If the Ogre is not a creature, why have the creature symbol on its banner?

It's probably NOT a creature. The banner shape is not like other creatures'. The symbol is probably due to its unique weapon (not shared among units like normal weapons). If it's a creature though... creature special rules will apply. It can't be supported, auto-bold, trampling, out-of-section ordering, etc. Can be confusing...

I think it's a case of wait-and-see.

I think the ogres are another way of "breaking" the original creature rules, like FFG has done with the modular hydra and the mobility/breath of the dragonsyou'd want to make them tougher than standard red infantry (which I think will come through the "Frenzy" ability), but because of that they'll need to cost more as well. By making them a creature, they still cost a spot on the Lore Council to field (and if there are two units, I'm wondering if 1 creature selection lets you field both units), but they'll otherwise behave like a standard infantry unit (plus their special ability).

Unless there is a mistake on the card image (and I don't think there is), they are definitely "Creatures". Hopefully the implications of being treated as a red infantry unit are detailed (are they able to be supported, do they trample, etc.), and I expect that they will be. Like bcwMD posted, another Creature unit that expands the ruleset. Looking forward to seeing these on the board...

going to need a new rulebook..."This is the basic creature" rulebook and this is the "this creature breaks these rules" rulebook soon!!

It's funny to think how many perplexities could be avoided by a simple naming convention: create a new category, say, "Monstrous Unit", and state clearly what it does and what it does not.

If I could add some examples of this, the same could go for some strange decisions made in the last published material, like the revised Creatures rules (which, I believe, where made to simplify and lessen bookkeeping - well, tokenkeeping,m really - in a context where more than one will be seen in a single adventure) and Battlesavvy rules.

For the first one, it may be useful to a distinction between "Stupid Creatures" (Spiders) and "Intelligent Creatures" (Dragons) - easily, one can modify them to suit his needs and have as many Shelobs and Hydras of Lerna as he wants to. Bur perhaps it's a matter of taste.

For Battlesavvy rules, I think the major mistake was to mix a "suggested" way of play with the ruleset governing Heroes-Creatures-Unit Balance; R. Borg, in a thread floating around, suggested to play with the "Strike on Shield etc." even when Battlesavvy wasn't in play, so I wonder, why not separate them with a "Lucky Strike" and a "Battlesavvy" rule, without (apparently) forcing a style of play over the other?

Hmm..I stand corrected..it is NOT a creature unit. Look at the card!! (in particular the bonus strike area)

And the card does say it has 3 units and it is a red infantry unit and NOT a creature.

Enough said!!

Caboose said:

It is a Creature - it just isn't treated like one As affro pointed out, probably better ways to handle the rule set that the designers' desired for the Ogres, and there will need to be a lot of further explanation about when the unit is treated as a foot unit and when it is to be treated as a Creature unit, but that will have to wait for the release of the rulebook.

We often refer to the unit of Ogres a Beast Bands... and other groups of lesser creature types by other names.

Richard Borg

Very much looking forward to future Beast Bands as well

Richard Borg said:

I (and others I am sure) am very happy to see you posting again Richard. I had feared that your perceived absence from the forums may have meant ominous thing for the future of Battllore.

Beast Bands... I like it!

And... just wanna say I agree with Nematode! Good to see you around again, Richard!

ditto! what they said.

The Creature reference card also helps, it clearly states what a Creature is:

- A single figure per unit that is neither Foot, nor Mounted.

It doesn't have a single figure per unit therefor regular creature rules do not apply, no need to make new rules, they already counted on this way back!