4 hours ago, Jiron said:

When I joined x-wing 2,5 years ago, this was one of my favourite places on the internet. Guides, theories, sharing of experience... this was amazing.

So....what has changed to make this the case? If the game is great now, why aren't people posting all sorts of great threads? Why is it different now? That's a good question to ask.

Also, diplomatically, it's not the best to tell people they are whining. It will usually just create arguments and disagreements than what you want.

5 hours ago, Jiron said:

Guides, theories, sharing of experience... this was amazing.

I used to write guides all the time. Do less of it now since given the state of gameplay there genuinely isn't much left for anyone to discuss. I can't really even breakdown casual lists or matchups anymore either. Every one of the lists below are used with great frequency during both competitive and casual games. For that reason Sharing of Experiences is more often than not just complaining. As for Guides/Theories...if your trying to find the "correct" in game way to approach any of the lists below you likely already made a catastrophic hipster error during list building.

To be specific about why everyone is complaining so much. Lets breakdown this list of lists briefly.

1. Ghost/Fenn - Defense ( Fenn ) + AOE
2. Final Form - Defense ( Regen ) + AOE
3. Miranda/Low/Fenn - Defense ( Fenn, Lowhrick, Regen ) + AOE
4. Howard Aces - Defense ( Palp, Autothrusters )
5. 3x Wookies - Defense ( Lowhrick ) + AOE
6. Dash/Poe - Defense ( Regen, Autothrusters, Point Fortress, Run to Time ) + AOE
7. RAC/SF - Defense ( Blinded Pilot, PS0, Palp ) + AOE
8. Rey/Low - Defense ( Lowhrick, Rey Re-Rolls ) + AOE
9. 4x Wookies - Defense ( Re-Enforce ) + AOE
10. Poe/Low/Fenn - Defense ( Re-Enforce, Fenn, Regen ) + AOE
11. Corran/Low/Fenn - Defense ( Re-Enforce, Fenn, Regen ) + AOE
12. Kylo/Quickdraw - Defense ( Point Fortress, Run to Time )
13. Twin Shadows - Defense ( Lone Wolf, Glitterstim, Latts, Countermeasures, Assaj ) + AOE

If anything...there could be more not less whining about how defense isn't really very well balanced right now.

2 hours ago, SOTL said:

That's a different discussion, though. The game has specifically moved on from forward-only arcs, partly to close the gap between turreted and non-turreted ships.

If you want forward-only ships as your key measure then the best thing you could buy is DeLorean.

Depends again what you mean.

Many of these other ships are virtually turrets with respect to maneuvering against them. And then it‘s not really a different discussion.

Moving away from front arcs is at least partially if not mainly the same as moving away from maneuvering. Again, maneuvering as I defined it here: positioning allowing you to take a shot with out being shot at.

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Depends again what you mean.

Many of these other ships are virtually turrets with respect to maneuvering against them. And then it‘s not really a different discussion.

Moving away from front arcs is at least partially if not mainly the same as moving away from maneuvering. Again, maneuvering as I defined it here: positioning allowing you to take a shot with out being shot at.

Whats interesting is once FFG inevitably adjusts the game a bit to be more about in game maneuvering again...alot of thought is going to have to go into helping players understand that Defensive Turrets are absolutely not the only thing that can defeat a ship that moves last.

10 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Depends again what you mean.

Many of these other ships are virtually turrets with respect to maneuvering against them. And then it‘s not really a different discussion.

Moving away from front arcs is at least partially if not mainly the same as moving away from maneuvering. Again, maneuvering as I defined it here: positioning allowing you to take a shot with out being shot at.

The way I'd put it is this way: In a world where there are more turrets, maneuver matters more for the ships that don't have them, which can certainly seem unfair or frustrating for those that aren't playing turrets. It also seems like it has lessened the effect of the planning phase and hidden dials, which is probably the most unique mechanic in the game and would also be disappointing for those that admire that mechanic.

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Defensive Turrets are absolutely not the only thing that can defeat a ship that moves last.

While that is true, moving last with a hyper-maneuvrable ship (like Soontir, or in this meta Kylo or Dash) does put a lot of the burden of execution on the other guy.

