Rules Reference, page 16:

To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship.

1 hour ago, kraedin said:

Rules Reference, page 16:

To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship.

Thanks for sharing the rules, to be transparent, I am not confused about what is written in the rules documents.(main reason I did not post this topic in the Rules Questions thread) I am confused about what players do and/or find acceptable in common practice.

The intent of this post is to see how others intrpret the range measurement and if I was super isolated in my experiences or if they were in fact, wide spread.

So far, I am seeing a healthy input of players on either side of the range ruler, as it were.

Can I infer by your quoting of the rules that you would be a overlap ruler vs a contact to contact ruler?

For example, in the first pic example, with the orange ruler and the yellow/green ruler, you would say no range, no shot?

To add to the previous answers:

In your first picture, if the orange ruler slides without nudging either ship, then no shot; if the ruler can't slide, it's in range 3 and you can shoot.

It's very tricky to get that right, so you can end up rolling a dice for it. I like to offer the choice to my opponent, because I'm clumsy and tend to nudge ships just trying to get a ruler in at all!

3 hours ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks for sharing the rules, to be transparent, I am not confused about what is written in the rules documents.(main reason I did not post this topic in the Rules Questions thread) I am confused about what players do and/or find acceptable in common practice.

The intent of this post is to see how others intrpret the range measurement and if I was super isolated in my experiences or if they were in fact, wide spread.

So far, I am seeing a healthy input of players on either side of the range ruler, as it were.

Can I infer by your quoting of the rules that you would be a overlap ruler vs a contact to contact ruler?

For example, in the first pic example, with the orange ruler and the yellow/green ruler, you would say no range, no shot?

4 hours ago, kraedin said:

Rules Reference, page 16:

To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship.

If it is possible to slide the ruler between the bases, it isn't over the base of the ship that is firing.

5 hours ago, hawk32 said:

If it is possible to slide the ruler between the bases, it isn't over the base of the ship that is firing.

This is why I use a R1, R2 and R3 ruler set. If you can slide the ruler btn the ships, it isn't at range. OTOH, I assume these are not tourney legal.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

This is why I use a R1, R2 and R3 ruler set. If you can slide the ruler btn the ships, it isn't at range. OTOH, I assume these are not tourney legal.

FFG have made several official sets - as prizes at tournaments. So, you have to be good enough to win some to be able to measure stuff better.

Or be playing someone good enough.

Mind you, even I've won a set so they aren't very hard to get!

11 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

This is why I use a R1, R2 and R3 ruler set. If you can slide the ruler btn the ships, it isn't at range. OTOH, I assume these are not tourney legal.

9 hours ago, Gilarius said:

FFG have made several official sets - as prizes at tournaments. So, you have to be good enough to win some to be able to measure stuff better.

Or be playing someone good enough.

Mind you, even I've won a set so they aren't very hard to get!

3rd party range templates (including R1, R 1-2, R1-3 templates) are legal per the tournament regs :

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Legal Products

Players must use only official Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components in tournament play, with the following exceptions for third-party replacements:

• Non-essential tokens (see “Tokens” on page 9)
• Range rulers that match the dimensions of an official range ruler or a particular section (emphasis mine) of an official range ruler
• Movement templates that match the dimensions of official maneuver templates

Determining the legality of any questionable third-party tokens, range rulers, and movement templates is the marshal’s responsibility.

One other mistake I find people make is saying something is “in”when one corner of the base is touching the opposite corner of the range ruler at an angle. This extends the range ruler ever so slightly but many people don’t realize they’re adding extra distance doing this.

8 minutes ago, AlexW said:

One other mistake I find people make is saying something is “in”when one corner of the base is touching the opposite corner of the range ruler at an angle. This extends the range ruler ever so slightly but many people don’t realize they’re adding extra distance doing this.

True. Would you say you have seen this often?

9 hours ago, Echoseven said:

True. Would you say you have seen this often?

