A question about evading

By BigToe, in Talisman Rules Questions

I have a question about Evading - invisibilityspells and so on.

First off, I have the non-revised 4th edition (black industries), with the revised as an expansion. This leads to why I haven't read the rules from the revised edition, until recently when I found them online.

We've always interpreted it as that you can avoid all different types of encounters, but now, looking at these rules, it seems like you can avoid people casting spells on you as well. Is this right to assume?

Like our last game - I cast an Aquisition (spelling?) spell on my mate, but he used Invisibility and avoided my spell. Did we interpret that right?

And in that case - can the Command spell be evaded in the same manner?

Acquisition says that you must cast it before you move, so you can't cast it in a encounter (cvc fight)

No you don't have to encounter each other to use it. But that was my point - we used to interpret evading as something you could do only during encounters, but now we interpreted the rules as to include spells and similar things.

Why would the timing matter? If I land on him, and decide I want to attack, he can still cast the invisibility spell before my attack, why wouldn't he be able to do it when I use a spell?

I'm not trying to argue that he should be able to do it, I'm just sincerely asking because I want to know. gui%C3%B1o.gif

Seems pretty clear from the rules:

"Evading

Characters sometimes have the option to evade creatures and
other characters, such as by casting an Immobility or Invisibility
Spell. The evading character cannot then affect or be
affected by the character or creature in any way.

Only other characters can be evaded in the Inner Region; creatures
from board spaces there cannot be evaded.

Encounters that may be evaded are:

1. Anything that attacks a character.

2. Any character attempting to attack or use a special ability.

3. Creatures that appear as a result of an Event, Place, or
Stranger card (e.g., the Dragon from the Cave Adventure
Card)." (p. 14)

There is no Evading Spells, you have Counterspell and Reflection for those.

Tomas_the_Thief said:

No you don't have to encounter each other to use it. But that was my point - we used to interpret evading as something you could do only during encounters, but now we interpreted the rules as to include spells and similar things.

Why would the timing matter? If I land on him, and decide I want to attack, he can still cast the invisibility spell before my attack, why wouldn't he be able to do it when I use a spell?

I'm not trying to argue that he should be able to do it, I'm just sincerely asking because I want to know. gui%C3%B1o.gif

Both characters have the option to cast a spell.

If you are quicker with casting a spell before he cast a evade spell, then your spell is first.

PS: as far as i know, you can't evade spells that are cast by a character somewhere on the board.

But you can counter it with reflection or counterspell.

Dam said:

Seems pretty clear from the rules:

"Evading

Characters sometimes have the option to evade creatures and
other characters, such as by casting an Immobility or Invisibility
Spell. The evading character cannot then affect or be
affected by the character or creature in any way.

Only other characters can be evaded in the Inner Region; creatures
from board spaces there cannot be evaded.

Encounters that may be evaded are:

1. Anything that attacks a character.

2. Any character attempting to attack or use a special ability.

3. Creatures that appear as a result of an Event, Place, or
Stranger card (e.g., the Dragon from the Cave Adventure
Card)." (p. 14)

There is no Evading Spells, you have Counterspell and Reflection for those.

Ok, thank you. I don't think it's clear from the rules, seeing as it says in one part "The evading character cannot then affect or be affected by the character or creature in any way." Me casting a spell on him is definitely me affecting him in a way, which made us make this interpretation.

However, it was the list below that made me question our interpretation - was it just examples or was it a list of what could be evaded?

Tomas_the_Thief said:

Ok, thank you. I don't think it's clear from the rules, seeing as it says in one part "The evading character cannot then affect or be affected by the character or creature in any way." Me casting a spell on him is definitely me affecting him in a way, which made us make this interpretation.

However, it was the list below that made me question our interpretation - was it just examples or was it a list of what could be evaded?

Those are the RAW occasions when/what you can Evade. Earlier editions (and R4th as an optional) offers the Evading of Unfriendly Individuals (p. 21 in R4th rules IIRC). Still no Evading Spells.

Character casting a Spell on another character isn't you being affected by the casting character, you're being affected by a Spell cast by the other character. A fine, but relevant difference. To be affected by another character as far as Evading goes, that character must encounter your character by landing in the same space and choosing to encounter you (instead of the space).

Thanks. That helped a lot. It didn't affect the game much, since I got to the Crown and won even without first stealing his ring, but it's nice to know those things for future games.