Reliably good stuff you can take or use as a foundation to brew your own lists around.

Without being full blown meta copycat.

ISDs are good. Raddus is fun. MC30s are fun.

ISDs, MC75 with Profundity and Raddus.

GR-75 with Toryn Farr and Bright Hope .

CR-90A with Turbolaser Reroute Circuits and Jaina’s Light .

Those two appear in just about every Rebel fleet I build. That includes the following commanders: Ackbar, Dodonna, Leia, Mon Mothma, Riekkan, and Sato. My Raddus fleets have all included that GR-75 build, but not the CR-90.

Demolisher has never stopped performing

Yararis' double tap will never go out of style.

Jerjerrod has also never disappointed in a game where good reactionnary movement is king

VSDs with Tagge

Yavaris Gallant Haven and Biggs

8 hours ago, Norell said:

VSDs with Tagge

Not with Tagge, but VSD-IIs can put out a heck of a lot of damage. They're a lot better than people give them credit for.

26 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

Not with Tagge, but VSD-IIs can put out a heck of a lot of damage. They're a lot better than people give them credit for.

I can double that. Did 10 damage at long range which cant be just overlooked. Well, had to roll 2 double hits, warlord kicked in too...rest came from blue(cf) and IF-ing a blue acc.

New hotness I keep seeing is Skreed, ISD Kuats with fire control team, ACM & HIE.

OR, Raddus dropping an MC75-80 on your head.

2 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

New hotness I keep seeing is Skreed, ISD Kuats with fire control team, ACM & HIE.

OR, Raddus dropping an MC75-80 on your head.

Was interesting me for a while... Worth the points?

Those skreed's kuats shred shields nicely pushing a crapton of damage, leaving nowhere to redirect it. Make sure to add that strategic advisor on one.

tried that build, it worked pretty well. Even the side arcs will do a bunch of damage.

ISDs are still the king of front loading damage.

Ackbar broadsides, for Rebels to have a chance at matching Imperial guns.

I've always been a fan of (rebel) squadrons, but for real, Sloane Aces lists not only are super effective, they are fun to play.

I usually start my lists with one or two ships.. or if I'm bombing a squad ball.

For any serious squad ball I almost always have Biggs and Jan and yt-1300s or gen. x-wings and then build bombers from there. I'm extremely hard pressed to not use Yavaris as the carrier. It's just so good. And then I always think "I should put Norra in here" so she usually makes it since she buffs all my bombers.

For starter ships

mc30 Torpedo OE/APT in an MSU

or

any of the mc80/75 varieties depending on what I'm doing.

Jainas Light TRCR90 usually makes the list as a place for a commander, especially if the only other option is an mc30.

Quite honestly, there are very few.. if any (I'm looking at you Space Whale-A) Rebel ships that I don't see as potential starting points for fleet builds.

14 minutes ago, eliteone said:

I've always been a fan of (rebel) squadrons, but for real, Sloane Aces lists not only are super effective, they are fun to play.

I find it to be super boring to play personally... Super strong but repetitive

8 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Not with Tagge, but VSD-IIs can put out a heck of a lot of damage. They're a lot better than people give them credit for.

The regionals data speaks much louder than generic anecdotal commentary.... it says they are exactly as good as people give them credit for

13 minutes ago, beefcake4000 said:

The regionals data speaks much louder than generic anecdotal commentary.... it says they are exactly as good as people give them credit for

Then show me regionals data that shows that they are sub-par. I know they're not often used and might not see top tables, but if you use data as a claim, I want to see data as evidence.

2 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Then show me regionals data that shows that they are sub-par. I know they're not often used and might not see top tables, but if you use data as a claim, I want to see data as evidence.

5 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Then show me regionals data that shows that they are sub-par. I know they're not often used and might not see top tables, but if you use data as a claim, I want to see data as evidence.

