When you check for close calls on range for attacks, abilities, bombs etc., how do you measure with the range ruler? (assuming any arc and closest point requirements have been established)

Do you:

1.Try and see if there is any contact between your ship and the ship (obstacle, bomb, etc.) you are measuring to

or

2. Always place some portion of the ruler so it overlaps your ships base and see if any portion of the range ruler overlaps the ship base (obstacle, bomb, etc.) you are measuring to

(overlap meaning some part of the base lies UNDER the range ruler)

For example:

The orange range ruler is in contact with both bases.

The florescent green/yellow ruler is placed so it overlaps the base of the A-wing, and thus does not reach the base of the TIE Adv.

Are the ships at Range 3 of each other and thus may take shots?

or

Are they just out of range of each other?

Second example:

The range 2 ruler is in contact with both ship bases.

The full range ruler is placed so a portion of the ruler overlaps each ships base.

Are the ships at range 2 or range 3 of each other?

I was told long ago at a competitive event, when its close enough to get contact, that's good enough to count. I have seen this type of range ruling used many times to determine close calls or just- barely- in- range type of rulings.

But I was recently lead to believe this is not common practice and perhaps my experiences have been isolated incidents. I would really like to know what everyone else has seen/done.

What do you do?

Contact to contact, or overlap only?

Closest point. For example one, they are in range. Example two, they are at Range 2. You may fire when ready.

10 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Closest point. For example one, they are in range. Example two, they are at Range 2. You may fire when ready.

This.

Make sure its in arc when you do closest point, otherwise yes. There are times when the closest point is not actually in arc, so theres not shot.

8 minutes ago, MegaSilver said:

Make sure its in arc when you do closest point, otherwise yes. There are times when the closest point is not actually in arc, so theres not shot.

Thanks MegaSilver, I should have been more specific. I have edit the above to clarify that IN ARC and Closest Point are established.

For the record, you agree with the contact to contact judgment vs the ruler overlapping?

Thanks!

20 minutes ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks MegaSilver, I should have been more specific. I have edit the above to clarify that IN ARC and Closest Point are established.

For the record, you agree with the contact to contact judgment vs the ruler overlapping?

Thanks!

Yes, the others have it ruled it correctly.

To avoid bias, I put the template on the edge of the base and lower it. Same thing I do with ships to check overlap, drop the back in the guides and lower it. Keeps the tiny amount of give from throwing it off.

With my clumsy fingers, I start out with the first example. I measure out side the bases (closest point) just to confirm our guess. (The two players). If it is close, then we both hold each ship and place the rulers inside.

13 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

To avoid bias, I put the template on the edge of the base and lower it. Same thing I do with ships to check overlap, drop the back in the guides and lower it. Keeps the tiny amount of give from throwing it off.

Thank you for responding,

To clarify, after you lower the ruler, would you say you measure from contact to contact (as with the orange ruler above) or do you make sure a portion of the ruler is over/overlapping the base or object you are measuring to? (As with the yellow/green ruler above)

6 minutes ago, Ccwebb said:

With my clumsy fingers, I start out with the first example. I measure out side the bases (closest point) just to confirm our guess. (The two players). If it is close, then we both hold each ship whip place it the rulers inside.

Thanks for responding,

To clarify: when it's close (like the ships in the first picture with the orange ruler and the yellow/green ruler)

Do you place the ruler flat on the mat, touching each base, (like the orange ruler)or do you place the ruler over/on top of/ overlapping the ship base?

Would you say, in the picture, the ships are in range 3 of each other and can attack, or are out of range and can not attack?

I just bump the table, then roll hits/misses to determine if it was or not.

13 minutes ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks for responding,

To clarify: when it's close (like the ships in the first picture with the orange ruler and the yellow/green ruler)

Do you place the ruler flat on the mat, touching each base, (like the orange ruler)or do you place the ruler over/on top of/ overlapping the ship base?

Would you say, in the picture, the ships are in range 3 of each other and can attack, or are out of range and can not attack?

Yes, I start with the yellowish ruler. That is close, looks to be in, but close. So, I’ll set it flat against one ship, usually mine first, then ease the other end towards the opponents ship. If the ships are touching the ruler, then game on! The outer edges of ship and ruler bases are legal, a lot like Soccer, tennis or hockey; anything touching is inbounds.

