How would thweek be if you put on him the title and that's it?

25 points for the utility it could have?

Would copying Mirranda ability Quickdraw ability Fenns ability or if your lucky Dengars ability be worth it?

Most thweek builds use him as a ace but what if you change him to a support?

Let's theorise if we come up agaist fenn we get his ability this could stop Mirranda from using a 5 dice modded 'poon attack and soften the blow.

So who would a scum rebel fenn wanna be work well with?? A bumpmaster may not get shredded agaist alpha strike builds as much? What if you created a scum tool box with have inaldra with ion cannon and a bumpmaster and sunny with HLC or have other ships like victor hel with stealth device or Jostero and a Scurgg with Bomblet and trag sim maybe even a quadjumper for tractor beams?

Why do ya reckon could it work?

What about Quickdraw even if this would only happen once it's still another 3 dice attack that could be key? Or even the inquisitors ability would be a 4 dice attack at range 3! What about Rey in arc reroll of blanks! I can imagine there are tones of different combinations. What do you think could it viable? And if at the end of the day no ability are good enough to copy you just become a ace.

Meeeeehhhhhh giving him Autothrusters will mean he can actually live.

There's an argument for him being OK with just title and thrusters.

But honestly, he's pretty mediocre generally, because even with FCS, he's only getting a single green token for attack OR defence, and that's just not much these days.

Thweek is good but not great. Lacking the EPT is necessary for balance but it hurts him a lot because the StarViper isn't an action efficient platform to begin with.

The problem with mimic Thweek is that you never know what will be across the table from you to choose from, and while there are some nice options it is generally better to just shadow for the PS. There are some cool combinations to theorize, but they don't necessarily work out so well on the table.

With my experience so far, I wouldn't run a Starviper without Glitterstim if I can help it because it helps their survivability so much.

10 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Meeeeehhhhhh giving him Autothrusters will mean he can actually live.

There's an argument for him being OK with just title and thrusters.

But honestly, he's pretty mediocre generally, because even with FCS, he's only getting a single green token for attack OR defence, and that's just not much these days.

With Rey's ability he would be rerolling blanks which would make him survive with Poe's ability he has some survivablity as on average you would roll 1 evade 1 focus and 1 blank every time and the focus will change to evade every time. Of course this won't win worlds but could it compete? A 25 point thweek with 3 other scum ships adds a huge amount of diversity and if you can control the opponent with so many tools eg. Stress and ion control you (in theory) should be able to play the game your way.

Has anyone tried to use mimicked in a list and done well?

at 25 points? Well that's a very interesting question, and the possibilities are so endless that--

...huh?

oh, he blanked on his red dice and got one-rounded by a turret

anyway, mimicking isn't really dependent on what pilot you're mimicking but what list you're facing

example, Fenn + Norra + Low. Mimic the **** out of Fenn, because you'll have completely ****** Norra. I also played once against a synched Kanan, who got all his mods from FCS + focus. Thweeked Fenn immediately and went to town.

But Fenn + Miranda + Low? or maul+ezra Ghost with Rau? No one really cares about Fenn Rau's ability

Then there's considerations against individual ships. Against hypermobile turrets like Rey: if you're not moving after her, then you're not shooting her. No two ways about it, turrets are just too easy to fly especially when they ignore debris thanks to kanan (minus that 1/8 crit) and can sloop on a whim after you've moved without getting stressed (also kanan)

finally, QD's ability on only one-shield is far less than impressive. Now, if you manage to run into a Dengar, that's something worth considering (but then you're back to wanting virago FCS thrusters)


in short, don't think about building a list around him. He's a 30/32 (34/35 really, since you'll want a bid) point ace that'll slot in where he can

I usually only put Virago on Thweek if he’s the sole Starviper in my list. I generally feel that someone like Guri or Dalen tends to make better use of the system and illicit slot. So a 27pt Thweek with Autothrusters is a fairly standard Thweek for me. As others mentioned, usually you want to Shadow... But every now and then there’s the opportunity to do something incredible by having him Mimick. Cases like this have been situations such as Jake Farrel, Vader, Protectorate Fighter Fenn, or Countess Ryad. But I also try not to make Thweek my “ace PS” ship regardless, so in those cases I still have something with a high PS.

Honestly though, I have had more luck running Guri ever since the Starviper was released. And Dalen is quickly beginning to grow on me.

1 hour ago, Dengars Toilet Paper said:

With Rey's ability he would be rerolling blanks which would make him survive with Poe's ability he has some survivablity as on average you would roll 1 evade 1 focus and 1 blank every time and the focus will change to evade every time. Of course this won't win worlds but could it compete? A 25 point thweek with 3 other scum ships adds a huge amount of diversity and if you can control the opponent with so many tools eg. Stress and ion control you (in theory) should be able to play the game your way.

Has anyone tried to use mimicked in a list and done well?

If you assume you're getting the best possible ability for him AND the best possible conditions for it, at PS4, then yes, he can be good.

But what do you do when you're up against, say, ghost-fenn, or Miranda/Nym, or basically any meta list that can trivially arc dodge a PS4 small base with a single arc?

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

But what do you do when you're up against, say, ghost-fenn, or Miranda/Nym, or basically any meta list that can trivially arc dodge a PS4 small base with a single arc?

Die. Then go play with some mates who don't play meta ?

Big Rey is meta

Now; If Thweek had access to the tech slot and was able to take advanced optics; this would push him and the other vipers up (a little (possibly))

Vipers with Tech would be ~amazing~

give us a new title; called "termagant" which gives tech instead of system?

Sorry, vipers with Tech AND Virago would be amazing.

Vipers with just Tech and Mk2 would be solid.

am a big fan of options; It's like ice cream

Unfortunately I fear that ship has sailed. We've already got G4H and the opportunity to give the Viper a tech slot is probably gone now. IIRC it might make sense lore wise for them to have a tech slot since it was supposed to be a high tech fighter, but I could be mis-remembering.

**** it would be nice though.

I don't think it's realistic to think it owuld ever get it unless by some miracle it appears in a TFA-era movie.

The tech slot is specifically for TFA-era ships - not even the TFA falcon pilots got it - though wouldn't that have been nice? Might have made the Res Sympathiser a bit more worthwhile.

I mean technically all spaceships are time machines.

But so are humans.

I mean, if FFG really wanted the Vioer to be super neat, they'd roll Virago into its upgrade bar long before they'd gave it tech

Then Virago totals to two systems and illicits

And life would be grand

A pipe dream, to be sure, but it would only require a tiny errata. Give back a bit what you took from the scout and all. Bring the Viper a bit closer to the standard, IE the Silencer

Primed thruster vipers would be ******* gold, though

The TFA falcon should have had a compressor slot that you could bypass.

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

I mean, if FFG really wanted the Vioer to be super neat, they'd roll Virago into its upgrade bar long before they'd gave it tech

Then Virago totals to two systems and illicits

And life would be grand

A pipe dream, to be sure, but it would only require a tiny errata. Give back a bit what you took from the scout and all. Bring the Viper a bit closer to the standard, IE the Silencer

Primed thruster vipers would be ******* gold, though

Two systems and two illicits might just make is top tier. A man can dream. Guri/FCS/Sensor Jammer/Stim/Stim/Intensity/Autothrusters. Yes.

We made some custom rebel pilot cards for our Vipers, to play with at home. Then made them a 'Rebel Tech' title. Added Tech, Astromech and ofc, a 2nd title slot.

Them's some pretty fun cards. They make me happy/sad.