Here you go... 12 regionals winning lists from the current season... wanna guess how many VSDs made it... In fact, I think it's the only ship that wasn't represented in any capacity.

http://d6addiction.blogspot.com.au/

I also think your argument is counter-intuitive... if they aren't often used or seeing the top tables that's data that supports that they are, in fact, crap. It's not like top players are building their lists around fun/fluffy stuff that they just really like the look of.

23 minutes ago, beefcake4000 said:

Here you go... 12 regionals winning lists from the current season... wanna guess how many VSDs made it... In fact, I think it's the only ship that wasn't represented in any capacity.

http://d6addiction.blogspot.com.au/

I also think your argument is counter-intuitive... if they aren't often used or seeing the top tables that's data that supports that they are, in fact, crap. It's not like top players are building their lists around fun/fluffy stuff that they just really like the look of.

Are you only looking at the winners of Regionals? Because by your own data analysis doesn't that say that Garm and Dodonna are the only viable Rebel admirals, with Garm 1/5 as viable as Dodonna? I have 2 fish-based friends that would disagree with that assessment, along with an Undead Zombie General who won't die no matter how hard you kill him. Data of the winner doesn't really tell you much, but top 4 says a lot more than just 12 guys who won a thing, IMO. I don't see any MC75s in the winners, but it's still a very good ship that I as a Rebel would be happy to take.

As for the lists and lack of VSDs, that's in a meta PRE-NERF. The only thing we know POST-nerf is that Tagge won a thing so he's clearly OP (/s). Since you can't just spam Gozantis anymore, VSDs are still decent carriers, and Gunnery Team DCaps VSD-IIs can still put a hurt on a fair amount of ships. Since you "only" need to kill the carriers anymore, the reach on those DCap-IIs might be all you need to turn the tide in the battle against squadrons and all. Vader and HIEs seem like a good combination with them all...

15 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Not with Tagge, but VSD-IIs can put out a heck of a lot of damage. They're a lot better than people give them credit for.

I eas being sarcastic. VSD2 under Jerry with Dcaps and QBTs are great, I just need to figure out a way to pair that firepower with enough activation and fighter screen.

7 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Are you only looking at the winners of Regionals? Because by your own data analysis doesn't that say that Garm and Dodonna are the only viable Rebel admirals, with Garm 1/5 as viable as Dodonna? I have 2 fish-based friends that would disagree with that assessment, along with an Undead Zombie General who won't die no matter how hard you kill him. Data of the winner doesn't really tell you much, but top 4 says a lot more than just 12 guys who won a thing, IMO. I don't see any MC75s in the winners, but it's still a very good ship that I as a Rebel would be happy to take.

As for the lists and lack of VSDs, that's in a meta PRE-NERF. The only thing we know POST-nerf is that Tagge won a thing so he's clearly OP (/s). Since you can't just spam Gozantis anymore, VSDs are still decent carriers, and Gunnery Team DCaps VSD-IIs can still put a hurt on a fair amount of ships. Since you "only" need to kill the carriers anymore, the reach on those DCap-IIs might be all you need to turn the tide in the battle against squadrons and all. Vader and HIEs seem like a good combination with them all...

So 12 winning lists from all over the world with every ship type represented except victories isn't enough data... Sure go find the top 4 lists from all of those comps, it's available if you want to invest the time and let me know how you go...

Alternatively, we can just wait until worlds come and goes so we can get suitably fresh data... personally I've not seen anything post FAQ that boosts VSDs or in any way helps to overcome the reality of how much better the ISD is in every relevant way which usually explains why we don't see the mini triangles at all.

Maybe some people will be eagerly awaiting the horde of VSDs we will no doubt be seeing all over the podium at Worlds but I won't be holding my breath... What I can't wait to hear will be the excuses that will no doubt pop up again when VSDs don't get anywhere (again...) and we need to sit through another round of people who proclaim it's glory in their garage who unfortunately couldn't make it to world's because of X reason which clearly explains why the world's data is just as invalid as the regionals data...

Or we could just build a bridge over this particular circular argument and move on with our lives until something actually does happen that makes them viable.