If the ruler lies flat on the table , between the two ships, there's no range. (This is why R1 and R2 rulers are really handy.) If it won't lie flat between the ships, you've got range.

Also since no one else has mentioned it, for measuring range, nubs on bases do not count but nubs on bomb templates do count.

I've also run into a couple of people arguing that range must be measured to cardboard and not clear plastic bases, that's wrong, it's plastic base to plastic base.

35 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

If the ruler lies flat on the table , between the two ships, there's no range. (This is why R1 and R2 rulers are really handy.) If it won't lie flat between the ships, you've got range.

Thanks Jeff.

To confirm, you would say in the first pic, where the orange ruler is touching both ship bases (flat on the table) there is NO shot, no range.

Yes?

5 minutes ago, Makaze said:

Also since no one else has mentioned it, for measuring range, nubs on bases do not count but nubs on bomb templates do count.

I've also run into a couple of people arguing that range must be measured to cardboard and not clear plastic bases, that's wrong, it's plastic base to plastic base.

Thanks Makaze,

For the record, do you go contact to contact ,like the orange ruler in the first pic

or overlap, like the yellow/green ruler?

Orange. Though technically if they are literally just exactly touching it's out I tend to assume that we probably nudged them the 1/100th of a mm it took to get the ruler in there so it was in before we started futzing with it.

34 minutes ago, Makaze said:

Orange. Though technically if they are literally just exactly touching it's out I tend to assume that we probably nudged them the 1/100th of a mm it took to get the ruler in there so it was in before we started futzing with it.

Hmm, that's a bit more of a complicated answer.

Sounds like you would agree with Jeff, and actually rule the first pic out of range. Asume for this example the ships have not been moved due to human error, but are as you see them. Each ships base touching either end of the orange ruler, but the ruler is flat on the table between them.

Would it be fair to say in the case stated above, you would say there is no range, no shot?

If you're able to slide the ruler between them with it flat on the mat, it's out.

43 minutes ago, Echoseven said:

Hmm, that's a bit more of a complicated answer.

Sounds like you would agree with Jeff, and actually rule the first pic out of range. Asume for this example the ships have not been moved due to human error, but are as you see them. Each ships base touching either end of the orange ruler, but the ruler is flat on the table between them.

Would it be fair to say in the case stated above, you would say there is no range, no shot?

I do agree with Jeff. If the ruler lays flat then it's out. But they reality is that this is a very analog game and no matter how careful we are there is always some level of shift. Even with both players pressing down there is some level of give in the neoprene playing surface. So even if it's flat, if it's tight enough that there is no wiggle at all I tend to count it as in. Like Heisenberg taught us, the act of measuring alters the state.

25 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

If you're able to slide the ruler between them with it flat on the mat, it's out.

Thanks hawk32,

To cofirm, you would say contact to contact(with the ruler flat on the mat) is out, as pictured above in the first image, using the orange ruler.

Correct?

4 minutes ago, Echoseven said:

Thanks hawk32,

To cofirm, you would say contact to contact(with the ruler flat on the mat) is out, as pictured above in the first image, using the orange ruler.

Correct?

Yes, just like touching and overlapping are different.

Here’s another way to look at it:

if if you can slide the ruler between the ships (minus the nubs) then the are not in that range. If sliding the ruler between the two makes the ships move, or you encounter resistance, then the are touching.

10 minutes ago, Ccwebb said:

Here’s another way to look at it:

if if you can slide the ruler between the ships (minus the nubs) then the are not in that range. If sliding the ruler between the two makes the ships move, or you encounter resistance, then the are touching.

For instance, in the second example above; you would say the ships are not at range 2, because the range 2 rule fits between them(even though it touches them both), but are at range 3, since that range ruler overlaps both bases.

Correct?

4 hours ago, Echoseven said:

For instance, in the second example above; you would say the ships are not at range 2, because the range 2 rule fits between them(even though it touches them both), but are at range 3, since that range ruler overlaps both bases.

Correct?

Yes. If the ruler is touching both ships, it is a touch. If you were attacking me, I would tell you it’s in range 2.