and Ezra die, so that Luke is finally the "last of the Jedi."
Ahsoka is not a Jedi anyway and Ezra would be a little older than Luke at that point.
3 hours ago, Sincereagape said:Good point. To build off this a bit, Resistance has the potential to rebuild Luke after the debacle of his showing in the Last Jedi. I hope we get some great moments from Luke if he is in it.
It's possible, of course. Unfortunately, since it bridges the gap between OT and NewNewT, Luke would at this point in time be full-on sliding into his depression. So I guess the best we could expect is a better explanation of how he gets there - which would be fine by me because I have really no problems with broken heroes that didn't get their well-deserved happily-ever-after.
Since it doesn’t even have an announced title yet, this seems as good a place as any to note that Jon Favreau has announced that his live action series will be set 7 years after RotJ.
16 hours ago, Nytwyng said:Since it doesn’t even have an announced title yet, this seems as good a place as any to note that Jon Favreau has announced that his live action series will be set 7 years after RotJ.
Actually, in the original interview (which I actually saw) he said it was seven years after the Battle of Yavin .
Clarification of Jon Favereau Red Carpet Interview
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