It takes a lot more effort to block Kylo than it takes to not be blocked with Kylo for example.

I'll add that I don't think (or I have hope) any of this will matter after the May 1 announcement.

You think they're cancelling X-Wing?

3 minutes ago, SOTL said:

You think they're cancelling X-Wing?

LOL, nope. I think we'll be seeing either a major update or new version.

8 minutes ago, AlexW said:

I'll add that I don't think (or I have hope) any of this will matter after the May 1 announcement.

Have FFG made a comment there will be a big announcement on May 1st? Or are you cryptically expecting the T-65 spoiler article to be our new savior?

I think he's using the Force.

9 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

While that is true, moving last with a hyper-maneuvrable ship (like Soontir, or in this meta Kylo or Dash) does put a lot of the burden of execution on the other guy.

It takes a lot more effort to block Kylo than it takes to not be blocked with Kylo for example.

Not always

If you have anything that favors ships that move first (ACTION bombs -invluding rigged cargo even if it isn't technically a "bomb"-, snapshot -r3a2, int agent etc) then the burden shifts on your opponent to avoid them

Unless their ship has a turret, in which case they never have to approach you and all your manuevering tech is rendered largely worthless

6 minutes ago, SOTL said:

I think he's using the Force.

Ever watch the movie First Contact? One of my favorite mind blow moments on Cinema history is at the very end. Paraphrase here but the gist is important enough.

"My concern is not that the video is just static... It's that there's 8 hours of it."

My point is not that there's complaining on the forum at all, you'll always have that. My point is that the sheer volume of it is indicative of some serious underlying problems. Trying to shout down complaining when it's justified, as should clearly be evident by the data available, is a fools errand at best.

1 hour ago, heychadwick said:

If the game is great now, why aren't people posting all sorts of great threads?

Yesterday I started a thread about "The Perfect Ship" because I was also tired of all the whining.

Ya know, the power of positive thinking.

It is 24 hours old. It is one page.

This thread is 5 hours old. Already 2 pages.

The Silencer is pretty perfect, though

22 minutes ago, AlexW said:

I'll add that I don't think (or I have hope) any of this will matter after the May 1 announcement.

If you have any evidence of that then please enlighten us. I think it's far far (faaaaaaaaaaar) more likely that it will just be reveals on the remaining Reaper/Saw's cards and the Solo tie in Falcon/Heavy TIE. Also lot and lots and lots of Legion wave 2 hype.

I’m gonna get some cheese to go with this ...

I think the tone and attitude of podcasts spreads throughout the community. About a year ago it started and just went downhill from there. If all podcasts were like Heck* of a Pilot the forums would be in a much better place.

44 minutes ago, Smutpedler said:

Have FFG made a comment there will be a big announcement on May 1st? Or are you cryptically expecting the T-65 spoiler article to be our new savior?

There's a May 1st announcement at World's that they will be streaming.

25 minutes ago, Makaze said:

If you have any evidence of that then please enlighten us. I think it's far far (faaaaaaaaaaar) more likely that it will just be reveals on the remaining Reaper/Saw's cards and the Solo tie in Falcon/Heavy TIE. Also lot and lots and lots of Legion wave 2 hype.

It's less than 10 days to wait, so we'll have to see then. Edit: I'll add that while a "Solo" update is probably coming in some form, it's also a bit tiring....another Falcon kit with 3 pilots we already have? Ugh.

The GUNBOAT may be the most fun ship in the game and it's pretty new. I wish Vynder was 2 points cheaper or one PS higher though.

35 minutes ago, Smutpedler said:

Have FFG made a comment there will be a big announcement on May 1st? Or are you cryptically expecting the T-65 spoiler article to be our new savior?

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/17/the-star-wars-hyperspace-report/

7 minutes ago, AlexW said:

There's a May 1st announcement at World's that they will be streaming.

It's less than 10 days to wait, so we'll have to see then.

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes peeled.

2 hours ago, AlexW said:

It's less than 10 days to wait, so we'll have to see then. Edit: I'll add that while a "Solo" update is probably coming in some form, it's also a bit tiring....another Falcon kit with 3 pilots we already have? Ugh.

Don't get me wrong, I really hope you're right. I just don't see it realistically happening.