Wouldn’t say I see it a lot in terms of when it makes a difference (maybe once every 10 games or so). But I see it pretty regularly that people check using that angle without double checking the straight line, if that makes sense.

3 hours ago, AlexW said:

Wouldn’t say I see it a lot in terms of when it makes a difference (maybe once every 10 games or so). But I see it pretty regularly that people check using that angle without double checking the straight line, if that makes sense.

Indeed, it does. Thank you for your input!

I’m with Wilder. If it fits between the two ships, it’s not “over” either of them, so it’s out if range.

I usually place the ruler flat on the mat, touching the firing ship, and then see if it will pass by the targetvship or not.

12 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

I’m with Wilder. If it fits between the two ships, it’s not “over” either of them, so it’s out if range.

I usually place the ruler flat on the mat, touching the firing ship, and then see if it will pass by the targetvship or not.

Thanks for the response;

To clarify; do you measure to see if the ruler overlaps both ship bases,

or

just start with the ruler flat on the mat, touching the edge of the firing ship, and check for overlap on the target ship only?

3 hours ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks for the response;

To clarify; do you measure to see if the ruler overlaps both ship bases,

or

just start with the ruler flat on the mat, touching the edge of the firing ship, and check for overlap on the target ship only?

In practice, start by checking to see if the ruler overlaps or not. In 95% of cases, the query ends here, with a YES or NO. In the other 5% of cases, I place the ruler flat between the ships, making sure to hold both ships in place, and making sure that we're actually going closest-to-closest and not cutting that shallow diagonal across the width of the ruler itself. If it lies flat, NO RANGE (or next higher range, for a 1- or 2-ruler); if it doesn't lie flat, YES range.

I've never, not even once, played against someone who doesn't adhere to this method, even if they haven't explicated it quite so starkly, even to themselves.

8 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

I've never, not even once, played against someone who doesn't adhere to this method, even if they haven't explicated it quite so starkly, even to themselves.

I understand you play quite a bit and have been in the game for many years, so a little surprised you have not run into this ever before.

What do you make of the first stream of responses and "likes" on those responses at the start of this thread? Based on those comments it seems like there are a fair amount of other players who use the touch to touch as in method, or am I misreading that?

Just now, Echoseven said:

What do you make of the first stream of responses and "likes" on those responses the start of this thread? Based on those comments it seems like there are a fair amount of other players who use the touch to touch as in method, or do you am I misreading that?

I don't think you are misreading so much as I think some of them are misunderstanding your question. (I do agree that some people seem to simply play incorrectly, though. It happens ... lots of new players entering the game, and it has become an extremely complex rules-set. Without an experienced playgroup to correct misunderstandings of the rules -- clear or a little less clear -- it's easy to make assumptions and settle into them.)

Just now, Jeff Wilder said:

I don't think you are misreading so much as I think some of them are misunderstanding your question. (I do agree that some people seem to simply play incorrectly, though. It happens ... lots of new players entering the game, and it has become an extremely complex rules-set. Without an experienced playgroup to correct misunderstandings of the rules -- clear or a little less clear -- it's easy to make assumptions and settle into them.)

Thanks Jeff,

I hope I did not foul up my "poll" as it were with confused answers. I was hoping the pictures would make it clear, but if anyone who has already responded wishes to change their answers based on what they thought I was asking, please do.

I really do want to hear from as many folks as possible on what they actually do or have seen.

I feel like this is one of the least enforced, but blatantly obvious discrepancies between what the rules say and what players do (intentionally or by accident), that I have seen perpetuated in game play.

5 hours ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks for the response;

To clarify; do you measure to see if the ruler overlaps both ship bases,

or

just start with the ruler flat on the mat, touching the edge of the firing ship, and check for overlap on the target ship only?

The second one.

If it touches one and overlaps the other, i call it range. The infinitesimal amount of movement that would be required to make it physically overlap both is handwaved away.