Card in question from new renegades xpac
Question: If I take one damage, do I get to change all of my focus to crits for the rest of the turn? Or only for the current attack? (my guess is only the current attack)
So it would not affect both TLT shots? Or the 2nd shot from a Ghost Turret?
Saw Guerra and TLT (or ghost double tap)
Only for the current dice roll. So, one damage per individual shot of the TLT. Up to four damage a turn for a ghost to mod all the shots. Not a guess, how the rules work; 'when attacking' is a trigger point, which is elaborated to 'during your 'attacker modifies attack dice' step unless a more detailed timing is given'. There's a separate AMAD step for each attack in a PTAT weapon, so you have to trigger him twice, and pay his cost twice.
Gosh. Saw on Miranda with a TLT & harpoons plus other ships carrying Harpoons.
Shot one: take damage to turn a focus to crit, trigger harpoon condition.
Shot two: recover shield damage taken from shot one.
34 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:Shot one: take damage to turn a focus to crit, trigger harpoon condition.
It is not a focus... it is all focus... so no one get confuse
1 hour ago, jwilliamson12 said:Gosh. Saw on Miranda with a TLT & harpoons plus other ships carrying Harpoons.
Shot one: take damage to turn a focus to crit, trigger harpoon condition.
Shot two: recover shield damage taken from shot one.
Sadly the TLT will never ever crit. Even if you get an uncanceled crit through with it, it counts as a hit the defender takes 1 non crit damage and then cancels all other results.
Just now, Avactus said:Sadly the TLT will never ever crit. Even if you get an uncanceled crit through with it, it counts as a hit the defender takes 1 non crit damage and then cancels all other results.
It still triggers the harpoon condition as an uncancelled crit, according to the most recent FAQ.
Just now, jwilliamson12 said:It still triggers the harpoon condition as an uncancelled crit, according to the most recent FAQ.
That is highly odd. The wording on TLT is pretty clear that it cancels ALL dice results. Therefore there'd be no uncancelled crit in the pool. I'd have to look it up tho. I believe you, just never thought it was an issue before so never looked into it as the wording seemed pretty straightforward and obvious to me. xD
Just now, Avactus said:That is highly odd. The wording on TLT is pretty clear that it cancels ALL dice results. Therefore there'd be no uncancelled crit in the pool. I'd have to look it up tho. I believe you, just never thought it was an issue before so never looked into it as the wording seemed pretty straightforward and obvious to me. xD
There are mixed feeling about it. But it's an uncancelled crit. The harpoon condition only needs there to be an uncancelled crit after the compare results step. Landing a crit result and suffering a crit are two different things.
1 minute ago, jwilliamson12 said:
There are mixed feeling about it. But it's an uncancelled crit. The harpoon condition only needs there to be an uncancelled crit after the compare results step. Landing a crit result and suffering a crit are two different things.
Fair enough. I stand (well, sit) corrected. I'm also coming back from a couple year hiatus from x-wing. I played waves 1-9ish got really burnt with the jumpmaster BS when it was released and took a break. As I am just now coming back . . . so I plead rust.
Just now, Avactus said:Fair enough. I stand (well, sit) corrected. I'm also coming back from a couple year hiatus from x-wing. I played waves 1-9ish got really burnt with the jumpmaster BS when it was released and took a break. As I am just now coming back . . . so I plead rust.
No worries! It was a question that came up right when the Harpoons were introduced late last year. It wasn't addressed formally by FFG until the most recent FAQ in January.
The FAQ make sense according to strict interpretation of the rules... The two triggers when an attack hit. The fact that the result will be cancelled later on does not change the fact that when the attack was deemed a hit, there was a crit result.
It would be impossible or need a really weird wording for the TLT to not have to hit first before cancelling the dice result...
1 hour ago, Avactus said:That is highly odd. The wording on TLT is pretty clear that it cancels ALL dice results. Therefore there'd be no uncancelled crit in the pool. I'd have to look it up tho. I believe you, just never thought it was an issue before so never looked into it as the wording seemed pretty straightforward and obvious to me. xD
It's kind of a zombie: both a thing and it's opposite at the same time.
Here's how I rationalized it: TLT cannot hit unless there is at least one uncancelled crit. So Harpooned! is triggered.
1 hour ago, muribundi said:It would be impossible or need a really weird wording for the TLT to not have to hit first before cancelling the dice result...
It wouldn't be impossible at all even with the cards worded as is. You just add a blanket rule that any game effect that requires an uncanceled result cannot be triggered by an attack that cancels all results.
A better solution though might just be to write Harpooned! differently. "If you suffer a critical damage during an attack" gets you there and is easy to understand.
It's simple:
1) Modify dice roll with Saw (take 1 damage, your eyes becomes criticals)
2) You have a critical damage result from dice roll that surpases defense dices.
3) So you have hit with an uncancelled critical result. Harpoon rules!
4) You applies damage as state on TLT: do 1 damage, then you cancel all dice results.
17 hours ago, Avactus said:Sadly the TLT will never ever crit.
Greedo says hi, or at least he would if someone hadn't shot him first.
1 hour ago, jmswood said:Greedo says hi, or at least he would if someone hadn't shot him first.
Imagine how annoying Greedo on Miranda would be. If it was legal.
1 hour ago, jmswood said:Greedo says hi, or at least he would if someone hadn't shot him first.
18 minutes ago, sharrrp said:Imagine how annoying Greedo on Miranda would be. If it was legal.
Greedo isn’t actually a Crit though, just that the first card os dealt face-up.
6 minutes ago, Innese said:
Greedo isn’t actually a Crit though, just that the first card os dealt face-up.
A distinction without a difference.
7 hours ago, Arachneo said:It's simple:
1) Modify dice roll with Saw (take 1 damage, your eyes becomes criticals)
2) You have a critical damage result from dice roll that surpases defense dices.
3) So you have hit with an uncancelled critical result. Harpoon rules!
4) You applies damage as state on TLT: do 1 damage, then you cancel all dice results.
Exactly this....
"Harpooned!" has a timing trigger... "When you are hit by an attack if there is at least 1 uncanceled critical result, " so you resolve harpoon at that timing step... which is BEFORE TLT cancels the dice because you have to see if the attack even hits before TLT can even do its thing. Now, if Harpoon read... "AFTER you are hit by an attack if there is at least 1 uncanceled critical result, " then you could not use TLT and Harpoon together.
Oh my God guys. jwilliamson12 pointed me in the right direction. I promise, not everyone on the forums needs to now jump in and say literally the same thing over and over and over again. xD We get it. I promise.
4 hours ago, Avactus said:I promise, not everyone on the forums needs to now jump in and say literally the same thing over and over and over again. xD We get it. I promise.
Welcome to the FFG rules forum 
18 hours ago, sharrrp said:A distinction without a difference.
... There is a difference. Suffering a critical damage and being dealt a face up damage are different. As he is written, Greedo can trigger Boba Fett for example, but not Draw Their Fire.
The differences in the distinction continue. The face up from Greedo (remember he points both ways) isn't seen as a crit by IWSYTDS either.